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Dergside
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Posted: 24-June-2011 at 18:38 |
Folks I'll be changing tyres on Mrs D's e91 318i shortly and am changing off runflats. Given that the wheels seem interchangeable between e36/e46/e9x, I presume that a 16" e46 spacesaver will be a suitable fit for an e91 on 16" alloys? Anyone with experience to confirm or deny? |
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Andrew Rolland
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Can't help with the q but I would be interested to hear how you get on with non runflats. Isn't the suspension set up designed to allow for the slightly stiffer runflat tyre? If you put softer tyres on it i.e. non runflats will the car then wallow around a bit more? Certainly the runflat rims will take non runflat tyres. Is there much of a price difference between non runflats and runflats for your E91? Price wise for me there is only a few ££ (like about £20) for the same make/model/size of tyre for mine. |
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Will keep you posted. The main reason for the change isn't price but more about comfort - although the premium for runflats is around 25% for Conti PremiumContacts. The e91 rides quite comfortably on smooth surfaces on runflats - better than I expected to be honest, but are a bit noisy - but when the going gets tough on some of our local country roads it gets very fidgety and ruffled. I'm sure that will be improved significantly by non-runflats. If the suspension is tuned for runflats then I'm not convinced that its very effective. I don't expect any adverse impact from the change but will report back on progress. I have the tryes but won't get them fitted for a couple of weeks yet. I have an e-mail from her insurer confirming that they have no issue with the change, once the ratings, etc. are the same. I'm not sure if that was necessary but there are a couple of reports of insurers looking for an out based on non standard tyres when claim time comes. I suspect they may be urban folklore but not worth taking a chance. |
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You have got everything to loose if you don't tell your insurance company about the change. Simply telling them can avoid a nasty suprise in the event of a claim. Is it out of warranty, if not, they may be interested to hear about your change. |
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I'm a dreadful heathen - on a whim I swapped the 225s on my E46 for 235s, same profile so 1.5% taller. I didn't see any difference at all in handling but there was a massive improvement in ride quality. I suppose I could have looked for stiff-walled 235s if I'd wanted to split the difference, but I just went for FK452s.
Let us know how the non-runflats do. |
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A few years ago Mrs D had a 318Ci running on style 44 17" star spokes while I had a 330Ci running on style 79's. Hers ran 225/45/17 and mine had 205/50/17. The 330 rode in a much more civilized fashion. Its amazing what a little extra sidwall does for comfort (and handling) for little discernible loss of grip. This time out, the tyres are 205/55/16 so there is plenty of sidewall. I'm fairly sure that losing the runflats (for which I have no particular fondness) will be enough to restore calm. Andrew, the car is a 2007 so warranty isn't an issue at this stage. If it was I' d probably have thought twice about making the change just yet. I probably won't make the switch for a few weeks yet. We'll have a decent holiday run down to Chamonix and back via the west coast of France to test them out in late August/September. Will report back after that on how they perform with a tail full of wine! |
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Best 'upgrade' you can make to a 3 series, better more comfortable and quieter ride, with better handling to boot and less of a drain on your pocket.
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Swapped on to the non run flats yesterday - Conti PremiumContacts. Wow. The improvement is even better than I expected. As new tyres you'd expect them to be a bit quieter than what they've replaced but the change on that score is better that I'd normally expect. Grip is improved as you'd expect - considering the old tyres were near their wear marks. The big difference is in ride quality. On less than perfect roads that are easy to find around my neck of the woods the composure is vastly improved. A series of surface blemishes don't unsettle the car like it did on the run flats. A mid bend bump doesn't echo through it to the cabin like on the run flats. If anything, the handling is improved as the bit of flexibility in the sidewalls communicates the progression of transition through corners, etc. even better. That might impact on the upper realms of absolute grip but I don't see that being an issue in daily driving. I tried it on the motorway too and it runs quietly, comfortably and as straight as a die. The net result is that the car now rides with a smoothness and composure that puts it far closer to my beloved e39 than any e36 or e46 I've yet driven. Other than souricing a spacesaver for it I can't see any downsides so far. |
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Good stuff. Let us know how you get in a few more thousand miles time. |
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Great - I'll know what to fit if/when I ascend to the heady realms of E91 ownership!
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Just back last weekend from a jolly jaunt around France in the e91. Covered about 2k miles in the trip and now have about 3k miles on the non-run flats. Happy to say that the feedback on the change continues to be positive. Ride quality and handling continue to impress. The only downside at this stage is that there isn't a proper place for a spacesaver wheel. It seems that there is a plastic cover riveted (with pastic rivets) to the floor of the boot where the spacesaver would go in an equivalent e46. I haven't been able to confirm yet if there is a cavity beneath it that might be sufficient for a wheel and would like to know a bit more before I go wrecking the place! If anyone has already investigated I'd appreciate hearing what you found.
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