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redguy
Senior Member II Joined: 06-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Topic: Looking at a 635csi....... Posted: 25-May-2004 at 15:29 |
Bit of a departure from my normal 3-series realm, but here goes! I have been alerted to a 1986 'C' 635csi which is for sale. It has been stored outside, but is taxed and MOT'd until August. The interior just needs some TLC, but the car has 3 rust spots (I think it's the roof, arches,etc) I have only seen it at a distance, so I am relying to my contacts description! It has been fitted with a new set of alloys, however, the clock is at 174k. It is there for around £400 - not knowing much about the six (I run a E36 and E21), and not being made of dosh, would I be foolish to look any further? Are the spares cheap and easy to come by? And how rare or good is the 635? Sorry for the long posting, and may thanks in advance for any pointers in the right direction! |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 18:36 |
Depends on what you're looking for. If all you want is a toy to play around with then £400 isn't much. Probably worth more as spares. As an example, a good one with full history, 60k miles & few worries would be £11k+ from Munich Legends. Pays your money etc. Most mechanical parts are shared with the E28 5-series so are fairly affordable & available. Wings & bodywork are another matter. £450 a wing + painting etc. Corrosion is a major concern. 174k ?? Could be fine but a camshaft is on the cards at 150k+ & a new engine is £2-3k. It's the little things that add up so don't expect to turn it into concours Pebble Beach winner. No depreciation but 18 mpg is to be expected. At the end of the day, how much do you want one? |
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 18:42 |
I just bought one for £450, 1982 reg E28 635 CSi. Nice old beastie, been stored inside for just over 2 yrs. About to go thru MOT and will be back on the road within a couple of weeks.
The way I look at it, you pays your money and you take your chances...
Mine has complete service history and 265k on clock. |
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redguy
Senior Member II Joined: 06-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 19:04 |
This one has a FSH also, which is what interested me!
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 19:23 |
I basically agree with Andy S re. bodywork, but used mechanicals are not big big money. A peek under the rocker cover and a compression test should tell you plenty. I'd be more concerned with the electrics- there are a lot of them and if they go wrong they can be right sods to sort out. Good interior trim parts are difficult to come by, too. I get 22-24mpg on short runs, 28-30mpg on long runs; better than many. Mine is an auto, pulls just 2250rpm at an indicated 80mph; -cruisin' ! I have driven mine 800miles in the last two weeks and enjoyed every moment (except one, when the fuel pump relay contacts let me know they were slightly corroded.....) Yours could be worth the effort, if you have the time and enthusiasm to sort it out. Outer wings, inner wings, footwells, sills, wheel arches all need close scrutiny before purchase and regular doses of waxoyl afterwards; they are basically good solid cars and getting rarer today. Unipart list repair sections for the rear wheel arches and the outer sills, but front wings are problematic. The '86 model 635 IMHO is actually pick of the bunch, as earlier cars are not quite so well sorted, and mid '87 on they are heavier and filled with even more daft gadgets. I would say you get more admiring glances in a well-sorted 6 series than in most other BMWs- they are still a stunning-looking car even today, 28years after they first came out. cheers
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 19:32 |
I think AndyS's prices are a little high on some things. A good six is available for between £4-6k. The best ones in the country are nearer £10+. Wings are exspensive and bodywork and tin worm are the biggest worries on these cars. Mechanically they are very strong and if we are talking about a regular 635 which runs on the old M30 engine these don't wear out and if a replacement is needed a good second hand engine can be had for between £250-500. Most cars at the £400 mark will be spairs cars only, but it could also be a bargain as Goldryder bought for herself. Rust needs to be looked for in the front wings which as andy has mentioned are exspensive. All other body work areas can generally be cut out and a new piece of metal re welded in. However the underneath of the car needs to be checked especially around the the rear axle carrier bushes. If this is no good you are talking about lots od welding which is exspensive. A six can be run on a tight budget, but after a while if neglected it will hurt you finantially. The best way to run one is to have a no exspense spaired attitude towards maintenance. Consequently the car will be more exspensive to run than an e21 or e36 although there is plenty of second hand parts available. Hope this helps and if you have any more questions send me a PM If the car has a solid undercarriage and a bit of rust on the body it sounds a very good price. Worry about these things rather than mechanicals. Do bear in mind that a new exhaust is around the £500 mark genuine and about the same for a stainless system. However you real cost of buying a car like this will be at least 2k after you have sorted the little things that are wrong with the car. Also bear in mind that even the best six will need work done to it. If you love the car and want to keep it then thats not a problem, but if you want the car as an investment you will be very unlikely to recover your money. Edited by Sohlman |
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 19:47 |
There is a pic of my car on the 'Well what can I say' thread...she is a bit tired, but not as bad as the one I spotted a couple of days ago that was younger than mine and was about to fall apart.
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redguy
Senior Member II Joined: 06-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Posted: 25-May-2004 at 20:16 |
Just like to say a big thanks to everybody for their valued contributions. I am having a little look tomorrow, and will arrange something more in depth if I like what I see. I will keep you informed now I have a better idea of what to look for! Thanks again! |
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Sohlman
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Posted: 25-May-2004 at 23:50 |
Have seen the picture of your car goldryder. Seems the front spoiler is unpainted. Makes the car look very different. It's definantly a series two and i look forwards to seeing it soon.
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redguy
Senior Member II Joined: 06-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Posted: 26-May-2004 at 13:16 |
Went to see the car for a more in depth look today, and I wasn't that impressed. The passenger side wing was you could almost remove by pulling it, and there was a very nasty rusty lump affecting the roof, must have been a few inches at least - probably not easy to repair. Apparantly it has had a new auto box fitted recently, as well as a new set of M-style alloys on low profile tyres, which I liked. It must have been outside for a while as the black paint of the car was terribly faded. The leather interior was well used, but looked as if it could be restored with elbow grease! I have got the owners number, so I'll think further. I was wondering if it was worth buying for the alloys alone!
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Dan Stevens
Newbie Joined: 11-May-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Posted: 26-May-2004 at 14:02 |
If the rust is that bad, and the wing was actually falling off, don't bother unless you're a demon welder and/or you've got cash to spend on having it repaired. In which case, it's probably a good buy if the FSH thing is genuine.
There are enough good ones out there that don't need work to make the rusty ones not really worht bothering with, unless you're keen! Cheers Dan |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 26-May-2004 at 14:49 |
If the inner wing is not rusted and the only other rust is the roof then the car will be able to be fixed up although a new wing will be £400 + fitting and the roof will require the headlining to be removed from the car and will be another £200+ then the changed /damaged panels will need to be resprayed. If the leather is not ripped you will be suprised how much it will clean up. Where is the car as i can have a look at it if it's close to me. Send me a PM. James |
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redguy
Senior Member II Joined: 06-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Posted: 26-May-2004 at 15:12 |
The car is in New Ronmey in Kent, currently in somebody's drive! It is his son's car.
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 26-May-2004 at 18:27 |
The front spoiler and bottom third of the sides is painted gloss black with Polaris silver over on my beastie. I am waiting for it to return from 4 patches of welding, about 2" across each, near the jack points and retest. One road then 2nd week of June |
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Horsetan
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Posted: 26-May-2004 at 23:27 |
You might be interested in my friend's "Highline" which has come up on e-Bay:
You can view the full details of the car HERE I have driven it myself, and can say that it's a well-kept example. I just can't afford to buy a second Six. However, it would be nice for it to be bought by a Forum and / or BMW Car Club member. Lombardo has put a reserve on it, but there's nothing stopping you having a tilt at owning it! ...and here's another view of it here, next to mine: UPDATE: Have spoken to Lombardo, and he tells me that the e-Bay reserve price is £3900, if anyone's interested... Edited by Horsetan |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 29-May-2004 at 11:41 |
I've heard fuel consumption quotes like yours but I'm only getting 16mpg! I'm sure my six is running rich. My daily drive is about 6 miles to work, 4 miles of which is dual carriageway. On a longer run it tops 20-22mpg. Exhaust is pretty black & when I pulled the plugs they were really sooty. |
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Sohlman
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Posted: 29-May-2004 at 23:55 |
I get 18-22mpg round town and 25-28mpg on the motorway. 16 is very poor. Your car is overfueling. I would get an emissions test and see what you are doing, but i suspect you will be over the MOT levels. Your mixture setting on the AFM and idle control valve will be out. Aternatively your AFM could be shot. I have a spare one if you need one.
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 30-May-2004 at 14:05 |
The throttle body & idle control valve were stripped & cleaned 6 months/3500 miles ago so they should be ok. It passed it's mot then too. The car starts & drives fine though idle is a bit lumpy & the car tries to surge a bit when it's stone cold. I think a faulty AFM would show up in normal driving (I hope!). Think I'll try a local six series specialist I've heard good reports about. It's Jon Morgan in South Shields. One of the guys on this site was going to try him. Can't remember who??? |
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Sohlman
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Posted: 30-May-2004 at 18:48 |
I stripped and cleaned my AFM every 6k for 5 years and it would slowly start to run richer and richer. On replacement of the AFM the problem has been solved. Whilst is will work, if the buterfly is worn it will never run as well as a new AFM.
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 30-May-2004 at 19:51 |
if your car is using fuel at that rate, you need to check out both the AFM potentiometer and the throttle angle potentiometer. Both should be smooth and progressive, without any glitches in them. The throttle angle pot is a killer- a rough spot translates to the Bosch DME system as 'full throttle, NOW!' and this will definitely increase your fuel consumption..... There are posts on BCG (I think) re stripping out and overhauling the AFM potentiometer. With the throttle angle one you may just have to replace it. There is NO POINT in having your car 'tuned' or adjusted if either of these items is up the spout.... The 5 series Haynes manual and a multimeter is all you need to test both items. hope this helps cheers
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