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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 16:29
Originally posted by oilman oilman wrote:

Ian,

For M3 1992-95 and 1995-99

All year round.

The recommended oil is 5w-40 Fully Syn CCMC G5

Would recommend: (all BMW approved)

Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 5w-40 Fully Synthetic

Siklolene PRO S 5w-40 Ester Fully Synthetic

Total Quartz 9000 5w-40 Fully Synthetic

I sell Castrol RS 10w-60 but it is very heavy being a 60, even hot-running engines do not need SAE 60 oil these days. (120-130C). SAE 60 is heavier than most SAE 90 gear oils. If an oil is too thick, it de-aerates slowly, leading to cavitation in the oil pump, or the bearings being fed slugs of air along with the oil.

Your handbook will give the recommended viscosity and I would confidently say that 10w-60 will not be mentioned.

Hope this helps

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How much would you be able to supply the Silkolene PRO S 5w-40 Ester Fully Synthetic for ?

I'm due a service very soon, and would like to give it a try if it's not silly money. For the record, I don't use the 10w60 Castrol, but the 0w40 Castrol RS (Halfords again )

I don't actually have a handbook for the car/engine, as the engine is fitted in an E30 325i chassis

Feel free to PM me the price if you don't wish to post on the forum.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 16:18
Originally posted by oilman oilman wrote:

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Ahhhhh a man talking my language who uses the best!


They also help to prevent hardening and cracking of oil seals at high temperatures.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>


This is in essence what Magnatec pretends to be but is not. The process is called electrosyntec as patented by Silkolene.


Hope this helps


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So does Mobil 1 contain these esters as I bought a Rover Coupe Turbo with 35K miles and it had very slight weaps of oil from some gaskets (cam cover etc) I presume as it had Full Rover history and they use Castrol Magnetec had been used previously. then I used Mobil from then on and the engine 'dried up' from leaks and was still leak free when I sold it at 94K miles.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 16:03

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Ahhhhh a man talking my language who uses the best!

Esters, yes the best but very specialist and not used by very many manufacturers these days due to cost. Silkolene is an exception because of their excellent range of bike oils.

The Silkolene PRO S and PRO R range are IMHO the best you can buy for your money but, I hear you all asking........

WHY ARE ESTERS SO GOOD?

 

They assist the additive pack in a motor oil formulation because they are surface-active (electrostatically attracted to metal surfaces), so they help to reduce wear and friction.

 

They are fluid at very low temperatures and at high temperatures they are very chemically stable and have low volatility (don’t evaporate away).

 

They also help to prevent hardening and cracking of oil seals at high temperatures.

This is in essence what Magnatec pretends to be but is not. The process is called electrosyntec as patented by Silkolene.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:55

Ian,

For M3 1992-95 and 1995-99

All year round.

The recommended oil is 5w-40 Fully Syn CCMC G5

Would recommend: (all BMW approved)

Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 5w-40 Fully Synthetic

Siklolene PRO S 5w-40 Ester Fully Synthetic

Total Quartz 9000 5w-40 Fully Synthetic

I sell Castrol RS 10w-60 but it is very heavy being a 60, even hot-running engines do not need SAE 60 oil these days. (120-130C). SAE 60 is heavier than most SAE 90 gear oils. If an oil is too thick, it de-aerates slowly, leading to cavitation in the oil pump, or the bearings being fed slugs of air along with the oil.

Your handbook will give the recommended viscosity and I would confidently say that 10w-60 will not be mentioned.

Hope this helps

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:50
I use Mobil 1 5W 40 Synergy <- (I think thats what it says from memory - the supposedly new blend stuff). I buy this from France when I visit as it is cheaper (about Ł20), but how come I haven't seen it in the UK. The Mobil I have seen here is normally 0W 40 and the 15W 50 Motorsport stuff.

I understand this is fine for my car (58K miles 328) but curious as to why this vicosity isn't available in the UK - I know some countries sell different viscosities depending on their ambient temp, but surely France isn't any different in climate temp.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:39
I'm currently using the Silkolene Pro R 15w50 in my M5, but I can't get used to the red colour of the oil!

After 142k miles it is still going strong - although I do give it a good few miles at low revs to get the oil up to a reasonable temperature.

BTW the oil is changed every 3000-4000 miles!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:36

Howard,

I don't understand your dealers comments as the recommended oil has to DEXRON II which is certainly available.

Perhaps you could email me what it says in the handbook and I'll investigate further for you, I'll guarantee we have an oil for you.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:33

Peter,

By shed grades I mean oils only available there (Halfords Own etc) which are blended by the major oil companies to meet a specification say 10w-40 semi synthetic API SJ/SL but are made to a budget.

Quality additives like Viscosity improvers, detergents, dispersants, antiwear agents, friction modifiers, pour-point depressants, antioxidants, foam inhibitors and corrosion inhibitors are expensive and savings have to be made when working to a budget.

Ever bought paint in B&Q with Dulux on the can and then realised that it only covers half the area of the real thing from your local Dulux Trade Centre? It's never half the price of the real thing though usually 75%!

Mobil 1 is a good oil, I sell it but are we talking about 0w-40?

The recommended grades depend on whether you are looking for a Longlife oil (BMW LL) or you are changing your oil on a more frequent basis. 

The recommended range is very wide 0w-30 (LL01), 0w-40 (LL01), 5w-40 and 10w-40.

Other than the 10w-40, all others are Fully synthetics.

To make a simplistic comment about these oils, they could be used as follows:

0w's (LL01) Fully synthetic oils which have longer drain periods but are the most expensive (if your draining the oil in less than 6000 miles, you are wasting money)

5w-40 Fully synthetic oils that give better cold start protection than 10w because they circulate better being thinner 5w instead of 10w and will give a better protection when hot as a good Fully synthetic oils will be more resilliant to thinning down at high temperatures.

If good viscosity improvers are used in the formulation the oil will resist shearing and breaking down better.

10w-40 Semi-synthetic is good value for money and if drained at shorter intervals will be perfectly fine in your engine. You need to weigh up the costs/benefits based on your mileage and the way you drive the car.

Synthetic oils are without a doubt better, even in older cars as they last longer at high temperaures without "thinning down" and flow better at lower temperatures (cold starts) when around 70+ percent of the engine wear occurrs. Ester synthetics are the best as I will explain in another post.

As regards to value, you need to compare what I have said to a price list and you'll need to email me for one sales@opieoils.co.uk.

Hope this helps

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Simon

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 15:17

Simon,

What oil would you recommend for the E36 M3 3.2 Evo engine ?

I believe BMW currently specify 10w60 Castrol TWS, but this is very hard to find outside of the dealer network. Is this much different to Castrol RS 10w60 ?

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The oil recomended by BMW for the gearbox of my 1989 M635 CSi is Mobil SHC 630. My local dealer says that this is no longer available.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 14:46

Simon,

I have a few questions.

1) What do you mean by "Shed" grade oil.

2) I currently use Mobil 1 in my BMW 328. What do you think of this oil and would you recommend it for my car which has done 100k.

3) I used standard mineral oil in my previous cars, Castrol GTX. Would I have seen any benefits from using a proper synthetic instead bearing in mind I have never owned a car with less than 70K on the clock.

4) What in your opinion is the best reasonably priced oil availible.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-June-2004 at 14:26

Thanks for the introduction Howard.

A much debated and complicated issue is the quality of oils but, let me assure you...........You always get what you pay for!

Food for thought!

Below is an article written by John Rowland, Silkolene/Fuchs Chief R & D Chemist for 40 years.

 

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Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils. The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, from a chemists point of view. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked”. These have some advantages over equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 or other oils with a low “W” rating such as 5w-50 etc and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions. We use several different grades of this base oil, where appropriate. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”. Yes it’s a cruel world, you get what you pay for!

 

Now, you may ask, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”? Well, it was all sorted in a legal battle that took place in the USA about ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”. Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included a few percent of “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

 

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics!

 

The economics are very simple. If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case. But, if you drive a high performance car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil, such as PRO S or PRO R. This oil costs more money to buy, because it costs us a lot of money to make, very simply, you always get what you pay for!

 

Unquote:

 

This article is something that all car owners should read and understand before buying oil and I’ve posted this with Johns kind permission.

Cheers,

Simon Barnard

 

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Here is a note from Simon Barnard -

Dear Member,

My name is Simon Barnard and I own an oil distribution business in the South West.

I have been invited by the BMW Car Club GB Committee to run an “Oil Advice and Recommendations” service for your Club, which is a registered Member of our Clubs Oil Scheme for which this is a FREE service.

We deliver all oils by AMTRAK “overnight” service anywhere in mainland UK.

I have not posted this topic to advertise my Company and will be publishing no prices here on the General Forum. Prices can be obtained by email.

I'm here to answer questions, give advice and recommendations to the Members of this Club. I accept that everyone knows everything there is to know about oil, and the best oils to use in their cars, so it may fall on deaf ears, but most Clubs find my services and prices a benefit to their Members.

Hopefully I can at least expose some of the myths and give sound "technical" advice.

I would like to point out that, I sell Castrol, Mobil, Silkolene, Fuchs and Total Oils and have no particular loyalty to one brand (Customers buy what they are comfortable with) however, I normally recommend oils based on the following criteria:

1) Technical Specifications

2) Quality compared to others of the same performance

3) Price comparisons (VFM)

Naturally, I have my favourites, but this is based on quality and performance and whether I would use them myself in my cars.

Many of the oils I sell are not available in the shops or the sheds but are specialist oils only available through Authorised Distributors like myself (e.g. I don't sell Magnatec as it's a "shed" grade but I do to supply Castrol Performance 10w-40 semi-syn not available in the shops).

On a public forum there are drawbacks, especially if the product is made by a supplier of mine so I may "duck" some questions and reply to you personally by PM.

My opinions are frank but based on facts so I'll apologise in advance if I upset anyone. I will ALWAYS give you the "best advice", but you don't have to take it.

I look forward to being of service to BMW Car Club GB Members and Forum users.

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