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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-June-2004 at 17:27
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...After spending time in other countries I am convinced that this is simply something endemic within the UK



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-June-2004 at 18:32

Hi Jkyle 69.What a sad reflection on the EXPERTISE of the Auto service world 04.I had 2 CSL,s from 72 - 95.Engine wise, its a Bog standard 3-Litre engine, never had ONE moments prob, with the service of.

Panels ???????, Ali bonnet, boot and Door skins.doors bubbled, had them treated with the steel frame / Ali barrier membrane, lasted 20 + yrs.

So easy to say!!!, BUT--you find the Biz craftsman, and you stay with them 4 Life!!!.take a day off, visit JayMic and have a chat. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-June-2004 at 18:36
I have to get the car there first, I will take it at the car's earliest convenience perhaps i.e. when it decides to start
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 00:25
Funny that it all comes full circle in the end, back to the starting problem. I have only just read through the topic, but found a few things notable.

First: the mechanics of a CSL or any E9 are very straightforward, so that you don't need a specialist for that. Engine, gearbox, suspension and brakes were all used in the 5-, 6- and 7-series cars, most (local) reputable garages can deal with those. There is also nothoing special about the bodies of the CS/I/L, except the bonnet, bootlid and doorskins of the CSL of course, any decent panel beater can repair, weld or replace parts. The problem comes with sourcing of parts, and this is where companies like ML, Linwar and Jaymic built their reputations on. Walloth & Nesch stick to providing new parts, but the abovementioned British firms thought that there was much more money to be made by suggesting to all and sundry that it is extremely important to use them also to fit the parts and service cars. Hey presto, everybody started to believe this, and it becomes true.

Second: It is interesting to see that all respondents have used ML or Jaymic at some point or still do. This perpetuates the myth. As long as we enthusiasts think that we need an opinion from somebody who claims to be an expert, they keep making money at our expense. And as long as we enthusiasts are willing to pay the prices we will keep them in business.

I am in Sussex, I am currently restoring a genuine Batmobile, I have had three other CSL's and use only local companies. As one of the members suggested, look in the yellow pages and find a garage that specilizes in fuel injection. The idea that you need a BMW specialist is a load of bollocks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 00:34

Hi

Just going through the history of my CSL and in 1982 bmw were called out to it 5 times in a 4 week period and taken into the local bmw main dealers to have the fault rectified. The bill for doing this was to replace voltage regulator and it seems to have fixed the problem (the history file shows no more call outs until 1987).

may not help but it is described on the bill from the main dealer as rectify intermitent starting fault, supply and fix one new voltage regulator .

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 10:05
Thanks for that - I will take it to a fuel ignition specialist and get the voltage regulator sorted out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 11:03
Originally posted by 30CSL 30CSL wrote:

...The idea that you need a BMW specialist is a load of bollocks.


Never a truer word uttered in jest....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 18:23
Originally posted by jkyle69 jkyle69 wrote:

The only thing I resented from the comments by ML was one talking to my fiance in a patronising manner about cars (she is one of the country's very few female owner/drivers of a TVR Tuscan - so thought that was a bit rich);

Ownership of a TVR (or any other car) does not automatically bestow superior knowledge or taste (whatever your sex), just that you have the money to buy it.

On the ML front, I bought my 635 from them because of their reputation & knowledge. I haven't been disappointed. I don't believe they would rubbish your car just because you didn't buy from them.

As for main  dealer v specialist - specialists (even ML) are cheaper & when was the last time your main dealer saw a 635/CSL?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 23:03
Back to the starting problem. According to my mechanic, for poor starting first check the two temperature sensors fitted just underneath the inlet manifold. Why there are two God only knows, but apparently the Bosch tuning guide recommends that you actually remove one, the one that points forward. It improves starting, idle running and overall performance if you have just the back one connected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-June-2004 at 23:12

-having had a squint under the bonnet of John's CSL at Newlands, I reckon it may not be that simple- he has a later thermostat housing, and things are not quite standard in there, certainly not position-wise anyway.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-June-2004 at 17:46
re: Your accusations at Main dealer prices.

Smart is a sub group of Merc. Hence you go to a Merc dealers. Merc hourly rate is anything from £85-125 p hour. Depending on location. Average tech will get £10 ish p/ h (some up to £15 ish) The fact is you arent paying for the time, but for the facilities. Average Premium Dealership will cost near £7M in build and startup. Most businesses try and recoup this VERY quickly. Like 3-5 years quickly!

You're indirectly paying for the free courtesy car, the coffee machine, the tiled floor and the double glazed floor to ceiling windows. Oh and the 10-15 or so "non-productive" staff (Service Advisors, Drivers, Invoice Clerks etc etc)

Somebody like ML, which have a very tatty building simply dont need to have it. I would guess that 90% of the business is either repeat or word or mouth. Says something for their reputation in the world of Performance BMs doesnt it. (Whether its deserved or not!)

I certainly wouldn't take an older car to a main agent, simply because its highly unlikely they have the staff there will be experienced enough to know. Technician turnover in Main agents brand to brand is very high. If, like yourself, you have a re-occuring fault thats difficult to diagnose, it might just be worth going to a specialist. But for more run of the mill stuff, any performance car specialist/DECENT one man band operation, will normally suffice.

Thats my ramblings anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-June-2004 at 19:21

 of some of those comments,the £7 million dealership, are  NOT the place to go.If the Computer has a prob with a 4 year - 3 series, the older models are Pre-historic----Forget it. WWW is the alternative to find the  Independents, who must give a good service, to survive.

The complexity of to-days Electronic everythings, not asked for by US, but the makers of the cars, have caused the probs, which WE Must pay for. Audi-have 36 Electric motors in a model, what chance do we have to afford such stupidity, Hence on the secondhand market, it will be , BUY one-get a 5 year old FREE.This is Progress???????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-June-2004 at 17:45
Rich, I could not agree more.
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