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    Posted: 03-November-2012 at 12:22
Why are you using 16mm or 18mm Hex heads on screws?

W H Y ????

no standard tool kit contains a 16 or 18mm socket.

I know I should have anticipated it, but why would one think that there is an 18mm hex bolt holding the brake calipers to the strut?

Do I need to read a manual for EVERYTHING before I can carry out a simple job on a BMW?

What usually takes me 2 hours ( changing front disks and pads) has again turned out to be a whole Saturday morning because I have to take my motorhome (all I got this morning) to drive to Halfrods to buy a 18mm socket!

Not enough that other "simple" bolts are all torx (thanks BMW, I have bought sets of these.....), now I have to buy all other odd sizes of sockets as well.

What's next? 18.5mm??

NO BMW, you will NOT stop me to work on my car MYSELF! I am not going to pay £80-90 per hour to get some screws undone.

rant over.

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Edited by UweM3 - 03-November-2012 at 12:22
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andrew Rolland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-November-2012 at 12:59
Smart @r$ response....
 
My socket set has an 18mm socket.....
 
Did you not read my link?  It tells you that you need an 18mm socket?LOL
 
I think the rule for sizing bolt heads is 1.5 times shank dia.  12 mm thread = 18 mm hex head.
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^ although that doesn't figure for 16 mm hex heads.  I remember doing the rear anti roll bar links on my E39 and having to use two 16 mm open ended spanners to do the job.  I had never used a 16 mm spanner before and I think it was 16 and 18 mm spanners needed to move the drive belt tensioners again on the E39....
 
Everything I had done before on Fords and GMs was always 15 mm, 17 mm etc.....  I know where you are coming from.
 
Suspension ball joint nuts are all 21 mm that's a more standard size innit?
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Just out of interest what make of disc and pad did you put back on?
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Well new standars on ordinary bolts come fore a couple of years ago. 19>18  17>16 and so on.
I have a complete set of tools and more then that fore proffisional use as I work with cars untill 1998. When a need to change starter on my 316G biogas i need to buy new tools fore about £80 and ½ size its no good to use anymore its 3/8 today , ½ is to big to use on modern cars.
 
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this is a german car. German rules!

12mm bolt = 19mm hex. Always was.

10mm bolt = 17mm hex

8mm bolt = 13mm hex.


and there is no 11mm hex either (hello water pump and thermostat...)

I bet they do this with the BMW garages in mind to put people off DIY.

Conspiracy rules

PS I have used disks and pads from www.c3bmw.co.uk.
Meyle is the make. Working ok so far.

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BMW now manufactures car components in China. Does that tell you anything?
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Originally posted by Howard Howard wrote:

BMW now manufactures car components in China. Does that tell you anything?



I work with Companies that manufacture in China and the chinese will supply what you ask them for......

Be it dimensional or material.
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Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

I work with Companies that manufacture in China and the chinese will supply what you ask them for......
 
Be it dimensional or material.
 
Unless it is bridge components made from poor grade material which I believe was covered up with forged paperwork to state otherwise......
 
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My last 728i had to have new springs changed within 13 months and 20K miles. BMW said that the car was 12 years old and one should expect things to wear out on such an old car. The fact that I had replaced the original springs with genuine new BMW ones was mentioned in the correspondence. After 4 broken springs in 2 years, I asked Alpina where their springs were made - the reply was "In Germany" So I fitted these and had no problems in 35K miles. The AA men who picked up my car on three occasions said that all companies who had their springs made in China were having problems. He had most problems with Ford and BMW cars. BMW have at least 2 car plants in China and have been purchasing parts from China for many years. Form your own conclusions. 
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Originally posted by Howard Howard wrote:

BMW have at least 2 car plants in China and have been purchasing parts from China for many years. Form your own conclusions. 



I repeat, they make what you ASK them for.

If the penny pinchers at BMW don't want to spend more money for better material, it's hardly the fault of the cinese.

Do you really believe that a company like BMW would be conned by cheap chinese material substituted for the expensive one they asked (and paid) for??? And just watch how their reputation as a quality car manufacturer goes down the drain?
BMW knows exactly what they are doing. It's called value engineering. In plain english, produce as cheap as you can with juuuuust meeting the level of performance of an item required. Sometimes they push this too far...

Look around you, there is a LOT of stuff made in China around you which performs absolutely flawless.


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Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Look around you, there is a LOT of stuff made in China around you which performs absolutely flawless.
But not for very long Stern Smile
 
Todays market is to make it cheap and sell it cheap.
 
The consumer - i.e. us - buy it, use it and when it breaks, throw it away and buy another.
 
That is now the way of our world.
 
 
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You should work in a garage, I have around 20 large red tool boxes to choose from with every tool you could possibly imagine. Sorry, I know you were ranting but somewhere there is always some smug git you want to slap so I thought on this occasion it would be me lol.
On a more serious note though, my wife bought me a Halfrauds tool kit a few years back and that goes from 6mm up to 19mm so cant understand why all of them don't go that high. Look on the bright side, at least you now have a socket not many other people have ;-)

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