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jkyle69 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Anybody know where I can buy a new clutch master and slave cylinder as I am looking to convert an auto to a manual and need to collect all the parts first...
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Brucey ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
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-which model are you converting? cheers
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jkyle69 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Is a bit of an odd ball car really, was originally a German left hand drive 2800CS but has 3.0 Alpina CSL on the log book in the UK. But it has been converte dover to an auto at somepoint so I have a short ratio dogleg box that I am going to put in.
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SFH3L ![]() Really Senior Member I ![]() Joined: 03-October-2004 Location: Near Buckingham Status: Offline Points: 447 |
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I'd recommend C3 - 0208 659 7272. Very helpful guys, very quick delivery. OEM parts at a lot less than dealers. As for Simon or Kirby. Good luck. I'd say the logbook is just an error when the car was imported to the UK. It ofetn seems to happen. All the "official" UK 2800cs cars began life as LHD though, and were converted over, badly, by a garage close to the then Concessionaires in Brighton. It wasn't until the 3.0cs came out that they actually built the big coupe in RHD. Good luck. |
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Daxklynsmith ![]() Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 232 |
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Hi Kyle, been following your thread on E9 Coupe.com as well Cant believe someone converted a manual 2800 CS to Auto??? and then it's registered as a 3.0 CSL? according to Mobile tradition, what was your car manufactured as? it's a major conversion, far more difficult than vice versa, It's Bell housing,propshaft, some electrics and possibly the diff too. Unless they transplanted an entire engine and gearbox. Are your engine numbers and Vin no the same? When you find someone in the UK who knows what they are doing re the bell housing, please keep us posted regards Dax |
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jkyle69 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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The car is registered as a 3.0 Alpina CSL, the car has a 3.0 litre engine in it with Alpina head work according to the previous owner. The car was brought into the UK recently not back in the early 70s and the DVLA are rather strict about these sorts of things now. I am not that bothered to be honest as I am going to convert it into a group 2 race car rep anyway. The story is that it was converted from manual to auto in Germany by some old bloke in his mid 70s....
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Daxklynsmith ![]() Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 232 |
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jkyle, I'm not disputing or impugning your reputation. there are a umber of issues here that are going to be cost related. Alpina worked on all BMW's especially 2800 CS's If you email your Vin no to info.konzernarchiv@bmw.de they will tell you your model which month and year Manufactured, wether Auto or manual,Original colour and to which dealership the car was delivered to. The biggest question here is wether your car is Curburetteded or Fuel injection as that could cost you far more than Malc's estimate of 100 hours of labour as that involves Re-wiring, Different fuel tank,brake booster as well as the bell-housing etc for the manual conversion..If your car is already FI then you are ahead of the game. Enclosed is a pic of a friend of mines car that started life as a 2800 CSA
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jkyle69 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Car is carb version, I am not sure as to whether to go for (well try...) the Kugelfisher mechanical fuel injection or triple weber 45 DCOE carbs. What parts would I need to convert from carbs to FI?
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I think I saw the car one or two years ago. Was it at one point on Ebay? I believe the car is an ordinary 2800 CSA, but according to the then owner the upgraded spec was not reported on the German documents because of insurance reasons. Check if the ally panels are present, because driving the car did not feel like driving an Alpina car, but it could have been stood there for a while.
If you want to upgrade the car to Group 2 replica state you have to consider two things: 1. Do you want to race it or just to show. For show you really only need the bodykit, for racing the number of changes that are allowed depends on the year you want to compete in. The 2800CS had triple carbs and all steel panels, so did the 3.0 CS and the early CSL had ally panels but still carbs. The mechanical Kugelfischer fuel injection did not come in until mid 1973. 2. The engines don't really get any significant power until you lighten the cranck, get different pistons, larger valves, higher compression ratio etc, otherwise whether you put carbs or fuel injection is not going to make much difference. The D-jet especially is not suited to tuning. Apart from that the brakes, suspension etc are all totally different from what you have got. good luck! |
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Daxklynsmith ![]() Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 232 |
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I can only relate Johan's story. His car took over 300 hours to build He bought a E12 M535 as a spares donor Body kit came from Walloth& Nesch(prepare for a Heart attack when you download the price list) But, in answer to your question,Complete wiring harness,ECU,New head with all injectors intact,Manifold,possibly a new Fuel Tank as FI needs a pressurised system with a return line,twin brake boosters as your existing brake booster wont fit any longer and a genius mechanic. Even though Johan transplanted everything he could from the 535 there were still a myriad of other small things he had to source. At the end of the project, Johan worked out that had he bought a concourse condition 1 CSL and then added the modifications he wanted to ie:cam, suspension,brakes,pistons crank,body kit etc the car would have cost him 40% of what it actually cost. and the real kicker is that it is still classed as a 2800 CS by BMW and any other E9 Coupe Club/collector etc no matter what the DVLA registration says,and is worth only what a Condition 1 2800CSA is worth. Another Friend, John Meiring, bougt a CSi and has upgraded it to CSL spec and is only now getting to the £12000 mark,admittedy without the body kit If you want to go this route, buy that rusted wreck CSL you spotted on Ebay, strip it and your car, use the best chassis and bodyshell and rebuild a CSL.Remembering that Genuine CSL's had Ally Bonnet and Boot lids and genuine Bats had Ally skins and perspex rear windows At the end of the day, you will never recover what you have spent (no E9 restoring owner ever does) but at least you will have something that will appreciate in value and if it started as a Genuine CSL it stays that way. In my opinion, whoever sold you your car or put CSL on the DVLA register committed fraud and there have been any cases of CSL Fraud.
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jkyle69 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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I think I would stick with triple carbs as it would be easier to do in this case. Also if I use the car as a track day car then I would prefer not to use a CSL as I would not be best pleased if something untoward happened if the car was originally a 2800CS (although would be still less than pleased....). I think the first major job I want to do is convert the car over to 5 speed manual.
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SFH3L ![]() Really Senior Member I ![]() Joined: 03-October-2004 Location: Near Buckingham Status: Offline Points: 447 |
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I would echo Dax's comments re the Log Book. It is in fact quite easy to describe your car as whatever you want when it gets imported. My M3 spent the first 6 years of it's UK life with 3 digits incorrect in the VIN. That's the original importing MOT, BMW dealer service (some) and subsequent MOTs, all without anybody asking. It was only the heavy accident that I had at the end of '04 in which the Insurers tried to stiff me and write the car off that caused a "VIC" check, which the car initially faile, because it didn't match its own docs that brought all this to light. It is now a bona fide Sport Evo, just like the factory intended it once more. Whether your PO was fraudulent or guilty of wishful thinking, whoo knows. I've seen a fair few "Alpina CSL" cars which were CS or CSi's with a few stickers. There were very few really genuine Alpina CSLs back in the old days, in the UK certainly, and those that were are either squirreled away in collections or have long since been crashed as race cars that someone converted for track use at some point. As for the 2800 cs being a bas for a full-on race car, Dax's mates car looks awesome, and I seem to recall that the famous Castrol '76 ETC winning "Massive" car (Black with BMW Italia white/red/green livery) was known as a CSL, but was in fact built up on a shell from the early days of 2800cs race cars in '69/70. I might be wrong about specifics of the year, but it certainly isn't a CSL in the sense we know. However, with that car, it has a huge racing provenance, and I reckon it must be worth even more because of its peculiar history than it would be as a "standard" CSL - if there is such a thing. As to your car - it's hourses for courses. I think you need to slay the "csl demon" and just get on with enjoying it as it is. I agree as regards a track day car. With the right suspension and brakes, there isn't much between a well sorted CS and a CSL, except expendability. You would HAVE TO ditch those dreadful solid front discs and rear drums that a 2800cs has though. I once set mine on fire on my 2800 cs on a semi-sprited road drive! Your car may have lost these at some point already though - not sure. As a point of fact though, the 3.0 coupes all had vented discs all round, csls included. The UK cars had the two servo arrangement, and the LHD cars had the one larger servo. All 2800 cs cars had solid (pathetic) front discs and drums at the rear, enlarged slightly from the 2000cs. I had a 2800 cs, which I always planned to upgrade in the braking department, and have a number of bits which might help. I'll PM you with details. I think just enjoy it for what it is though...... |
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not sure if this is even related, but i converted a 325i convertible that was originally an auto to a manual. it wasn't very difficult. if theres anything you think that might be relevant ill glady try and help you out.
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