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Originally posted by Barry_Mc Barry_Mc wrote:

i'm using 5w-30 castrol edge since i bought the car nearly 2yr ago, it was burning 1ltr every 1000 - 1200 miles, prob 6mths ago after a service it started burning 1ltr every 600-700miles and now its down to 450miles, running well, see smoke at high revs alright, just a blow out if ya like, cleaning the pipes....

 

Spooky that.  I've been using the same oil since new in the car, regular services and FBMWSH.  Mine was the same about a ltr every 1200 miles.  I queried it with the supplying dealer in 2002 and they checked the car over and then said it was fine and in normal tolerance (which BMW claim is 1 ltr in 750 miles).  Then like you suddenly 1 ltr every 600ish miles down to 1 ltr every 400miles.

BMW had the manifold off to do the breather valve and it was clean.  They didn't test compression (as it was expensive job for them to do it and I don't know a good indie garage in Leeds and they reckoned with the car's history that shouldn't be the problem).

Originally wondered if an oil control ring had shed or failed.  I also wondered if the oil was getting too hot or if there is some way the engine could "suck up oil" when you lift the throttle - though as I said the manifold is clear (I'm told) and the breather valve replaced by BMW. 

I think it's defo the same thing though as the symptoms are spookily so the same and it seems peculiar to the M54 2.2's

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Originally posted by autofix autofix wrote:

I have seen a small number of m54’s burning oil due to bottom end wear. If as someone posted, using a heavier oil lowered the oil consumption then that would point to wear rather than a breathing problem.

Another point worth noting is that compression and oil usage can have nothing in common. Oil and compression rings on the pistons do two different jobs. It is quite possible to have worn oil rings with good compression.

Thanks for that - it's a good point.  So if it has a problem with oil rings, is it worth getting the engine in bits to try fix?  Or is it worth just putting a "cheaper" synth or semi synth in and running?

I'm going to change the oil as I'm not happy with the High Mileage stuff in there.

A thought but if the thick oil is not good around the valves, could the valve stem seals be the mode of entry of the oil into the cylinder?

Sorry if that's a stupid question and thanks to everyone contributing. Nice to know you're all out there!

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Last one for now..

 

It's not just the 3 series M54's that have the problem.  Check out..

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23760

Also they sign to a thread on here where someone ended up finding it was valve seals - which rings a bit true with some of my symptoms - but make your mind up...

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=404447&pag e=5

 

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There's a half decent Indie near York, which isn't too far from leeds.

http://www.atlasautoservices.co.uk/

I had an E39 530 with an M54 engine and that used a litre of oil every 1500-2000 miles.

 

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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

There's a half decent Indie near York, which isn't too far from leeds.

http://www.atlasautoservices.co.uk/

I had an E39 530 with an M54 engine and that used a litre of oil every 1500-2000 miles.

 

Ta very much for the recommendation!

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Originally posted by Individual_11 Individual_11 wrote:

Also they sign to a thread on here where someone ended up finding it was valve seals - which rings a bit true with some of my symptoms -

But ring/bore problems give different symptoms to stem seals.

As far as I am aware the lads in the workshop in Quarry are well clued in. Any good mechanic should be able to diagnose stem seals. 

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interesting links I-11, if i had the consumption levels of the lads in the first post xmas would have come early!!! the DIY guide in the second post is spot on, but i don't think i'll try it...lol, def one to be left to the experts i think...seems to be the fix, if the seal colours are correct then there is obv a flaw and it would be interesting to know which engine has the green or red seals?

i might change my oil to be honest, reading the 2nd post 5w-30 isn't up to the running temp of the m54, which 0w-30 and 5w-40 are, so i think as i'm due a service i might chance 5w-40, not 100% but i think majority of members use 5w-40, worth a try at least...might be a cheap fix, if i get back to 1000-1200 / ltr i'll be happy enough although my gut is telling me the damage has been done...

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latest...checked the oil level last night, on the min mark, so i topped up today, 1 ltr, (which is exactly min to max) perfect, i'll admit i didn't check the level after topping up) basically had a bit of a hickup at some stage, reckon i was in too high a gear, accelerated, car choked for sec and ran on as usual, only time it missed a beat all day or any day for that, checked the oil level tonight, back to min....(i didn't buy invisible oil...hehehe, has me worried at this stage. no oil leaks by the way.

i rang an ex bmw mech to get a quote for valve seal replacement, he suggested relief valve (don't quote me there) that there is a good chance its clogged, different driving style to the previous owner would be the cause, mainly slower driving, i'd put it down to speed bumps if thats the case...(other than me...lmao), he has gone straight for that everytime and has sorted plenty of bm's with similar symtoms.

anyway, i'm trying to figure out....

1. what happened my oil?

2. how does the relief valve work?

3. as far as i know the valve is attached to the oil pump, where is that located?

4. and finally does the manifold have to come off to gain access?

thanks in advance,

barry

found this..

http://www.autohausaz.com/bmw-auto-parts/bmw-oil-pressure.ht ml

good info, doesn't answer my q's...might be of interest.



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Hi Barry

If he means the valve that lets pressure out of the crank case back into
the manifold (so called scavenger valve) then I've had that done.

BMW decided that that was the most likely cause of mine (apparently it
gets clogged inside and the oil isn't trapped out but ends up on the inlet
manifold being burned). It apparently is like a tiny cyclone valve (think
dyson) that traps any oil in the gas flowing from the bottom to the top of
the engine. I think you can see it under the inlet manifold!

They had to take the inlet manifold off to get at it and for my car it didn't
make any difference!

I was wondering if the valve guide seals can be replaced without taking
the head to bits and what it might cost....

Hmmm

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The problem is almost certainly the breather pipes to an from the valve.
They turn to chewing gum and block up inside and dramatically increase
oil consumption. Replace these and it'll probably be okay. 2.2 M54's are
well known for using oil anyway.
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thanks for that, Russ, i'd say your right, must be the scavenger valve he was talking about...i don't think you have to touch the heads to replace the valve seals. i tried to get a price for that job but i'd say if they can find a simpler solution with less effort they will, which makes sense i suppose. out of interest how much were you charged for the scavenger valve job, i was told 7hrs, (55e / hr) and i think the part is around 76e - 460e approx. (he didn't say 460, just 7hr job etc etc...

MBW1 - breather pipes, must have a look into that, only starting to get an idea of the inner workings.

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Hi Barry

Not entirely sure off the top of my head so will have to go digging but I'm
sure it was less that £200 - I seem to remember £110 and the part being
about £40. Will have to see what I can find in my bills! The dealer I went to
also discounts if your car is over 5 years old - but you have to ask!

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