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Rhys
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Posted: 05-June-2003 at 17:40 |
Got the chip today, will be fitting over the weekend. Will keep you posted of results.
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nickp
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Posted: 05-June-2003 at 22:56 |
Looking forward to hearing the results Rhys. Just got myself a new car.. '88 325ise auto Will be making a few mods once i have a bit of cosmetic work done. Going to lower(a little), some new wheels(maybe 17's), and possibly a chip. Not sure if i'm going to need a brake upgrade though with the chip. Good luck with the fitting!!! |
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Omi318is
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Posted: 06-June-2003 at 00:41 |
Thought I might squeeze this in the Mods topic... Need new pads, the light's been flashing on the dash for a day or two now. - What do we recommend for good hot and cold stopping power? Just for road use (occasionally quite quick road use) but something that will last a track day as well? Also tyre recommendations, as I can't afford the rims I want at the minute I'll have to replace the 14"ers... Car as below. :) Cheers! |
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graham325isport
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Posted: 06-June-2003 at 10:17 |
Omi, I've got a set of 15inch BBs cross spoke for sale off my 325 Sport, They are in very good condition with good tyres (Michelin) Email me if your interested. Cheers mate Turnyg@aol.com |
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dlg_e30
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Posted: 06-June-2003 at 13:25 |
This makes perfect sense i cant understand why people are questioning this? In sportscar racing the cars are some times fitted with restrictors to limit the power available, all these do is limit the amountof air the engine can get, so by opening up the throttle housing i would imagine you would get better air flow.
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David
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Posted: 06-June-2003 at 13:46 |
dlg_e30: you have hit the nail on the head. BMW are commonly known for restricting cars just to satisfy the insurance banding, you only have to look at the latest M3`s to verify this, they are limited to 155mph when we all know they will do 170mph all day long !!
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dlg_e30
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Posted: 07-June-2003 at 09:59 |
Cheers, thought it made sense!
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David
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b318isp
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Posted: 09-June-2003 at 10:48 |
Sorry, I still don't accept it. The 155mph is a gentlman's agreement and electronically done - it has nothing to do with the throttle body. We are talking about road cars not track cars too. I am quite familiar with tuning E30's and throttle body modifications are of no benefit without other engine breathing mods such as cams & valve work and often need fueling work too. I can't help thinking that this is spamming the board with unsubstantiated devices. |
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Posted: 09-June-2003 at 11:37 |
listen, if you have any knowledge of performance on the M20 engine and yet dont accept a throttle body mod will tield more power then i doubt anyone will ever take anything you have to say seriously my friend.
without the wanting to upset you in any way i have to make it clear that this mod works, AND IT WORKS WELL !!!!!!! by opening the throttle body and fitting the larger butterfly you yield more flow of air creating a better burn of air and fuel which makes for more power. if your still having trouble getting your head round this you can pop over to my place and i`ll fit one to your car free of charge for a trial and if you feel no difference we can do a before and after power run at my local rolling road. if there is no gain by the throttle body i will pay you your fuel, the rolling road costs and 100 for yourself as a daily wage. if the throttle body yield an increase you just cover your own expenses and the rolling road (around 40 for both runs)
is this fair ? |
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b318isp
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Posted: 09-June-2003 at 13:12 |
I understand the principles of what you are talking about and they do work with other mods but you need to substantiate the improvements on its own.
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Webdunk
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Posted: 09-June-2003 at 13:30 |
I agree with b318isp (although I do not feel e30gumball is spamming). I think our problem here is one of context and of demonstrated results. This mod is reputed to be particularly effective on the 328i (hence my interest on the other thread). The reason for this is the throttle body / manifold on that particularly engine was used to artificially introduce power restriction in order that the 328i fell into a particular German tax bracket. Therefore the mod you propose has the potential to realise particularly noticeable gains on a 328i. If I am interpreting what I have read correctly, then the theory should hold on other models, but the result is unlikely to be as pronounced as on the 328i hence b318isp's healthy (IMHO) scepticism and inference that further 'breathing' mods will be required in order to fully develop any gains. As I've said before Dyno plots would help, as would owners with this mod fitted. I looked on the forum you suggested and could see plenty of interest, but no success stories - perhaps I used the wrong search term(s)? |
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Posted: 09-June-2003 at 13:49 |
I`ll get a few owners to post here with there findings. I would doubt the difference on the e30 would be as substantial as on the 328i car as like you sais, it was restricted highly from bmw using this method of tighter ports. Of course changing the air flow meter as well as the air filter makes a good gain, and then you can match the ports on the inlet manifold to the head as well gaining good healthy increases. A great upgrade making for the best (engine in job) would be to change the throttle body, match the inlet ports and change the air flow meter and filter. This will transform the car in many respects. |
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