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sharknose7
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Posted: 15-January-2007 at 18:15 |
My Dad has an e23 735ise 1985 vintage(bronze with brown cord velour).He was using it everyday until he went to start it one day and nothing.The engine turns over but it's like someone has flicked an immobilizer switch.It may be as simple as a sensor or could it be the code in the obc which has activated itself. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated Edited by sharknose7 |
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bmw1066
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Have you checket for spark? put a live directley on the + side or the coil to buy pas any possable causes. also can you hear the injecters going when you crank her over? also worth xhecking all the fuses.
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sharknose7
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Thanks for the tips I wiil investigate as soon as the weather improves,the old girl is resting outside at the moment ,I mean RUSTING [/QUOTE] Edited by sharknose7 |
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Good old E23's, always did make an impressive ornament.........
First you need a good strong battery to really spin in over. Does it have a spark? Whit a plug out after cranking it - does it smell of fuel? If it stinks of wet fuel but doesn't spark, it'll be an ignition issue - cap, rotor arm or the TDC sensor on the bellhousing (passenger side). Test for cap/rotor arm problems by pulling the coil lead from the distributor cap, sticking a spark plug in the end and resting it on the block whilst cranking - if there is a spark there, it's a rotor arm/cap problem. If not, try another coil lead to be sure it's not that. failing that, make sure you have 12v at coil +. To quickly test for a failed TDC sensor - find the two sensors on the bellhousing, one for TDC and the other for crank speed. The leads go up the side of tyhe engine and connect into the main elngine loom by the back of the inlet manifold. Unplug them and swap them over - if the TDC sensor failed, the engine will then start (or at least try to) although the timing will be a long way out. No spark and no fuel? Pull a fuel hose from the fuel injector rail. Crank the engine and see if anything happens. If not it's probably the DME relay that's failed. There are two relays, fuel pump and DME (Motronic) and one is at the back of the engine bay but can't remember which. The fuel pump relay has four pins, the DME relay five. They are: 87=red/black = direct to pin 35 of ECU (power) 87=red/white = goes to the injectors AND to terminal 86 fuel pump relay 86=green/red = plugs into the wiring loom. 85= brown - earth 30=red = power source 12v from battery. So: get a 12v test lamp and check for power at terminal 30 of the 5 pin DME relay. Nothing? run a wire from battery+ to this connector. Check for 12v at the terminal 87 with the red/black wire. If the relay has failed - as they often did - there will be 12v at 30 but not at 87. Run a jumper wire from 30 to 87. Note there are two 87's but one will be 87b. That's enough to be getting on with! Just pray it not a failed ECU of the combined engine/trans type - unavailable new or used. |
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Thanks Andyboy for the tips they are very much appreciated.I've replaced the ecu with the one off my car(the numbers match)and it still wouldn't start.Hope to have a look at it on Sunday,I will let you know how we get on.
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If the ECU is out (but connected) test for 12v at terminal 35 with ignition
on - should be a red/black wire on the end. If there is no power there, test at terminal 87 (red/black) at DME relay. No power there either means a failed relay in most cases. Sounds like she should be running again soon! |
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I've now located the problem to a failed TDC sensor.The part came today from BMW a very reasonable £25.Unfortunately i'm having difficulty taking the old sensor out of the bellhousing.I've removed the 10m bolt which secures it in place but the sensor will turn but cannot be removedIs there something else i should be doing... This car is fast becomming fleabay fodder!!.
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