RS4 beats M3, Autocar 18 July |
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Coasting
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Posted: 02-August-2007 at 09:48 |
Exactly. Your average new M3 buyer isn't going to give two hoots about 11mpg, 21mpg or whatever it actually returns. Anyway, if they're happy to pay a ridiculous price for the car when it's first released then I'm sure they'll not be bothered if it returns 5mpg to be honest. |
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I'm sure if you can afford a brand new M3, you can certainly afford the running costs. |
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Absolutely, 635CSI but I never complain about fuel consumption when driving hard and if anybody is concerned with fuel consumption the M3 surely isn't the right car for them.
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Yeah but we all like a bit of pace now and again... Edited by 635CSi |
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What I meant by "ridiculous" is worrying about fuel consumption in an expensive, high-performance car. I would expect a 400 horsepower car to get thirsty when driven hard and if that's a problem to anyone there's always the 318d.
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Larzyh.
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No larzy, that reading was taken over around a 3 mile slog through rush hour dublin traffic one night when it literally took me 15 mintues to get approx 500 yards from the gates of the office. I knew it was going to be a doozy so I reset the mpg but not the odo. It took me around 1.5 hours to get from harcourt street to drumcondra. An extreme situation I grant you, but 11mpg is not a ridiculous figure given the right conditions. The problem with these guys is that quotes like this get taken as gospel......people will be going around now saying stuff like, "oh I heard the new M3 only gets 11mpg"
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It does seem a bit ridiculous to get hung-up on fuel consumption in a 400 hp, E100.000 car. ///M3Mick - presumably you could get that figure even lower, with some strategic re-setting of the obc. Do you reset your odometer after fuelling? I would be quite impressed with your 482.8, if the answer is yes. |
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OMG!!!! Journalists-in-flog-a-car-as-hard-as-you-can-but-only-get-11 mpg-shocker!!!!!!!!!!!! I am actually shocked the pu**ies didn't manage to get it under 11!! Alex, I don't doubt the veracity of your quote but that comment about the zonda is absolute and total bullsh1t, no doubt about it. These guys took the car, ragged the crap out of it, probably powersliding the thing all over the place, revving it to 8200 rpm in every gear available and then complain about mpg????? IS this what passes for motoring journalism these days? I frequently get 8-9mpg at mondello, often get low teens around town and this is what happens when I am stuck in traffic for a while:
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I don't doubt it will be heavy on juice, I just think that the avearge owner is going to get a few more mpg than the bunch of motoring journallists on their first drive, where they will have been pushing the car hard. Lets be honest in most driving situations, speed cameras and traffic prevent us from putting our foot down, whereas they will have deliberately chosen a route that was quiet to allow them to do just that. I'm quite sure 11mpg is representative of what the car will get when driven hard. |
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Evo's longterm Audi Rs4 return around 23mpg month on month iirc, which isn't bad.... but that drop to 12 - 14 mpgs on track according to reports on other forums, not sure if that's a figure from the OBC or a calculated figure, but if I calculate a figure from fuel used I always get a slightly higher figure compared to the OBC.
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I wouldn't be too sure Peter. Whilst I agree that 11mpg seems extreme, let's not forget that BMW performance models of late are not known for their economy. A fully tanked up BMW M6 will give you a range of 220 miles (approximately), and an M5 will deliver around 14-16 mpg. I'd take a punt on the BMW M3 returning 17 mpg at best - and I mean at very best. My 4.4 V8 is in nothing like the state of tune that the 4.0 V8 in the M3 is, and i'll get 20.9 mpg. So, take a very highly tuned 4.0 V8, and you can bank on dropping at least 25% off that. |
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I suspect most owners will get far more than 11mpg. EVO magazine got the car to evalute it's performance so it will have been driven very hard. I could get my 530 to well under 20mpg easilly if I drove the nuts of it, however in reality I rarely see less than 25mpg, because most of the time I don't get the chance to drive it like that. |
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I just picked up my copy of EVO today, they seem to have given it the most decent review I have read so far. It actually looks pretty cool, it would look sexy in Interlagos Blue with the standard alloys.
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Petrol is the one thing that is still relatively cheap here in Ireland! Sporty1's point on consumption seems likely; you may well average 11mpg for the first few weeks but it's bound to improve with more sensible, everyday, driving. |
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The V8 engine is a tad lighter then the last straight 6 but more importantly
it's shorter so the engine can be pushed further back towards the middle of the car making it handle better and be far less nose heavy the the e36 and e46 M3's. I think it was a great idea to use a V8. It's a high revving one (8400 rpm) like a Ferrari so don't be thinking it's going to be like a fat American muscle car. The 11mpg will not financially bother many prospective buyers as it's now a very expensive car but the fact that you'd have stop in a petrol station to fill it 2 or 3 times a week would piss me off. Edited by flyingalexf68 |
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Well the v8 car should have less weight in the nose as a V8 is not as long as a straight six, its lighter, so as long as it's not like an old school Audi and mounted on the front grill balance shouldn't be a problem. At Bruntingthorpe a few years ago my SE's comsumption dropped down to 15-16mpg's and I doubt Evo mag were were driving like my gran. |
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(Peter Fenwick wrote: How? the original M3 had a straight 4. Just because the last two
incarnations had a straight 6 doesn't mean that it has to stay that way.) That's really my point, the amount of cylinders has doubled since the original. Also, I would have thought having a big V8 under the bonnet would make it less nimble than the E30 and more 'nose heavy'. (Sporty1 wrote: The V8 engine is lighter and more powerfull than the outgoing straight 6 so that can't be all bad.......... The 11mpg's however is just shocking........may not be regarded as a supercar, but certainly has supercar thirst.) That's part of my point again, 11 mpg is quite frankly shocking!Edited by 635CSi |
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The V8 engine is lighter and more powerfull than the outgoing straight 6 so that can't be all bad.......... The 11mpg's however is just shocking........may not be regarded as a supercar, but certainly has supercar thirst. |
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How? the original M3 had a straight 4. Just because the last two incarnations had a straight 6 doesn't mean that it has to stay that way. |
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In my opinion it was a big mistake fitting it with a V8, it's moving the M3 too far away from it's heritage.
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