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    Posted: 31-December-2012 at 13:27
Hi guys,
 
Apologies for posting what has probably been posted many times before but there was only so much trawling through historical posts I could cope with.
 
I recently bought an E46 (April 2000) 318i saloon. A couple of weeks ago, a plastic cooling pipe split, so the engine dumped all the coolant on to the road. I got the car home safely and had the pipe and coolant replaced. So far, so good.
 
Now I find that, whilst the engine gets up to temperature quickly and stays at the halfway mark initially, after about 10 miles, the needle will suddenly fly up to and beyond the red. At no point does the (electric) radiator fan kick in.
 
Steps taken so far:
 
1. Split pipe replaced, system flushed, coolant refilled (by local garage)
2. Thermostat removed. (Not yet replaced)
3. Coolant temperature sensor replaced.
 
There is no evidence of water loss or air locks that I am aware of. It's getting mightily hot under the bonnet, so I would have expected the fan to have started, as I believe it will only start once reacing a given temperature.
 
Is there a simple way (i.e. no specialist tools) to test the fan? Can I force the fan to start when the engine is cold/not running? I can see three wires going into the fan assembly. If I unplug that connection, can I put a battery across the connections to try and fire up the fan? If so, which terminals do I need to connect to? Can I/should I wire the fan to run constantly?
 
I don't want to be replacing parts if they're not faulty but am now nervous about driving the car because I'm constantly looking at the temperature gauge.
 
Yours nervously,
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Hi and welcome to the forum.  Don't worry about posting again.  Always worth a new thread for a new problem.
 
Not being familiar with under the bonnet of a 4 pot but is the electric fan mounted on the engine side of the radiator or the bumper side of the radiator?
 
If it is the latter then that fan might only work in connection with the air con being on.  As was the case with the 6 pot engines.
 
However I think it is more likely that you do not have a viscous fan and instead have an electric one like the set up in my car.  I think I have only ever heard my electric fan kick in when stationary on a proper hot day and with the air con on.
 
You could try and find the plug for the fan and disconnect it and put 12V accross the terminals in the plug to test the fan however I do not think the problem is caused by your fan not working
 
I would be worried about the engine.  If you drove it home with no coolant you may have overheated the engine and warped the cylinder head.  A warped cylinder head and hence leaking cylinder head gasket will over heat the car even if you have re filled the system.
 
The reasons I think this has happened are.
At this time of year you drive with the heater on.  When driving with the heater with a thermostat removed the car should never get hot enough for the temp gauge to get to the half way point.
A car with a thermostat removed will constantly run cold and the temp gauge should never get to the vertical position.  If it is going to the red with the 'stat removed, I would bet that this is due to a warped head and blown gasket, the cooling system is being heated up by combustion gasses leaking into the water passages in the block/head via the gasket.
 
If the head has warped you can check for (white ish deposits) mayonaise under the oil filler cap, water in the oil when you pull out the dip stick, loss of coolant and bubbles appearing in the coolant when the engine is running.
 
Get your local garage to do a pressure test on each cylinder, a warped head would show up as a loss of pressure on 1 or more cylinders.
 
If the head is warped then I'm afraid it's big money to sort.  Get a garage to check it out first.  Let us know how you get on.
 
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Thanks Andrew.
The fan is electric, mounted on the engine side of the radiator.
The heater now pumps air out that makes the cab space slightly hotter that Hades.
The car wasn't run with no coolant, although my 30 mile journey home took 6 hours, going a couple of miles at a time, stopping to cool (before the needle rose), topping up and continuing.
 
It sounds like I did the damage trying to get home. I, too, am concerned that the head is buggered. That being the case, I fear a skimming operation or a replacement . either way, I also fear a humungous bill.
 
Made a single entry in my diary after posting this. Said simply, "Bugger".
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Get a garage to check it out, you may have to score out your last diary entry if the garage can find an easy fix.
 
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I've not been able to get to the garage but did run the engine on the drive today to get it up to temperature. Top hose was hot but not the bottome hose. Disconnecting the hoses and blowing through showed the radiator to be clear, so I have now fitted a new water pump.
 
I now have a new naive issue; how to refit the serpentine belt? For the life of me, I can't see how to loosen the tensioner. The engine is a 1.9 petrol manual, M43. The tensioner is below and to the left of the alternator. It seems to have 3 fixings: 2 socket screws & a 13mm hex bolt, bottom left. I can't move the socket screws at all and loosning the 13mm bolt seemed to do nothing.
 
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See the 13mm bolt that does nothing.  Stick a spanner on it and twist it in each direction until the tensioner moves to a position to get the belt back on over the pulleys.  Or put a spanner on the centre bolt of the pulley and try and move the tensioner.
 
You are trying to pivot the tensioner about an axis that is about 2 o'clock from the centre of the pulley I think.
 
Sorry I'm trying to remember what I did on my E39.  From memory the bolt head that you put the spanner on the turn the whole tensioner body looks like it is bonded to the body of the tensioner i.e. the bolt head is integral with the tensioner body.
 
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