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Shem
Groupie Joined: 04-November-2005 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Topic: Replacing exhaust manifold gasket Posted: 29-November-2005 at 08:50 |
I need to replace the Exhaust Manifold Gasket on my '88 highline as it is blowing but I've been turned down buy two mechanics! Apparently the head studs can snap off and replacement means removing the head to drill them out. Does anyone have experience on how likely this is to occur? I'm getting worried about an apparently simple job. thanks |
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Drew21
Groupie Joined: 14-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 09:20 |
when removing the head of a scrap 735 (same engine, different manifold) I snapped 3 out of ?12? (I think) bolts. I wasn't being too gentle but I did use release oil. I think actually two of them may have been snapped before I got to them, just with age. In short, from my experience I think it is highly likely that at least one bolt will snap (or already be snapped). To fix this you would need to take the head off I would think, I don't think there'd be enough room to fix in situ. I only wanted the valve train so didn't care about the manifold bolts. When I rebuild the head next year I will be leaving the exhaust manifold on if at all possible.
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 13:20 |
Mark McLennan my mechanic just replaced my manifold for a super curly stainless jobby without snapping any of the headbolts. Yes there is a danger and it does happen, but it can be done. Obviously if a stud snaps the price of the job will go up, but there is no way around that if it happens. James |
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UKDaveJ
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-November-2004 Location: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: 30-November-2005 at 08:28 |
Do you happen to know (if not can you ask please) what his technique was/is James? Andy Everett was telling me that you need sockets that grip the flats & others have said you need to soak & re-soak & re-soak & re-soak etc the nuts/studs with WD40 or similar to give you any chance of NOT breaking any! I've got to drop my manifold off, so any advice that can avoid me having to take the head off will be very very much appreciated! Edited by UKDaveJ |
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My 635's.
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 30-November-2005 at 14:45 |
On the earlier E28 manifold one big problem is getting a wrench on the nuts at all. You need a thin-walled slim ended ring spanner, nothing else will do. If the nuts are badly corroded they are in danger of rounding off if you use a bi-hex, so use a wall drive wrench if you can get one. About half the nuts can be accessed with a socket OK from beneath; these are the easy ones... The one at the back of the head is a complete sod; I went out and bought a stubby ratchet spanner set right after wrestling with that little so and so.... The later highline manifold is completely different though, a bit easier in some ways I reckon. I would recommend dousing the nuts with oil when the manifold is still warm. This should be done several times if possible- but not when it is so hot the oil will burn right away; that would be stupid.... If there is oil on the nuts when you are trying to loosen them this will only cause trouble if the wrench is a bad fit on the nut for some reason; the amount of torque required to shear off a stud is actually quite small. If you are worried by the oil, remove it with tar spot remover or similar. If the worst happens, a gentle tap on the remains of the stud will often loosen it enough to turn it. Then there are easy-outs and the like. Very often the stud will be easy to turn once the manifold is off anyway. If just a tiny bit sticks out it can be built up with MIG weld metal and often the heat from welding also loosens it; -bonus.... I think there IS access for a small right-angle drill should it be required, (even on 87-on cars where the brake master cylinder is in the way) but it will be very difficult to see what you are doing. I have fitted a drill chuck to an angle grinder for this exact purpose (a top bodge, no...?) , but I've never had to use it on my BMW.... Finally on my cylinder head (they all came undone OK!!! ) I noticed that all the holes were deeper than they needed to be- this means you have every chance of drilling and then freshly tapping to the bottom of the existing hole, then fitting a longer stud. cheers
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 30-November-2005 at 15:13 |
I don't think i can really add to this as i was off playing golf whilst my mechanic was doing the job. James |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 30-November-2005 at 17:47 |
Oh, how the other half live.... |
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Shem
Groupie Joined: 04-November-2005 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: 01-December-2005 at 17:16 |
Many thanks for replies and advice. So I need to find someone who a) will take it on and b) I trust not to go at it like a gorilla. If a stud snaps but some of it is still sticking out of the head it possible to unscrew it and screw in another without removing the head? I has been suggested by a friend, who had a similar issue on they E30 M3, that if the nut is stiff you should just cut it off. That way you are leaving yourself plenty of stud to attempt to extract it. Does this sound feasable?
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What fuel crisis?
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 02-December-2005 at 00:18 |
usually if there is anything sticking out you can extract it, especially if you are prepared to go down the MIG route if required. Your friend's advice is fairly sound IMHO except that some studs will have nuts that unscrew OK but will be tight in the head. The other little problemette is that access for cutting many of the nuts off is almost completely non-existent.... cheers
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