Speed camera fines fall 20% ’as drivers get wise to traps’

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   An article in the local national paper goes on about speed cameras not catching as many folk as they used to.  You can read it here if you really want to �.

FINES from speed cameras fell by as much as one fifth in some areas of Scotland last year, The Scotsman can reveal .......

 http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Speed-camera-fines-fall-20 37.3966341.jp 

After articles there is the chance to comment.  Anyone got any comments about the comments?

�6.8 million generated from Lothian & Borders ALONE in one year. And it's not about making money?

Speed cameras ARE about making money and nothing else. Crash statistics have actually got WORSE since these stupid machines have been inflicted on us. This is due to the fact that motorists are becoming dumbed down by the incessant propaganda and are not thinking any more. The number of crashes for stupid reasons bears this out.

Regarding getting wise to cameras, here are a few tips:-

Grey box Gatsos: 
1. Only type approved to catch vechicles by taking a picture of the REAR.
2. Can cover more than one lane at a time.
3. If any other vehicle is in the field of view, the photos should not be used as evidence.
4. Can also be used to prosecute dangerous driving etc where only a photo is required.
5. Detectable with radar detector.

Tru-Velo:
1. Has a round lens and flash
2. Flash is RED (may be infra-red)
3. Three piezo-electric sensors in road surface
4. Can only catch vehicles coming TOWARDS it.
5. Not detectable electronically.

SPECs:
1. Operate on time/distance principle
2. Can only cover one lane at a time
3. Mounted on overhead gantries
4. Can be avoided by swapping lanes between pairs of cameras---although caution must be used here
5. Can be avoided by driving between lanes sometimes
6. Measure AVERAGE speed
7. Not detectable electronically

LTI 20/20:
1. Used in a manned van in conjunction with a video recorder
2. VERY effective at raising money
3. Detectable by laser detector/jammer, but active jammer required to be of any use
4. Measures your speed in 0.3 sec from a range of over a kilometre.
5. By the time you spot the van, you're nicked (and it's not about raising money?)
6. Often parked illegally in some parts of the country and often vans not marked properly.
7. Interesting legal exercise to get hold of entire tape of enforcement session (but can be costly).
8. . This device has been proven to show a wall of a room moving at 20mph!

There are other speed cameras around but these are the main ones. Google for "speed camera" on UK sites for more info.

Know your enemy!

"7. Interesting legal exercise to get hold of entire tape of enforcement session (but can be costly)."

I spent over a year trying to get mine and wished now that I had spent the �1600 for an advocate to go the high court for it.

On day 3 of the trial (yes a 3 day trial with 5 witnesses for speeding on the A92), the operator started to show the court part of the tape that was not disclosed to the defence. 

You can get the full story on www.pepipoo.co.uk but its interesting that they will protect the tape with their lives (I wonder what they are hiding)??

If you are a regular on pepipoo, you may be awaref my 3 year (yes 3 year) fight to get the same! It didn't cost me a third of what it did you though and it ended up costing the CPS a great deal more. 

The amount of hassle I caused them through insisting they followed every procedure to the letter was beyond belief and during the process, I had at least 4 court hearings adjourned because the CPS had not followed procedures properly. 

I didn't end up winning the case, but in a way, I feel that the amount of stink I kicked up, that was a well worthwhile exercise!

If everyone was to do this, then speed cameras would quickly dissappear from our roads

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Jack735 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 14-September-2005 Location: Edinburgh Status: Offline Points: 1055	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jack735 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Speed camera fines fall 20% ’as drivers get wise to traps’ Posted: 10-April-2008 at 14:39
	An article in the local national paper goes on about speed cameras not catching as many folk as they used to. You can read it here if you really want to �. FINES from speed cameras fell by as much as one fifth in some areas of Scotland last year, The Scotsman can reveal ....... http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Speed-camera-fines-fall-20 37.3966341.jp After articles there is the chance to comment. Anyone got any comments about the comments? �6.8 million generated from Lothian & Borders ALONE in one year. And it's not about making money? Speed cameras ARE about making money and nothing else. Crash statistics have actually got WORSE since these stupid machines have been inflicted on us. This is due to the fact that motorists are becoming dumbed down by the incessant propaganda and are not thinking any more. The number of crashes for stupid reasons bears this out. Regarding getting wise to cameras, here are a few tips:- Grey box Gatsos: 1. Only type approved to catch vechicles by taking a picture of the REAR. 2. Can cover more than one lane at a time. 3. If any other vehicle is in the field of view, the photos should not be used as evidence. 4. Can also be used to prosecute dangerous driving etc where only a photo is required. 5. Detectable with radar detector. Tru-Velo: 1. Has a round lens and flash 2. Flash is RED (may be infra-red) 3. Three piezo-electric sensors in road surface 4. Can only catch vehicles coming TOWARDS it. 5. Not detectable electronically. SPECs: 1. Operate on time/distance principle 2. Can only cover one lane at a time 3. Mounted on overhead gantries 4. Can be avoided by swapping lanes between pairs of cameras---although caution must be used here 5. Can be avoided by driving between lanes sometimes 6. Measure AVERAGE speed 7. Not detectable electronically LTI 20/20: 1. Used in a manned van in conjunction with a video recorder 2. VERY effective at raising money 3. Detectable by laser detector/jammer, but active jammer required to be of any use 4. Measures your speed in 0.3 sec from a range of over a kilometre. 5. By the time you spot the van, you're nicked (and it's not about raising money?) 6. Often parked illegally in some parts of the country and often vans not marked properly. 7. Interesting legal exercise to get hold of entire tape of enforcement session (but can be costly). 8. . This device has been proven to show a wall of a room moving at 20mph! There are other speed cameras around but these are the main ones. Google for "speed camera" on UK sites for more info. Know your enemy! "7. Interesting legal exercise to get hold of entire tape of enforcement session (but can be costly)." I spent over a year trying to get mine and wished now that I had spent the �1600 for an advocate to go the high court for it. On day 3 of the trial (yes a 3 day trial with 5 witnesses for speeding on the A92), the operator started to show the court part of the tape that was not disclosed to the defence. You can get the full story on www.pepipoo.co.uk but its interesting that they will protect the tape with their lives (I wonder what they are hiding)?? If you are a regular on pepipoo, you may be awaref my 3 year (yes 3 year) fight to get the same! It didn't cost me a third of what it did you though and it ended up costing the CPS a great deal more. The amount of hassle I caused them through insisting they followed every procedure to the letter was beyond belief and during the process, I had at least 4 court hearings adjourned because the CPS had not followed procedures properly. I didn't end up winning the case, but in a way, I feel that the amount of stink I kicked up, that was a well worthwhile exercise! If everyone was to do this, then speed cameras would quickly dissappear from our roads
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