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stealthangel 
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 Topic: locking nut
Posted: 26-July-2004 at 01:35 |
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i have misplaced my locking nut. can someone please advice me on what i can do to remove the old ones and replce them with new ones???. thnaks
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Deathace
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Don’t stick keys in electrical sockets.
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 10:45 |
If they were fitted by BMW you may be able to phone them and see if they can get a duplicate key based on any information they have on their system. However this maybe a long shot but worth trying first.
If you had these fit after manufacturing you may have a serial number or code number for them to phone the manufacturer of the nuts up and get a duplicate key.
If the nuts are the ones with the black flat key that pushes into the end of the nut and the locking nut cap comes off and then you use a regular wheel brace to undo the nut then you will be able to split the cap with a hammer and chisel to obliterate the caps and then remove them normally and replace with a new set of locking wheel nuts.
If the nuts are the type that have the holes in the top of the nut and you have to use a metal key that you put on and then the wheel brace on top of you will need to get these professionally split or drilled out.
hope this helps
Russ
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1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.
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Badger 540
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 12:50 |
There was a chap in the stealers a few weeks back with the same problem. The service manager went outside with a box of spline keys till they found the correct one.
They are only a couple or three quid, but there are only a limited number of key combinations. 
In my opinion, they are not the best security for your wheels because of the key availability. Better to go for some something like the McGard ones (as supplied to AC Schnitzer OEM I believe) which have many more combinations, while replacement key adaptors have to be ordered direct from the manufacturer.
The bolts themselves are available from Hellfrauds at around £30 a set.
Andy West Midlands
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stealthangel
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 14:08 |
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i forgot to mention, they are non standard bmw locking nuts. help desparately needed. thanks
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e34m5
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 16:16 |
I am sure most competent tyre fitters would be able to remove them without too much trouble, my local first stop tyres branch has a box with loads of different locking wheel keys. Or if not I bet Russ could be persuaded to come out of retirement (I am sure he used to be a car thief) 
Miles
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Nigel
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 16:39 |
 e34m5 wrote:
I am sure most competent tyre fitters would be able to remove them without too much trouble, my local first stop tyres branch has a box with loads of different locking wheel keys. Or if not I bet Russ could be persuaded to come out of retirement (I am sure he used to be a car thief)
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Daddy Cool seems to have the same ability to remove wheels !!
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Best Wishes
Nigel
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Deathace
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Don’t stick keys in electrical sockets.
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 17:19 |
Lol @ Miles
Does pleading the 5th work in the UK :)
Russ
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1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.
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Deathace
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Don’t stick keys in electrical sockets.
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 17:25 |
Oh on a different note if anyone has problems getting in to their car, alarm, immobiliser, security problems etc i think its best you just PM me that way it saves me going into graphic detail publically and making Miles more certain of me having a mis-spent childhood.  (j/k mods/lawmen).
Russ
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1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.
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jontunstall
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 17:35 |
Had this problem two weeks ago, depends on the type - if they are internal spline type use a gatorgrip you know the one of the infomercials -apparently it works.
The other method is to use a socket and litteraly smash it on to the outer of the locking wheel nut creating your own nut - socket needs to be a 12 point but it works...
If you get lucky you'll get all four with one socket if not you could end up using four. Took me 20 mins not rushing and got away with the one.
good luck
Jon
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Deathace
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 17:44 |
I would try and hold off from smashing too hard as you dont want to knacker or buckle the hub/disc as a result of too much force hence the least amount of impact is to split/drill the old bolts out.
Russ
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1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
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Brucey
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Posted: 26-July-2004 at 18:23 |
-you can buy a tool like a socket but with an internal left-hand thread. This will fit over the outside of the nut (provided you have a little clearance) and will enable the nut to be removed. A lot of tyre places have these as the problem is common.
cheers
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stealthangel
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Posted: 28-July-2004 at 22:14 |
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thanks all for your ideas and help. i finally went to Orbit tyres in wellingborough, who effortlessly removed the locking nuts and ordered a new set for me. i now guard the new locking key like gold.
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Badger 540
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Posted: 28-July-2004 at 22:39 |
There was a nausiating picture in a BMW magazine a few months back, showing a boot lid that had been cut back with tinsnips in an attempt to get the locking key for the wheels.
Luckily, the culprits were disturbed and left the wheels on the car.
The lengths that the illegitimate darlings will go to just to relieve the owner of their pride and joy is beyond words.
 Andy West Midlands
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briana
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Posted: 29-July-2004 at 00:20 |
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e34m5
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Posted: 29-July-2004 at 00:27 |
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As long as they are from a E39 they will fit straight on without any problems.
Miles
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