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    Posted: 30-December-2009 at 16:54
I had been thinking of changing soon and I don't want to
downsize and yet with juice prices heading upwards I was
thinking of moving over to the dark side (i.e. tractor
power).
What's the E39 530d like as a daily driver compared to
the 523i?
Power-wise, I think they have a similar enough bhp figure
(170 Vs 190) but the diesel presumably has shedloads more
torque.
I don't measure it but I reckon that I'm getting low 20s
in the mpg stakes (commuting traffic) - what could I
expect from the diesel in this kind of traffic (I know
early 40s are easily achievable on a long run)?
What about servicing - the petrol is easy enough to DIY -
is there much to playing with the diesel (I have worked
on Massey Ferguson & Ford tractors) so I presume not but
just want to be sure.
What about gearbox. Should I do the double cross and move
over to an autobox?
Any other buying info that I should know of (out of the
ordinary E39 stuff)?
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Won't get 40's on an autobox, even on long run - unless you're doing constant 100kph. Drove an auto 523 while my 530d was in for some tlc. The 530d delivers much better performance and much lower fuel consumption. There's much more to go wrong though and none of it is cheap. I've only done 15k in mine since changing from an E36M3 and please for the love of all that is important to you - don't get an auto, i HATE mine and will never get an auto again. They are rare, but manuals are out there, try and source one, you'll be better able to make best use of the 530d's prodegious torque than any auto box can.

On the buying front, the autobox must be smooth on the up change and kickdown, listen for rear subframe bushings clunking on rapic acceleration. Most problems are associated with the diesel supply, 3 pumps and then €300 a piece injectors that are common to go when over 100k. just pumped 2k into mine for injectors and ECU + LCM (not a nice bill to get on Christmas eve....) I get 32-35mpg on cross country and motorway miles. Mid to high 20's in traffic and if driven on, manual would give better mpg than that.

I'm sure the long term owners can shed more light on the subject for you.
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I test drove two auto E39 530d when looking to change from the auto E39 523i.  Bhp wise the oil burner has about 20 bhp more but torque goes from 245Nm to around 400Nm which is a massive increase, which is what does all the work in the acceleration department.

They weren't as dynamically zinggy to drive as the smaller petrol but the acceleration in 2nd gear once in the turbo range is impressive.  The getting off the line is a bit more sluggish.  On a bootfull of throttle from stationary they both sat and farted about before pulling themselves together and hurling you with a load of torque off the line.

Auto wise, they have the proven ZF 5 speed box which will be generally pretty reliable.  You will know how I bang on about getting them serviced.  I reckon you would have more to worry about in the engine than the transmission.

I would have gone for a 530d but the thought of replacing injectors at £300 each and turbos etc at £2,000 just scared me off them. 

If the reliability was there I would have had one as at the time I was doing more miles but I am doing far less nowadays. 

Performance with economy is very attractive but I couldn't get the noise of a diesel Mondeo out of my head when sat at traffic lights in the 530d hearing it idle....like a Massey Fergusson Tractor......Plus I really hate the smell of the fuel and the exhaust fumes.

Servicing will be more as the engine parts are heavier.  The lub oil will be more expensive too and you will need to change it regularly to avoid the turbo bearings failing which then lead to the engine eating bits of turbo.  You will need to do more miles to get the savings in economy to counter act the increase in service costs.

If you are slightly deaf, have a poor sense of smell and do more than 17,000 miles a year, a diesel may be the right car for you.

In my opinion I just can't see the attraction of a diesel....The E60 535d would however be a different story altogether but will cost considerably more than an E39 530d.

Don't get me wrong they are impressive to drive for a diesel but.....

I would be interested to hear what you decide to do.

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My 540s the auto with Sports and tip control and I don't mind it...kind of suits the car espec in traffic....D when I can't be arsed or want to cruise along, S round town and tip for when I want some urgency.

I'm with Andrew on the possible pitfalls of diesel...but dependant on your mileage then could be more cost effective.

A few years ago I had a new E46 320D manual which to be fair was a reasonably decent car, 500 miles to a tankful...my only problem, and it could well have been the engine size, was the relatively small power band...as Andrew noticed..not much before turbo kick in then a kick up the rear then absolutely nothing.

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One thing to bear in mind is that the 3 litre automatics have the troublesome swirl flaps in the inlet manifold. I was told that the manual cars don't have them but that might not be true. Either way it's worth removing them if you buy a car that has them fitted and replacing the crankcase breather assemby as a matter of course.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

One thing to bear in mind is that the 3 litre automatics have the troublesome swirl flaps in the inlet manifold. I was told that the manual cars don't have them but that might not be true. Either way it's worth removing them if you buy a car that has them fitted and replacing the crankcase breather assemby as a matter of course.

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I had a 530d manual,01, sold it afew years ago,to a brother of mine,to be honest i loved it,motor tax cost was d reason i sold it,thought for a while i was missing out on something buy not a having an auto, until i drove an Auto one weekend,didnt like it at all, mpg was great over 40mpg on a long run.My brother still has it, his wife drives it a lot, and to be honest shes a bit heavy on the pedal,and drives country roads a lot, my brother tells me its very hard on balljoints,and track rod ends,and has replaced them a couple of times.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

One thing to bear in mind is that the 3 litre automatics have the troublesome swirl flaps in the inlet manifold. I was told that the manual cars don't have them but that might not be true. Either way it's worth removing them if you buy a car that has them fitted and replacing the crankcase breather assemby as a matter of course.


Total BMW mag have done a feature on changing the swirl flap's. If you have them, then get them out they say. They have also covered the engine breather filter change as part of their latest project car an e39 530d.
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Which issue was that in?
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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Which issue was that in?

Within the last 6 months iirc.  I can probably dig it out at home if you don't have it.

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If you could please D. - no rush as most of the 530d's advertised are bog standard crap whereas if I were to go for one it would need to be a good spec (M-tech, dual climate, leather, etc.) 
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KB - are you saying that BMW's are crap unless they have all the bells and whistles on.....tut tut..!!! 

The car I have now is the first one in about 10yrs with no leather in it and it's lovely in the current weather (even if the bloody car won't heat up !!)

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not at all but I'm just used to my little luxuries!
I am surprised at the lack of high spec 530ds out there - given the size of the engine & the associated tax, I would have resumed the spec would have been much higher!
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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

not at all but I'm just used to my little luxuries!
I am surprised at the lack of high spec 530ds out there - given the size of the engine & the associated tax, I would have resumed the spec would have been much higher!

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Should I expect to see traces of silage or old 10:10:20 bags in the boot then?

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i have had a 530d 2001 193bhp for two years now.its manual.mpg ranges about 42 to 47 and with very light foot 52mpg amazing for 2.9 engine.mate has 528i auto and they have very equal performance after 40 mph.issues i had were turbo 1000euro and fitted myself.inlet manifold replaced which had no swirl flaps.airflow meter.high pressure fuel pump got from brakers 120 euro.general bushings and service.it was king diesel at one time.best car i ever had .they are cheap as chips now but buy with service history.
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How does the performance compare to your 540i then dekra?
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Originally posted by nn_dd nn_dd wrote:

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

not at all but I'm just used to my little luxuries!
I am surprised at the lack of high spec 530ds out there - given the size of the engine & the associated tax, I would have resumed the spec would have been much higher!

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Rep mobiles where the status of a big 5 is more important than the spec

i.e better to buy a base spec 530d than a high spec 330d...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kbannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-January-2010 at 15:44
True Peter but over here with our extortionate tax rates, reps tended to have a 520dor maybe a 520i/523i and the bosses had the 3L motors.
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Originally posted by jetsetwilly2000 jetsetwilly2000 wrote:

How does the performance compare to your 540i then dekra?

 

Err, you can see the 530d in your 540i mirror...

 

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