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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-February-2005 at 08:11
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:


It's not always easy to find the time or space to practice, the roads are so busy these days that there's seldom room.



You can practice it anywhere - I'd just advise not doing in traffic!

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the theory is that while changing down and braking you simultaneously blip the throttle in a attempt to match the engine speed to the gear you are selecting. This is done by swivelling the foot that is on the brake pedal so that your to can also press the accelerator. Any tips would be appreciated because when I try I normally end up reving the nuts of the car or my foot slips of the pedals.



Yep, that's it. You can do it two ways, put the ball of your foot on the brake pedal as normal, then pivot on this so that your heel is over the accelerator. I think this is best if you have small feet.

For me, I overlap both pedals with the top of my foot. When I want to blip the accelerator, I rock my foot over so that it contacts it.

Don't worry about over revving it, once you have gotten used to the motion, you will control it better. It took me over a year to become comfortable with it. On my last Better Driving Day, my instructor noted that I was reducing my braking when heel & toeing - so I have still some learning to do!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-February-2005 at 08:18

Heel & toeing is basically double-declutching whilst braking.


Until you're proficient it will generally get you into more trouble than the recognised procedure which is:-



  1. brake to appropriate speed

  2. select appropriate gear for corner & speed

  3. turn corner.

Most people try to do all three steps at the same time & wonder why it all goes wrong!


The main purpose of heel & toeing is to ******** that you're a very talented driver in a fast car.


When my wife was looking for a new car I showed her the Autocar road test of the Skoda Fabia which they derided for being difficult to heel & toe !!! As if the average Fabia buyer would even know what it was let alone use it. Pretentious or what!!!


Practising road placement & learning to read the road ahead will be more beneficial.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-February-2005 at 18:29
Originally posted by AndyS AndyS wrote:

Until you're proficient it will
generally get you into more trouble than the recognised
procedure


I agree - never change gear round a corner! Save all the
messing about with straight line speed for straight
lines.

Heel-n-toeing (i.e. blipping on the downchange
while braking) is normally great for quick down-changes,
but in snow you don't really need that so much.

The key is smoothness, smoothness and more smoothness,
so while getting the lever moving fast between gears is
not priority (in itself) here, tranferring the new
engine load smoothly to the wheels IS. Match the revs
for the new gear and use the clutch gingerly, the clutch
is basically your friend in snow, it lets all the wheels
be completely neutral and just rotate freely. This
leaves ALL the grip for steering, rather than just the
left-overs when the wheel is trying to brake or
accelerate (due to gear change or throttle change).   

The analogy is having £10 and the choice of buying
steering or acceleration/deceleration. There is £20 of
each for sale, so for instance you can have 5 of each or
10 of just one. If you try to spend more than £10 you go
bust and something breaks!

'course when it's dry you've got £100's to spend ;)

Love the cars Andy, they look really very nice indeed!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-February-2005 at 03:17

Originally posted by neileg neileg wrote:

Hi Nick DE. I was over in Germany in December, as far east as Dresden. The big difference between Germany and the UK is the temperature. I loved the ice frosted trees. We get those in the UK but only one or two at a time. In Bavaria I saw about 250km of white trees! It's seriously cold, I guess about 10Celcius colder. we complain about the cold in the UK, but it's nothing like mid-European cold.

Yup, but we don't get so much of that in Rhein-Neckar-Kreis. The upper Rhine valley has it's own climate, making it a good wine growing area. And ideal Cabrio country

But we are having a cold spell now. Minus 10C at night, plus 2C in the afternoon. The drive to work yesterday was beautiful. The roads were bone dry, the fields were covered in snow, everything was blanketed in a thick white fog except for the roads (heat from cars ?) - everything was very peaceful. Plus, because of my winter tyres I had 100 Euros to buy acceleration or steering, not 10 Pounds

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