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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Topic: E34 Wheel Vibration Posted: 18-May-2003 at 22:59 |
Hi Guys, I'm new here but was wondering if any of you could shed some light on a problem I have with my 1995 E34 525i. Here goes; I've just upgraded from the standard 15" crossspoke design wheels to new 17" E39 style "49" 5 spokes, which are shod with Dunlop SP9000 235/45 ZR17 tyres. Since then the car has developed wheel vibration (quite bad at times)from both front & back at app. 60-85mph. However having said that it isn't constant, but seems to be cyclical and come and go over a 2 minute period while running at say 80mph. As a result of this I've had the wheels balanced several times, tried a friends 17" BBS wheels, but the problem still occured. In a moment of desparation, I switched back to the original 15" and all was well again?? Has anyone else had experience of this when upgrading to 17" Looking forward to your replies, Mark. |
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HantsBMW
Newbie Joined: 28-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: 19-May-2003 at 16:56 |
Does it vary with road surface/conditions? 17" wheels will give you a harder ride, and any road imperfections will be much more apparent. There is a section of the M27 I travel along which will always cause a rumble/vibration over a fixed speed range, symptoms just like the wheels being unbalanced .... I have now had 3 different cars that have all had the same symptoms along this stetch of road! This has caused umpteen rebalances and annoyed tyre fitters till I realised that it must be the road! Hope this helps
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 19-May-2003 at 20:41 |
Hi Andy, Thanks for the reply. Yes it does vary with the road surface, however stupid as it seems, it appears worse on smoother tarmac roads/motorways. Its really quite severe at some speeds, and have decided to resort back to the 15" OE wheels - after all BMW designed it that way! Cheers, Mark |
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PHH-525iSport
Newbie Joined: 27-April-2003 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 7 |
Posted: 20-May-2003 at 19:59 |
Hi Mark Just got round top reading your note. A mate of mine has recently bought a set of 17" wheels and got a very severe vibration through the car. He got the wheels balanced a number of times and the problem was found to be caused by not having the nylon inserts in the wheels. The insert sits on the hub and it's a bit like a spacer and they should have come with the wheels but they don't always as in my mate's case. Hope thats some help Paul
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mmm-five
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-January-2003 Status: Offline Points: 343 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 09:20 |
Paul, do you mean the hub-centric spacer? If you don't have that fitted it will cause some very bad vibration, and possible damage to the wheel. |
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ajbm325ic
Groupie Joined: 17-January-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 78 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 11:31 |
I have same problem with BK171 17" Alpina replicas on E30 cab. I have always had the green nylon spacers fitted and have always experienced some kind of vibration problem. Although I like the look of the 17's I am finally going back to the original 15" BBS as I can't stand the body or steering wheel vibrating any longer. Apparantly metal spacers sort out this problem. 4 X BK171 for sale with almost new 215/40/17 tyres! |
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thegooseman
Newbie Joined: 30-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 20:19 |
Hub-centric spacers are essential. Some aftermarket wheel SPECIALISTS do neglect to fit them. I had some 15' MiMs put on my old E30 by Elite Autos in Rainham and they didn't fit the spacers. Consequently, even after having them balanced several times I still got severe steering vibration. After I fitted the spacers myself it completely illiminated the problem. Its simple to check if they are fitted, just remove your wheel and look either on the hub or inside the mating surface of the wheel dish. The spacers are normally made of nylon/plasticcy stuff, usually brown. They are simply a push in fit. |
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Wonkydog
Senior Member II Joined: 29-January-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 196 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 20:44 |
I had the same problem with my 525 after fitting bigger alloys, didn't bother me that much. But I have heard a story about the problem being caused by too much slack in the power steering? apparently there is an adjustment nut on the power steering rack/box that has to be set up correctly. Incorrect set up will give wheel wobble, anyone else heard the same?
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 22:58 |
Thanks for your suggestions guys, Just one thing of note, I've tried a couple of other sets of both 16" & 17" E39 OE wheels on the car(E34), but have always got the same vibration. Could this be because the centre bore of the E39 wheels is slightly bigger than that of the E34 (think I remember reading this somewhere), and hence the wheel is relying entirely on the bolts to perfectly centre it? Feel like I might be getting somewhere now! Thanks, Mark
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 23:03 |
Hi Guys, ..thought I was right about the centre bore of the E39 wheels, check out this link: http://www.tyresave.co.uk/fitment.html#BMW_ Mark.
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 21-May-2003 at 23:33 |
Amit325i
Newbie Joined: 08-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 22-May-2003 at 01:52 |
definately some of you guys are using wrong offsets even if the stud pattern is the same! plus don't forget wider tyres cause all kinds of weird stuff, plus other things which can and should be investigated like suspension set up, all steering components check inc bushes which cause alot of uncertain steering and some vibrations when they perish! |
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mmm-five
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-January-2003 Status: Offline Points: 343 |
Posted: 22-May-2003 at 09:35 |
Quote: Originally posted by Mark525 on 21-May-2003
Yes the centre hole is bigger on the E39, that is why you need the hub-centric spacer (more like a collar) to fit the E34 hub and fill the gap. You can get even E39 M5 alloys to fit the E34, but you will still need the spacer. |
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 22-May-2003 at 14:01 |
Hi mmm-5, Any idea where I can get some of these spacers, that will reduce the centre bore of the E39 wheels to that of the E34?
Cheers, Mark.
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mmm-five
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-January-2003 Status: Offline Points: 343 |
Posted: 22-May-2003 at 17:39 |
You could try Motorsport Wheels on Tel: 01375 489500
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GeraldO
Newbie Joined: 22-November-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Posted: 18-June-2003 at 21:42 |
How about this then - I have an 525 1995 E34 which wobbled when I bought it (I haggled) with 18" wheels. I changed the wheels to standard, changed the discs, calipers,brake servo and eventually the wheels and it still wobbles! I have had the tyres changed, wheels balanced at least a dozen times, had the tracking checked, wheel bearings changed and it still wobbles. Exactly like you say, at 60-80 on smooth motorways with no camber. If its rough it goes away. Under braking it judders but only sometimes. At 90 its scary. Any thoughts on shocks / power steering etc?? I am close to tears |
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Mark525
Newbie Joined: 18-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 18-June-2003 at 22:42 |
Hi Geraldo, Have you checked the front bottom suspension bushes? As the E34 is quite a heavy car, its quite hard on these. From memory, its the blue bushes that fit into the sub frame that are the main culprits so I'm told by my local specialist. Hope this helps, Mark.
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