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    Posted: 08-February-2006 at 13:02

Help!

Newbie person here, any help with the following would be greatly appreciated!

I am currently looking for a 635CSi. Have seen 4 cars so far have realised that I am going to have to accept my purchase will be far from perfect with my budget of £3k !!

The last car I saw seemed pretty good value but there were a couple of slightly concerning noises on the test drive which I am a bit unsure on. The first was a rumbling/vibrating from the rear which the owner suggested was a wheel bearing (sounded feasible).

The other (and more worrying!) noise was a knocking/grinding noise a bit like going over a rumble strip from the rear of the car when lifting of the gas. It only did it a couple of times and was difficult to replicate. Any ideas what this could be and how serious?!?!?!?

Also, how common is it for these cars to have had welding in the floor plates / sills? Should I be worried if the car had a couple of plates put in for the last MOT?

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Mark


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2006 at 13:29

prop shafts and diff mountings can make noises too; this is sometimes simple and cheap to sort, other times not. The exhaust has close clearances in places too, so can touch and make noises as well.

There are lots of crummy cars out there at vastly optimistic prices; there are also some good ones at realistic prices too.

Some welding is almost inevitable on cars of this age; what you have to ask yourself is how quickly corrosion is progressing, and have PO's actually done anything about root causes or just patched up the damage?

hope your search is eventually fruitful,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 10:43

prop shafts support bearing and diff mountings bush are known for faults...also rear frame bushes(at the front of rear wheelarches ) have bad habit to make some noise when you start to move or release  right pedal....

It also shund be a worn differential...but you are looking probably at a 6 series with interstellar mileage.(I know of bad diff gear only over 250-300k miles)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 10:43

Thanks Brucey.

I reckon the welding might have been bodged as the whole underside of the car has been covered in underseal rather than just the welded patches. Will probably give that one a miss as it's not possible to see how far the rust has spread.

One more quick question, these are the first auto cars I've ever looked at (the only ones that have ever appealed to me!). I know transmission fluid is supposed to be red or clear, however a couple of cars I've seen have had a sort of caramel/browny colour. Does this meant the tranny's had it or should I just avoid cars with very dark brown/black fluid??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:12

Check the underside thouroughly for rust.

Make sure the diff mounts and sills are in good order. By poorly hear and you could be throwing the car away in a years time.

Then look at bodywork. At 3k it will probable need new wings, but you want to acess if the cars needs a full bare metal (Mega Money) respray to put it right or you can do it on a panel by panel bases. Check inner wings and chassi rails. You want these to be solid.

Then worry about mechanicals, engine, diff gearbox. Fairly good supply of these parts second hand although ideally you want the car to be in good condition hear. The sixes mechanicals are fairly bullet proof anyway.

 At 3k the car will probable need new bushes all round. None are that exspensive, but they add up. Suspension will probable be in need of new shocks.

The last area to worry about is the interior. Check for holes in carpets and dash as changing these is very tme consuming and difficult. Other than that it's dead easy to change seats and internal panels around if they need work and there are plenty of cars being broken for terminal rust issues.

Hope this helps, and if you are in and around surrey and you want me to have a look for you send me a PM.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 13:47

auto fluid is red when new, goes brown then finally black.

Discoloration indicates old, overheated, or contaminated fluid.

Some report auto gearbox failure shortly after a fluid change, but I have yet to hear any convincing explanation as to why.

The EH switchable auto is a good box, the earlier non-switchable 4 spd less so. Auto boxes can fail at anything after ~80K miles but this seems to be more common with the earlier box.

In 'sport' mode the EH box will never select top (which is an overdrive ratio), you have engine braking available most of the time, and upshifts can be controlled easily with throttle position. On the usual gearing (3.07 diff) you will pull an indicated 100mph in second(!) gear. In 'E' you will be pulling just 2200rpm at 80mph. I'd still prefer a manual some of the time but for me the EH auto scores 8/10 for brisk road use, and is easy to live with.

Most would say that it is vital that the fluid is changed in the box regularly; it is also vital that the filter is changed, otherwise it can block oil flow (incredibly bad thing).

I agree with James re. the car priorities, but at 3K you should be able to get a not-too-scruffy one to drive rather than a project to work on if that is what you want. Its just a question of shopping around until you find the right one.

My car is an '87 chrome bumper 635; I'm not alone in thinking this pick of the bunch in some ways, as the original E12 chassis cars (76-81) are now difficult to find in good shape, slightly earlier cars (E28 chassis 82-86) have a crossover brake linkage (not BMW's finest engineering moment) and later (8/87-90) cars (although they have improvements in some other places) are heavier and often have stuff like leather covered dashboards (with which I have mysteriously lived without for my entire adult life).

Overall there are about ten different engine specifications on 6ers, three basic body/chassis set-ups (plus sports options, lsd, diff ratios, at least six different gearboxes) and almost endless other trim/gadget options. So there is probably a 6er for most tastes, just a question of finding the right one.... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2006 at 09:43

This is really helpful stuff, many thanks all. I have seen an '88 Highline (I quite like the leather dash!!) which I am keen on so will keep you posted!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-February-2006 at 15:59

 Evening All!!

 I've just put a deposit down on an '88 Highline.  Had a thorough look around, undeneath, inside and behind the wheel today and with my (untrained) eye it all looked pretty good, touch wood. Am just hoping now that it doesn't go wrong until next payday as I spent my while £3K budget on the nose!

It looks stunning in Zinnobar Red with lotus white leather, I will post some photos when I pick it up later this week, can't wait he he!

thanks to everyone for all the advice again, this really is an excellent forum

Mark

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