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    Posted: 01-February-2010 at 20:26
Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Ahhh don't you just love
jobsworths!


  "I'll get ma baws chewed aff if I don't get a receipt,
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I did get a receipt....



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Ahhh don't you just love jobsworths!

I went in to a transport qwango place to drop of a tender.  The boss had asked me to get a receipt for the tender drop off.  This is to say that we made it by the allcoated time etc.

Me " Can I have a receipt for that please"

Jobsworth "H'am no supposed to give receipts, I'll get ma baws chewed aff if I give you a reciept"

Me "Well I'll get ma baws chewed aff if I don't get a receipt, which is it to be?"

I did get a receipt....

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Tell me about it but hey ho .... nowt a can do ... just been to the local Sherriff Court .... went into fines office... low and behold a que !! anyway .... got to counter to find the cheeries person in the world .. .NOT !!!

"How much yi payin" ??

"All of it please" !

"It says here yi kin piy it up !"

"Aye ... but I want to pay it all today get you clowns aff ma back"

"Aye awrite .... shoodni hiv been speedin then eh " !!!

 

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Ouch, not good.

That is quite steep.  6 points and 200 notes.

My dad recently got busted for doing 48 in 30. He phoned me up to say he got pulled by plod in 5 Series in Barmill in deepest darkest Ayrshire.  Needless to say I lectured him about speeding, seeing as how he never has had to lecture me about speeding.

They never mentioned to my dad about going to the PF, must be because he was below the magic 49, which you were just above..... 

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Originally posted by HairyHaggis HairyHaggis wrote:

Just like changing the cd or radio station IMO. !

 

Which is also apparently illegal

Saw a thing the other night where a van driver was charged, for blowing his nose whilst stopped in traffic with his handbrake on!

Not sure how that would stand, but the presenter rattled off a few other apparent chargeable activities such as changing cds or cassettes, eating & drinking & also smoking

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Ouch! that seems a bit steep.... that's what slows me down
I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney

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Well there you have it folks, the letter thumped through the door.

Verdict of Procurator Fiscal Vs You .. (made me laff that bit)

6 penalty points & £200.00 fine ....

However, I can pay it off at £10.00 per week starting 28th January ... letter arrived today !!!

I did  for a brief few days have a clean license between 17th Jan and 21st lol



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Originally posted by Ham328 Ham328 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

We should have a database on here for logging all the reggie numbers of plod cars, like they used to publish many moons ago in the Top Gear magazine.
What purpose did/would this serve.  No offence meant, i just don't see the point. The illuminous decals, Blue lights on the roof and the word Police written on it are usually enough of a clue for me and if it's an unmarked car, by the time you've got your notebook out and crosschecked the reg no's PC Copper will be reading your rights

                                 

 

 

(A bit like why do we need road-angels to tell us about those big yellow boxes?)

Having a road angel is a good idea
Memorising Police car reg numbers is in the ashtray on a motorbike league of daft ideas  



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Originally posted by Ham328 Ham328 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

We should have a database on here for logging all the reggie numbers of plod cars, like they used to publish many moons ago in the Top Gear magazine.
What purpose did/would this serve.  No offence meant, i just don't see the point. The illuminous decals, Blue lights on the roof and the word Police written on it are usually enough of a clue for me and if it's an unmarked car, by the time you've got your notebook out and crosschecked the reg no's PC Copper will be reading your rights

                                 

 

 

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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Speeding is a absolute offence, just exceeding the magic number means the offence is complete, you can only have mitigation.

Policemen ( providing you don't play the arse) are well know for descretion, scamera agencies are well know for being lieing thieving scumbags (in my own opinion of course).

If you know where you stand, it will make decision making easier for you.

And don't forget, evertime you speed, god kills a kitten AND strangles a duckling.

So think of the kittens and ducklings

Agree wholeheartedly and unreservedly, speeding is speeding regardless of the degree.

My point was more that the scamera operator claimed to recognise me 9 months after he saw me through a camera viewfinder at 900mtrs, despite the fact I was wearing sunglasses and had the visor down at the time of the offence.

Incidentally, have you tried roast duckling with kitten jus?



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Originally posted by pauliexjr pauliexjr wrote:

Yes it stinks, but so do the majority of speeding 'captures'. I attended court in Dumfries having been caught on camera doing 80 mph on the M74, that's 3 mph over the statutory guidelines (70 mph limit +10% for speedo error = max permissible of 77mph)

They are APCO guidelines, as far as I know, the clue is in the word "guideline"

The max you may do, on that road is 70, not 77, like it says on the sign.

You can, and people have, be reported for 71 in a 70, 31 in a 30 etc

It is a requirement that your speedo overreads, so it will (or should) be showing a higher speed than you are actually travelling at.

Speeding is a absolute offence, just exceeding the magic number means the offence is complete, you can only have mitigation.

Policemen ( providing you don't play the arse) are well know for descretion, scamera agencies are well know for being lieing thieving scumbags (in my own opinion of course).

If you know where you stand, it will make decision making easier for you.

And don't forget, evertime you speed, god kills a kitten AND strangles a duckling.

So think of the kittens and ducklings

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Thanks all ...

For the record though, once the paperwork is returned with my date for public stoning, then I will post it up for all to gloat over :D

Speedings speeding .... bottom line ....


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m3tiko.

I have a £5 cigar lighter plugging in remore bluetooth handsfree speaker mike.

It allows me to put the phone in the glovebox of whatever vehicle I'm travelling in.

I've decided on that course of action, as you just cannot win to be honest, it is the opinion of the safety brigade, and a lot of police officers, that mobile phone use whilst driving a vehicle is worse than drink driving (as far driver performance goes), they seem to have statistics, as ever, to back this opinion up.

I cannot see the position improving for those of us (me included) that believe otherwise.

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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Originally posted by m3tiko m3tiko wrote:

I'm living the live of a criminal as well....I got that dreaded pleading form. Just admitted to my offence of using handheld mobile whilst driving. I'm told 3 points and a fine is the most probable. Hoping that due to my impeccable driving history of nil points till now will keep the fine at £60 and not more. To be honest, I possibly could've argued the case as phone records would've proved I wasn't conversing. I was actually checking a text message whilst stationary at traffic lights.


I'm surprised at you to be honest, you always come across as so "straight".


You cannot hold a mobile phone if you are the driver,(or whilst your supervising a learner driver),whilst your engine is running and you are on the public highway, its as simple as that.


It must be one of the most publicised recently dreamt up pieces of sh*te this government has come out with.


People have been succesfully prosecuted for just handling a switched off phone, and this has even been reported in the news, and there has been at least one program on it I've heard on BBC radio two.


Put it in a cradle, and as long as you don't crash (or your driving isn't deemed to drop below the level of a safe and competant driver, by a cunstable), then you can do anything you want with it, text, look away from the road, make calls, even play games, the law is so stupid and badly thought out.


Its a crap law, in my opinion, others will dissagree of course, but a law it is




Oh trust me Nigel, I'm as straight as they come. Unfortunately I wasn't in any of the cars but in my van, hence no cradle or bluetooth facilities.

As a good boy that I am, I didn't refute their charges and maintained what they were saying being correct.

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Originally posted by HairyHaggis HairyHaggis wrote:

Not gonna happen Nigel, I think they would be hard pushed to be honest to ban someone for that ....

Although I am admitting it, I am doing so under protest as I cannot argue the fact. I am however going to the HQ to ask to see the video though, so that I can be at peace with myself. I mean basically I was either 50 or 55 surely? Not an ... erm well he was around about 50 - 55 .... and if no video whos to say I was erm naw .... i was 30 - 35, it just stinks !!! lol

Viewing the evidence now you've admitted the offence will as you say only be for your peace of mind. Even if you now found there is no evidence other than the plod's 'opinion', unless you are a wizard back-street barrister appearing in court or trying to contest it is futile, it's their word against yours and the PF will ALWAYS believe the boys in blue.

Yes it stinks, but so do the majority of speeding 'captures'. I attended court in Dumfries having been caught on camera doing 80 mph on the M74, that's 3 mph over the statutory guidelines (70 mph limit +10% for speedo error = max permissible of 77mph)

The camera operator swore on oath that he recognised me as the driver, from 9 months before and 900 metres away through a camera lens, and he targeted me as in his 'opinion' my vehicle was speeding. 

I tried to argue he couldn't possibly remember me from that far back in light of the number of vehicles he must have seen since. The prosecution came out with the memorable line 'Mr X is a trained operative with excellent recall, it is his job to remember drivers he observes breaking the law!'

Result? 6 points and a 60 quid fine.

 

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HairyHaggis.

I've located the sentencing guidelines for you :

From the Magistrates' Sentencing Guidelines:

Speed Limit  Excess Speed     Fine                         Points
20 or 30      Up to 10 MPH     Half Weeks Pay         3 Points 
                 11 - 20 MPH       Weeks Pay               4 or 5 Points or Disqualification up to 42 days 
                 21 - 30 MPH       Weeks Pay               6 Points or Disqualification upto 56 days 

40 or 50      Up to 15 MPH      Half Weeks Pay         3 Points 
                 16 - 25 MPH       Weeks Pay               4 or 5 Points or Disqualification up to 42 days
                 26 - 35 MPH       Weeks Pay               6 Points or Disqualification upto 56 days 

60 or 70      Up to 20 MPH      Half Weeks Pay        3 Points 
                 21 - 30 MPH        Weeks Pay              4 or 5 Points or Disqualification up to 42 days
                 31 - 40 MPH        Weeks Pay              6 Points or Disqualification upto 56 days 

"Please note that these are guidelines only and can vary from area to area, Please also note that these guidelines should be used as a starting point only. The fines/points may go up or down due to individual circumstances. In addition, costs will probably be added. Fines and points shown above include discount for guilty plea – If a "not guilty" plea is entered then if found guilty this will increase the above.

Speeds in excess of the above are subject to higher fines and/or longer disquals. Very high speeds are frequently charged as dangerous driving and a custodial sentence may be imposed".
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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

We should have a database on here for logging all the reggie numbers of plod cars, like they used to publish many moons ago in the Top Gear magazine.

What purpose did/would this serve.

No offence meant, i just don't see the point.
The illuminous decals, Blue lights on the roof and the word Police written on it are usually enough of a clue for me and if it's an unmarked car, by the time you've got your notebook out and crosschecked the reg no's PC Copper will be reading your rights

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Originally posted by m3tiko m3tiko wrote:

I'm living the live of a criminal as well....I got that dreaded pleading form. Just admitted to my offence of using handheld mobile whilst driving.

I'm told 3 points and a fine is the most probable. Hoping that due to my impeccable driving history of nil points till now will keep the fine at £60 and not more.

To be honest, I possibly could've argued the case as phone records would've proved I wasn't conversing. I was actually checking a text message whilst stationary at traffic lights.

I'm surprised at you to be honest, you always come across as so "straight".

You cannot hold a mobile phone if you are the driver,(or whilst your supervising a learner driver),whilst your engine is running and you are on the public highway, its as simple as that.

It must be one of the most publicised recently dreamt up pieces of sh*te this government has come out with.

People have been succesfully prosecuted for just handling a switched off phone, and this has even been reported in the news, and there has been at least one program on it I've heard on BBC radio two.

Put it in a cradle, and as long as you don't crash (or your driving isn't deemed to drop below the level of a safe and competant driver, by a cunstable), then you can do anything you want with it, text, look away from the road, make calls, even play games, the law is so stupid and badly thought out.

Its a crap law, in my opinion, others will dissagree of course, but a law it is

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Originally posted by HairyHaggis HairyHaggis wrote:

I am however going to the HQ to ask to see the video though, so that I can be at peace with myself.


With the information given and hopefully my correct maths - the video should be about 19.6 to 21.6 seconds long (depending on the said speed of 55 - 50 mph).

Is there a minimum time you need to be recorded to verify the speed?
(The fact that they've charged you suggests it's enough time)





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