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    Posted: 16-March-2010 at 16:28

Tother day my wife was driving along in her Mazda 6 diseasel. For some reason it decided to accellerate despite her foot not being on the accellerator. Due to a state of panic she didn't think to take it out of gear and she managed to stop it using the brakes. At this point the clutch was slipping like mad as the engine was reving hard, the car was still in gear and was stationary. Smoke was pouring out from under the bonnet. Big respect to the braking system!

AA Towed the car to the main dealer and they have just looked at it. The car starts and runs ok but the clutch is now fooked. No supprise there then.

The car is under warranty so when they find out what caused the engine to take on a life of it's own that should be covered. However, the clutch most definately isn't.

A snip at �720... 
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At least your Mrs is o.k. a clutch can be replaced somewhat more easily than a Mrs Fenwick.

Clutch might be an engine out job on a wrong wheel drive car, hence the big bill.

Let us know what went wrong with the diseasel.  Wonder if it started to run on its sump oil like the E39 530ds were prone too?  Casued by blocked turbo to sump oil breather pipes.
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I don't think it was drinking it's own oil as the engine stopped when the ignition was turned off.

A throttle position fault, a cruise control fault or perhaps the floor mat moving and covering the pedal?

No idea as yet but given she was able to turn it off i'm fairly confident that it isn't a turbo/oil issue.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

The car is under warranty so when they find out what caused the engine to take on a life of it's own that should be covered. However, the clutch most definately isn't.

A snip at �720... 

Surely, if there is a fault diagnosed that caused it to behave in this way and lunch the clutch, that is a byproduct of the fault and should therefore also be covered under the warranty?

It is most certainly the line I'd be taking.
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Originally posted by IamSpartacus IamSpartacus wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

The car is under warranty so when they find out what caused the engine to take on a life of it's own that should be covered. However, the clutch most definately isn't.

A snip at �720... 

Surely, if there is a fault diagnosed that caused it to behave in this way and lunch the clutch, that is a byproduct of the fault and should therefore also be covered under the warranty?

It is most certainly the line I'd be taking.



I wil consider this line once the problem is diagnosed. However had the clutch been depressed it would have been fine. The engine may not have however as the fact the car was in gear undoubtably stopped the engine revving to high too quickly.

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Originally posted by IamSpartacus IamSpartacus wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

The car is under warranty so when they find out what caused the engine to take on a life of it's own that should be covered. However, the clutch most definately isn't.

A snip at �720... 

Surely, if there is a fault diagnosed that caused it to behave in this way and lunch the clutch, that is a byproduct of the fault and should therefore also be covered under the warranty?

It is most certainly the line I'd be taking.

Ditto the above. Hold out for all you can get. It's not your wifes fault the car behaved the way it did (unless at the time she was putting on her lipstick and her makeup bag dropped on the pedal??)

Keep an open mind and see what they say. I would assume if it's an electrical fault there would be some kind of fault codes present.

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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

At least your Mrs is o.k. a clutch can be replaced somewhat more easily than a Mrs Fenwick.

Clutch might be an engine out job on a wrong wheel drive car, hence the big bill.

Let us know what went wrong with the diseasel.  Wonder if it started to run on its sump oil like the E39 530ds were prone too?  Casued by blocked turbo to sump oil breather pipes.

If she had it in gear and foot on the brakes then turned the ignition off, even if it was running on it's own oil, It may have stalled.

I have heard of the turbo seals going on some of the Merc diesels before too and same thing happens, runs on it's own oil till the sump runs dry then BANG!

Saw one that threw a conrod out the side of the block once but that was an extreme case.

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I know I'm a miserable old git .... but, the random use of electronics in cars must be curtailed !

What is wrong with a throttle cable ?

My mates 7 series takes the biscuit, it has electronics on the accelerator, then cable to another piece of electronics, that operates a motor, which operates a cable, which operates the throttle......wtf ?
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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

I know I'm a miserable old git .... but, the random use of electronics in cars must be curtailed !

What is wrong with a throttle cable ?

My mates 7 series takes the biscuit, it has electronics on the accelerator, then cable to another piece of electronics, that operates a motor, which operates a cable, which operates the throttle......wtf ?



I agree.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

I know I'm a miserable old git



I agree.


So do I

Seriously though, on my Volvo it has a throttle cable - on the newer model to mine it was replaced by an electronic throttle doo dah and they are prone to go wrong to the tune of about �260.  Less to go wrong with mine.
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Aye but electronic fripery weighs less, which means there is less to lug about, which means less CO2 ,which means the green brigade are happy.  It also means that we put less juice in the tank.

Besides if it is electronically controlled it means it can be interogated by diagnostics and therefore controlled by a black box and hence big brother can see what you've been up to and back out of any warranty repairs caused by owners miss use!



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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Aye but electronic fripery weighs less, which means there is less to lug about, which means less CO2 ,which means the green brigade are happy.  It also means that we put less juice in the tank.
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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

I know I'm a miserable old git .... but,
the random use of electronics in cars must be curtailed
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What is wrong with a throttle cable ?


My mates 7 series takes the biscuit, it has electronics
on the accelerator, then cable to another piece of
electronics, that operates a motor, which operates a cable,
which operates the throttle......wtf ?


I agree with you completely Nigel.
You are a miserable old git!

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