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Bryce wrote: I drive most days, sometimes in a car, somtimes abike and sometimes in a fire appliance, every single day I see more people do stupid things than do good things!  So I don't want those people going any faster!

Tell you what, Bryce, let's introduce a 20MPH nationwide speed limit on all roads. Then we can all ride on horseback again, and re-introduce the covered wagon. The canals will come back to life as we use them to transport goods around the country, and rail can reclaim its rightful place as the fast means of transport. We can also ban intra-UK flights, because planes are dangerous and fast as well.

Welcome to transport in the 21st century.

spokey wrote: livvy wrote: I would say again it means that you have moved over a line from a legal speed to an illegal one. It means nothing more in the abscence of any other evidence. Driving at 70mph doesn't infer that you are a safe driver anymore than driving at 71 infers you are a dangerous one. But if I'm driving illegally, then it doesn't matter whether I'm dangerous or safe. If I'm in excess of the (ludicrously outdated) speed limit, then I must, per se, be driving dangerously. Or are you saying that a person can safely drive at speeds greater than the UK national speed limit? If that is the case, then why is there an emphasis on speed to the exclusion of everything else whenever I hear anything about road safety?

When you are prosecuted for speeding there is no requiremnt to show danger. It is not being alleged that what you were doing at that time was dangerous. If what you were doing at the time was dangerous then the charge would be dangerous driving.

With speeding it is that you went beyond the legal limit, no more no less. You can be prosecuted for dangerous driving at speeds above or below the limit, but it won't be based on the speed alone.

It can be safe to drive at speeds above our speed limits where the conditions permit, but without an exemption it is not legal to. As I have explained many times the limit is a preventative measure.

The view that road safety is about speed to the exclusion of all else is yours, not mine.
The dumbing down with speed is used to cater for other inadequacies, but people are dealt with for many other offences, which if you care to check court records you would be able to see.


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spokey wrote: livvy wrote: When you are prosecuted for speeding there is no requiremnt to show danger. It is not being alleged that what you were doing at that time was dangerous. But if it's not dangerous, why is it illegal?

To prevent potential danger.

Just like wearing your seatbelt is , just like having to wear a crash helmet is, just like not using your phone while driving is.


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livvy wrote: spokey wrote: livvy wrote: When you are prosecuted for speeding there is no requiremnt to show danger. It is not being alleged that what you were doing at that time was dangerous. But if it's not dangerous, why is it illegal? To prevent potential danger. Just like wearing your seatbelt is , just like having to wear a crash helmet is, just like not using your phone while driving is.

I have been reading this discussion with much interest.

I agree with Livvy.  The state must control the population using whatever means are at it's disposal.  Nothing is more important than the state; no individual or group shall be allowed any form of control.  Severe social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition to the government must be implemented at all times. 

Zero tolerance of seemingly minor infringements such as speeding must be enforced if we are to maintain effective control of the populace.

Spokey, there are many people in the IAM, I have heard this critism before.

Some of you will not like me, some of you will, if you don't like one observer, they'll find you another.

I can understand people not liking the image of the IAM, I'm not overly keen on some of it, but I can't change it from the outside, there are also people from within who want the more performance orientated like me removed !

Although many of you don't like limits etc, they are what we have now.......

How can we improve things ?

Spokey seems to think adbanced driving is the way, I do too, any others ?

So if the IAM bothers you, and you think advanced driving is a possible alternative to the technology being talked about, how about this crew ?

http://www.roada.org.uk/

I only suggest the IAM as I'm in it, and they are campaigning ( at last ) for the motorist

Have a word with your local group Rhys, when your ready, they will normally do everything they can to accomodate someone, and are well aware there aren't that many left doing 9 -5 mon - fri etc.