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    Posted: 02-July-2004 at 08:58

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Having gained membership to the IAM in my manual Vauxhall Vectra I have asked.....and recieved some advice on the IAM forum regarding advanced driving and the automatic gearboxes.

In my BMW handbook I am advised to avoid leaving the car idling in park or neutral, as excesive gearbox wear would result, I have had this confirmed by my local dealer, but I didnt really understand the reasons why this excessive wear would occur.

Could some knowledgeable mechanical type be kind enough to explain why this should happen, peferrably in words of one sylabol, so I can attempt to grasp an understanding of the subject ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-July-2004 at 09:03
if you are going to keep the car for 30 years maybe. I would believe the wear to be negligable and far less than actually driving the damn car anyway. tosh and poppycock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-July-2004 at 11:44
I would think it would wear less rather than leaving it in Drive when in standing traffic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-July-2004 at 20:30

There have been cases of autos that have been held at high revs for a prolonged period in N or D, sustaining damage.

This can happen without warning, I have heard about complete loss of drive after stationery high revs after a rolling road session.

I think that going between drive and neutral can cause damage due to the ball that seals an orifice being belted against the end of it's travel, so it's recommended to remain in drive when at traffic lights etc.

I feel guilty sometimes sitting with my foot on the brake pedal, as it upsets the driver behind, but you it's better than the car pulling itself down on the suspension with the handbrake hard on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-July-2004 at 23:20
If you leave it in D, then its the torque convetor that is doing all the work, if you leave it in P or N then its the gearbox itself that is taking the strain.

If you have to tow an auto, you can't go above 30 and for only a short while (its all written in the owners handbook)

Gearboxes aren't cheap either 450 for a recon box, it's not nice when the fourth gear clutch dissintergrates..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-July-2004 at 23:30

Only experience I have had of a gearbox problem relating to leaving it in drive whilst idling but stationary was my Turbo Supra.  It used to be very bad when cold, start the car put into drive and wait anything up to 5 mins for it to engage and when it did engage, the differential got one almighty kick.  The car wasn't too high miles, 160k on a 1991 reg.  After many months of this problem that had stumped everybody, I did eventually find out what the problem was. 

Not sure how the BMW autobox is set up like but the Toyota autobox has a double cooler/intercooler.  Seems the system is at fault.  The fluid overheats when the engine is warm, then overcools when stood overnight.  This in turn messes up the autobox ECU and things start to argue and you don't get to move very quickly til the autobox warms to normal temp.

That is the only problem I have ever come across concerning an autobox.  I can't see how leaving an autobox in drive whilst idling in traffic would do any harm to it, apart from overheat the oil, which would happen anyway regardless of which gear was selected.

Seems far fetched but then, like most things, I guess it is possible that an autobox could have wear problems just like everything else on the car.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-July-2004 at 23:50

The book doesnt say leaving it in drive is the problem.

Its leaving it in neutral or park, with the engine running.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-July-2004 at 23:53

If that was the case then surely every time you took the car to the garage for an MOT, the box would suffer cos of the amount of time it remains in park or neutral while emissions are done and all the other checks needed for MOT are carried out with the engine running.

Seems very weird, but then I spose alot also depends on the condition of the box and how well its been cared for in respect to service intervals etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-July-2004 at 00:13
I've been advised to leave it in D, I only put it in P when I stop to get out. I don't realy understand the mechanics of it, I just know how much it cost me to get it fixed and well under 130k miles

Its a good idea to check the oil every now and again, should be a nice clear cherry red, levels should be checked while engine is runing as well.
When mine broke shortly after I bought it, I took the sump pan off the boottom and you couldn't see the magnets for metal filings (there should be two magnets in the bottom) The oil was also like runny tar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-July-2004 at 19:23

-yuk! No wonder it broke....... I bet the filter was clogged too.

-did your car have an FSH? If so, please let us know who the 'servicing' was done by, so we can add them to the list.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-July-2004 at 22:47

There is some information regarding transmission conditions for emissions testing etc on the BMW TIS.

For those that have got this, it is under SI 24091000 and is described as transmission failure under emissions testing.

Hope this helps.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-July-2004 at 00:05
less of a filter, more of a plug. I don't know who did the servicing before me I'm afraid.
Its ok to leavae an auto in P or N for a short while as long as you don't rev the engine too much if at all.
You can't dyno test an auto either. (I wanted to know what the output of mine was after I fitted an induction kit) Anyway, I'm not bothered now, it gets me around until I get rid of it for something bigger.

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