Over to you Tommy (Shorty).

I propose a date from May onwards so we improve chances of good weather. Sooner we contact Willie the better.

M 8LUR (Jon B)

Put my name down.. What would be the plans for the day as never been to one before??

If the dates are right I'll be there, count me in.

Webdunk wrote: And remember... notes of interest mean nothing. Money talks. Get your cash to James so we can firm this up.

Was there not talk of setting up a paypal account to make it easier?

330dse wrote: Webdunk wrote: And remember... notes of interest mean nothing. Money talks. Get your cash to James so we can firm this up. Was there not talk of setting up a paypal account to make it easier?

Thats getting done a.s.a.p

Is this restricted to BMW cars only?

Paul

Webdunk wrote: Traditionally this has been open to : a : b : any BWWCC member in any car c : All entrants at the organiser's discretion.

Cool. Count me in as long as it's not the weekend starting 13th May.

Paul

M 8LUR

Alanross

215Ms

Gordon

M3CSL

I'd appreciate it guys if you could hold off any further discussion until such time as I have accurate information back from Crail on dates and prices. Tommy will post the info up here once we have chosen a date that doesn't clash with the seasons events and we have got a price.

Thanks.

M BLUR wrote: Time too for the commitee to put its' money where it's mouth is..comes on guys.. lead by example etc etc..

These events don't just happen - the committee spend a lot of time (voluntarily) and expense (out of their own pockets) to organise them. Obviously we try to attend where practical.

I think if you were to look back at who attended meetings in the past, you'll probably find that the committee have attended almost every meet

Like Webdunk, I find your comments unfunny and before you ask, I'm not having a SOHF.

Sorry - how many names did you have for last year's KH?

You'd think you were the only one disappointed!

ENOUGH GENTLEMEN!!!!

This is not setting a good example to any new members or potential members that read the forum. I understand both points of view and I think that this could all quickly be resolved if computers weren't involved. We are a team, both committee and non-committee members and as such we all have to work together to achieve our goals.

To be clear, we will hold an earlier track event at Crail subject to their being sufficient numbers. Jon B I'd appreciate it if you could start another thread and canvas people to attend, as I mentioned before we need at least 15 names to be able to run this event. I am looking for a list at the top of the thread amended every time someone indicates they will attend to show progress. I only want to have people listed if they are willing to pay up front, they can always sell their place and reclaim their money if the dates don't work for them once they are available.

In the interim I will be chasing Crail for dates and costs and feed these back through Tommy as soon as is possible.

nero wrote: I'm not having a SOHF.

whats a SOHF ?

BMBits.co.uk wrote: ENOUGH GENTLEMEN!!!! This is not setting a good example to any new members or potential members that read the forum. I understand both points of view and I think that this could all quickly be resolved if computers weren't involved. We are a team, both committee and non-committee members and as such we all have to work together to achieve our goals. To be clear, we will hold an earlier track event at Crail subject to their being sufficient numbers. Jon B I'd appreciate it if you could start another thread and canvas people to attend, as I mentioned before we need at least 15 names to be able to run this event. I am looking for a list at the top of the thread amended every time someone indicates they will attend to show progress. I only want to have people listed if they are willing to pay up front, they can always sell their place and reclaim their money if the dates don't work for them once they are available. In the interim I will be chasing Crail for dates and costs and feed these back through Tommy as soon as is possible.

Ok.. ok... Big font, bold, red and underlined.. Dr Evil has spoken.. all I can say is 'he started it..'  Oh I.. I'm sure without computers Dunc and I would have donned gummys & some pads and settled this much more sensibly..

New thread up and running as requested Jim.

I'll be the first to put my name up and happy to pay my amount for Crail (as I did this year but was refunded due to lack of interest.. what, what.. I'm not saying nothing..) if for no reason than to shut some critics up (..what?)

Thanks Jon. Put my name up as second, all monies can be taken in via the Paypal button once it's up and running in early January.

Cheers,

Cheers Jim,

I'll also have a look around for a FAQ to track days.. I did one ages back but there are better ones kicking around. I think there's a good one that Nick uses for Croft. This will be helpful for newbies who want to dip their toe for the first time.. Perhaps this can be added to track day links on the club website.

What about you Wendy.. be great to see the SportEVO going round again. I'm sure Toby would like to see you back for a re-match.. I just know he's smarting after the Rr day wth you on supermarket filth and it'd make a great sight.

I'll try and convince Colin gallie to bring his 2002.. now that would be great to see. Don't we have 2 now in the region?

What would be great is if we get the same diversity of cars we had at this year's RR.. the different sights and sounds... ahh.. and another CSL at Crail..a real treat for watchers. Also nice for the DVD.. not that I have any hidden agenda.

Hi,

3 definites and 5 possibles. 7 places left to fill.

Can the following, who expressed an interest, plz confirm. Thx.

Alanross (Alan), 215Ms (Toby), M3CSL (Paul) , 330Dse (Steve)

Add me to the list.

Paul Anderson, Edinburgh, tbc

I will def. come if I am around.....but planning a holiday in May. No dates fixed yet though.

John F

M3CSL wrote: Add me to the list. Paul Anderson, Edinburgh, tbc

We all hope it's the CSL Paul.

Got it fixed Tob.

Tommy - can u confirm dates/schedules etc ASAP with committee/Willie. Please note requests for oval track/skid pan as well for drift/skid/oversteer practive. If poss a whole day event like last time would be gr8 as this may be our only track event. If poss also include quarter mile which more could enter I'm sure.

We're still short of 2-3 notes of interest and 5 confirmations in total. However it's early days and pick up has been very good so I'm sure we'll fill the last few places very soon. Worth posting on the NE region forum?

Following still to confirm, of which I can confirm Col's 2002 once dates released.

3. Alanross (PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID

m3Cecotto wrote: And me and me pimpmobile - no Sundays please

Unfortunately Sundays is the most likely day for Crail but I'll let Shorty confirm as he's in charge of arrangements.

M BLUR wrote: Got it fixed Tob. Tommy - can u confirm dates/schedules etc ASAP with committee/Willie. Please note requests for oval track/skid pan as well for drift/skid/oversteer practive. If poss a whole day event like last time would be gr8 as this may be our only track event. If poss also include quarter mile which more could enter I'm sure. We're still short of 2-3 notes of interest and 5 confirmations in total. However it's early days and pick up has been very good so I'm sure we'll fill the last few places very soon. Worth posting on the NE region forum? Following still to confirm, of which I can confirm Col's 2002 once dates released. 3. Alanross (PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID 8. 2002EVO (PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID 11. M3Cecotto (JBeattie, Edinburgh, PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID

Jon just been on " crail " website there season starts in feb so will have time to speak about this at Perth with the commitee guys  & yourself.

M BLUR wrote: 11. M3Cecotto (JBeattie, Edinburgh, PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID

OK.  Confirm me.  If it turns out I can't go and nobody else wants the place so be it.  I'll pay up front.

Oh, and by the way, I'll bloody "Edinburgh" you. "Glasgow" please.  I'm firmly of the school that believes that the only decent thing to come out of Edinburgh is the Glasgow train.

There we are, can opened.  Worms everywhere.

M BLUR wrote: M3CSL wrote: Add me to the list. Paul Anderson, Edinburgh, tbc We all hope it's the CSL Paul.

I'll bring it up, however will being driving something else for the trackday.

Would it be worthwhile for the commitee to post a set of BMWCCGB Scottish Region Track Day rules?

My understanding from the last visits was quite clear - no overtaking unless the car in front has indicated to let you past, likewise drivers who have a car behind which is clearly looking to get past MUST move over (and slow down temporarily if reqd). In other words, it's not a race against each other, its a chance to take your own vehicle around a track as fast as you feel comfortable with.

Added benefit is this also allows for drifting competitions at the start corner

If these rules were to change then the risk of damage to your vehicle by someone other than yourself is significantly increased (obviously you can't completely eliminate risk). In which case I wouldn't be taking my motor on.

330dse wrote: Would it be worthwhile for the commitee to post a set of BMWCCGB Scottish Region Track Day rules? My understanding from the last visits was quite clear - no overtaking unless the car in front has indicated to let you past, likewise drivers who have a car behind which is clearly looking to get past MUST move over (and slow down temporarily if reqd). In other words, it's not a race against each other, its a chance to take your own vehicle around a track as fast as you feel comfortable with. Added benefit is this also allows for drifting competitions at the start corner If these rules were to change then the risk of damage to your vehicle by someone other than yourself is significantly increased (obviously you can't completely eliminate risk). In which case I wouldn't be taking my motor on.

Great idea.

m3Cecotto wrote: OK.  Confirm me.  If it turns out I can't go and nobody else wants the place so be it.  I'll pay up front. Oh, and by the way, I'll bloody "Edinburgh" you. "Glasgow" please.  I'm firmly of the school that believes that the only decent thing to come out of Edinburgh is the Glasgow train. There we are, can opened.  Worms everywhere.

Cheers m8.

Gr8 comment.. can't agree but as I reside half way between you both I'll sit on that fence..

330dse wrote: Would it be worthwhile for the commitee to post a set of BMWCCGB Scottish Region Track Day rules? If these rules were to change then the risk of damage to your vehicle by someone other than yourself is significantly increased (obviously you can't completely eliminate risk). In which case I wouldn't be taking my motor on.

I'll post up the BDD guidelines I got from Nick Wright for Croft as a start for the committee to approve and a note for the rest of us.

Steve - definitely no racing. Hazardous driving will be cautioned and possibly drivers may be black flaged by organisers.. but it's fair to say all mbrs would be given a longish rope with the aim of encouraging safe driving amongst newbies.You'll remember last time and there were no problems appart from Banzai Wendy..  Like then we'll want to keep it as open and fun as possible but certainly, anyone treating it like NASCAR will be off to have a 'chat'.

For drifting I suggest we run that as a seperate session (especially if we have the whole day). IMHO you want fewer cars on at the same time while everyone runs with wider intervals. If you cross those trying to drive fast laps and those trying to get the back end out on the last hairpin then it could all go a bit pete tong. Remember - we may be able to organise the drag, oval and skid pan as well.

M3CSL wrote: I'll bring it up, however will being driving something else for the trackday.

Still hopefully a bimmer Paul..??

shorty wrote: Jon just been on " crail " website there season starts in feb so will have time to speak about this at Perth with the commitee guys  & yourself.

Thanks Tommy

m3Cecotto wrote: OK.  Confirm me.  If it turns out I can't go and nobody else wants the place so be it.  I'll pay up front.

635csi ??

M BLUR wrote: M3CSL wrote: I'll bring it up, however will being driving something else for the trackday. Still hopefully a bimmer Paul..??

Probably one of those BMW Elises

Oh dear.. oh dear.. Lotus plastic track rockets being the last thing I want to see.. I'll PM you.. I wanted a pop at the CSL not be lapped 50 times by an airfix kit with an engine..

M3CSL wrote: The CSL is way way quicker than an Elise.

In skilled hands sure but on a tight twisty track like Crail.. very easy to go very quickly in the Elise..

I'd have much rather follow you up pit straight.. power to weight of the 2 cars being about the same now.. and lose your tail on the twisties.. just need to mod the final diff to get similar gearing at the top end.

Elise.. I'll let ya past on the twisties and catch you back up on the back straight...only to let you go by again... yada yada yada..

If only Elise available Paul then, as much as it pains me to say it.., just bring it along.. all mbrs welcome.. bimmers more welcome than most..

Be good to meet you finally.

BR,

M BLUR wrote: I'd have much rather follow you up pit straight.. power to weight of the 2 cars being about the same now.. and lose your tail on the twisties.. just need to mod the final diff to get similar gearing at the top end. Elise.. I'll let ya past on the twisties and catch you back up on the back straight...only to let you go by again... yada yada yada..

Jon - just remind us again, the purpose of these days are about learning about the handling of your own car and not about racing others  - yes?

Yes Neil.. but I made no reference to "racing".. quote me I'm wrong (I'm sure you will try).

Me thinks you're confusing banter...  Of course everyone (who goes on BDDs and track days) likes to see how they stack up against others and I was clearly describing the different abilities of the Elise vs. ZM. One is a track-biased lightweight.. the other heavier road-biased muscle. And I mean the cars..

BUT you are right.. the main aim is to have fun while being courteous to others, not racing. Please see the guide on the appropriate thread.

We of course appreciate your taking photos at such events but does your input here mean we can expect to see you out on track.. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/tv/chewinthefat/media/download_sounds/banterboys.wav - Banter?

(Click to play)

coupe king wrote: What might be fun, is one of those electronic gizmos that measures the 0-60 times and 1/4 miles, apparently they are quite accurate, i bet most peeps would be on for that. I believe they can be bought for 50 quid, maybe set up a pay pal, 5 quid each kinda thing, then it belongs to the club.

Sounds good, I'd pay a fiver for that.

Is it the Race Technology AP22 you're talking about? I have one too and never use it so the club can have it. I can bring it to the Perth meet.

Paul

M3CSL wrote: Is it the Race Technology AP22 you're talking about? I have one too and never use it so the club can have it. I can bring it to the Perth meet. Paul

Cool.. maybe I'll make you an offer for it.. or maybe we can use it for our club track car.. wey hey!!!

nero wrote: Banter? (Click to play)

 Good lad..  Speak soon weather man.. make sure you do your magic for the club day once dates announced.

BMBits.co.uk wrote: I tell ya, yer some lot you guys!!!! I've got one of the said "Gizmo's" and I've asked people many times if they wanted to use it, for a small fee on the day for club funds and got no answer. I'll make sure it's available for this event. I think that all I require is the weight of your car as it stands (including petrol and passengers) and once's that's been inputted we're off. The machine can give 1/4 mile times, max G and 0 - 60 etc.... Jon, can you pls include on your list of drivers for the day those who would be willing to pay £5 to have use of the "Gizmo" as it's now affectionately called. Thanks.

I'll probably have one with me on the day as well. R8 MTC bought one a little while ago and I'm trying to presude him to join our Crail day. The problem with the ones that plug into your lighter socket is that they take ages to calibrate and I remain a little sceptical of accuracy. Best way is to use a GPS-type device or else a proper TAC with track side sensor.

Paul - what did you make of them - how long did it take you to calibrate to get it accurate..?

Jim, will do.