Hi, I'm new to this forum, and subsiquently posted my 1st post to the wrong forum!  I have a 2.5L Evo Sport, basically very down on power - 180BHP, was 145-150BHP before I fettled with the air flow meter. I fitted a new air flow meter, and power dropped but not by too much. I have read a few posts about the Evo Sport and about the exhaust systems. It does have the Hayward and Scott system fitted, and by what I see to some of the posts, the best place for this system is in the bin?? One owner said it lost him 42BHP. The Miltek seems to be the kiddy to have, so I have ordered one. I know about the modification because of the different bore sizes.

I have also replaced the throttle switch, both coolant temperature sensors and lambda probe too. Engine was rebuilt aboy 30K ago by a competent BMW Technician and has recently had the tappets done by Munich Legends, so I am trusting the valve timing and clearnces are ok. It had an amd chip fitted in the ecu, which I got Superchips to replace, as I thought this may have caused the problem. It made not difference atall.

Besides this excessive power loss, which I am hoping the Miltek may sort a large portion of it out, the car runs extremely well. It is also incredably bad on fuel - 18MPG at best. My EuropaMeister used to give easily 30MPG, and would litterily run rings arround the performance too, and that still had the factory cat and exhaust still fitted! Wish I kept that car!

I also fit and map the Dastek Unichip at my works which is a mappable "piggy-back ecu". I wanted to fit one to my car to try and gain some more power back - its almost as if its very retarded and rich. But unfortunately the version of chip I need is no longer available. So wondered if anyone could tell me if there is another mappable "piggy-back ecu" available for these cars?

Also, can anyone recommend a good trimmer as my front seats need a minor bit of attention - foams have wear which are causing the fabric to sag.

Paul.  

Hi Paul , nice to meet you .

My car's a standard 2.3 and runs well but my fuel consumption isnt too clever at 23mpg average ! I've only had this one since the summer so I'll have to look into it over the winter , I took it to Bruntingthorpe recently and it went very well so I'm sure its giving good power .

Steve .

Thanks for your comments and info guys,

Will blunder on with it and post my results on here as soon as its running pukka.

Thanks Darren M

I used to own a EuropaMeister M3 - the rarest! It was factory standard with standard BMW echaust system on it, and it absolutely flew! It had great economy too. It would litterily bounce off the rev limiter (standard setting) in top gear easily. It would run rings arround my Evo3. Having owned one which was extremely good, I am determined to get this one to atleast standard power output.

Theres alot to be said about genuine parts!

How do you know what the BHP is? you have stated various figures but are these from a rolling road or just guestimates?

I also own one of these cars and mine bounces off the rev limiter so do not be dissapointed yet! My economy is circa 22mpg on shortish runs along a & b roads so plenty of short hard bursts of acceleration. But in quieter moments I have managed 39MPG - but not often! 

Despite the extra BHP over the other cars, it will not show a big performance increase a bit more torque but the gearing is also altered for economy and probably quieter running. 

One of the problems I feel maybe all the extra bits and peices that have been fitted and how they interact with each other. You need a base line to start from otherwise you could be chasing yourself around in a circle.

My car is completely standard now 4 yrs into ownership but it took me 2 years to sort out a misfire problem and went to 3 specialists (within the dealership) to no avail. Eventually a second new coil sorted it but who knows what the problem was many things were changed two times.  

Some people have spent thousands on these engines trying to improve performance but a standard engine correctly set up is not going to be a slow car. I personally would not bother to fit a Miltec if your bhp figures are correct - Miltec is not going to find you another 58bhp!

Personally I would get someone to check out the ECU, take compression readings (despite the rebuild - assume nothing), fit a standard chip and locate a secondhand exhaust system - Bexley Motors may have one. ML will probably have done a good job on the clearances but to be sure (in order to create a base position) have these checked again.

If the compression readings are correct, the valve clearances too then I would major on electronics and fueling do one thing at a time and just go through step by step. You mention an AMD chip do you still have the figures/graph from the rolling road (assume this was done by a previous owner from the info given). 

By the way what colour is the car and the mileage? 

Hi Richard,

I agree with you, I don't expect to get another 50 odd BHP from my car just with a Milltek exhaust system. I'm replacing it as I know the H&S system doesnt suit the S14, Milltek has much praise, and the genuine artical from the main dealers are an extortionate price at the moment. I am suspectiong the ECU. I could get it tested, but I know of no-one who tests ECU's and come back with a reliable result.

I went to compression test the engine, but I am waiting for an abapter, as the spark plug thread is different than the norm. The valve clearances and valve timing have been checked a couple of times according to the reciepts I have. Not to say they are right of-co****. I am also suspecting the Crankshaft could be wrong, this is another reason for checking the cylinder compression and efficiency tests. If the compressions are down and the efficiency test eliminates the cylinder head, valves, gasket, pistons and rings, then it can only mean that the crank is incorrect. The crank was replaced at the engine rebuild. Pistons were not though, so bore wear was probably ok although the rings were replaced too.

The only things which hasnt been replaced engine management wise are the two crank sensors, and the ECU. A new ECU is over £600 and I doubt if I would be able to find one S/H? The throttle switch, Air flow meter, coolant temp sensors, lambda probe have all been replaced. The Dist Cap, HT Leads and Coil have also been changed. Everything so far has been genuine BMW, except AFM which I got from Bosch direct. The car is now much better, but still not as it should be.

I operate a rolling road, It had approx 140BHP when I got it. It now has 188BHP. Shows 162BHP at the road wheels. Trust me, these figures are correctand not guestimates. Trust me also, the engine does feel very retarded and flat throughout the rev range. Bexleys tell me I should see atleast 180BHP at the roadwheels. My E30 318is is completely standard, done 159K and would certainly stay with my Evo3 when I first bought it. Anyway, going on a bit.

The car is Black, done 90oddK (Evo3)

The Europameister was Macau blue and had around 100kms when I sold it. Nice car that was.  

Will plod on with it nonetheless.

Paul

Paul

Nice to have a rolling road!!

It is difficult to imagine someone fitting the wrong crank, has the performance been a problem since the overhaul? - do you have the parts purchase receipts to be able to check the part no's.

It is relatively easy to check whether the timing lines up as you probably know? - there are two notches at the front end of the camshafts that line up with corresponding notches on the 'front most cap' and these all line up with the crankshaft at TDC on No 1.

I have had problems with the crankshaft sensors but only after being clouted by shrapnel from a disintegrating starter motor, then the car either started or did not but knowing that is probably not a lot of help.

It would appear to lead back to the ecu but there seems to be no way of telling that I know of - however there is a guy called Phillip Crouch who seems to be a bit of an electronics/M power wizzard. He used to be a partner at Hartlake but then left. The last I heard he was working a day or two at Birds - Uxbridge so maybe worth speaking to him to see if he can offer a check method/soloution.

Richard  

Thanks guys for your info.... I have been driving the car harder the last couple of days, and it seems to be getting better??? Maybe getting used to it? Will R/Rd it Friday so let you know.  Seriously it does feel great sometimes, not so great on others, particularly if accelerating hard in 3rd from 2000 RPM, it feels flat right the way upto 7000 then even flater to the rev limiter, not that I'm one for bouncing it off the rev limiter! Then change into 4th and full throttle it again it backfires once with a large flame out the back. This may impress some people......but not me . So it maybe ECU. Got exhaust coming anyway, will fit it first then test it.

Darren, yep, its that car! Nice guy who I bought it from, but despite what he said to me before I bought it, hes placed posts on here about poor performance with this car, so he knew about it. A rolling road session would be good, but our dyno is an old Bosch dyno with no printer, basically, I have to take power readings in 4th gear from 2000 RPM in 500 RPM increments untill I see a power drop off. Then I have to plot onto a graph. As you can appreciate all this takes alot more time than newer dynos which allow you to get into 4th gear then plant the throttle to the redline. We do also have the latest A/F ratio meters for accurate gas readings. There are no worries about the dyno's accuracy though, its been proved correct time and time again. Provided everyone is happy with that, then I have no problems in holding a R/rd day. It depends on how many people want to join in really. We are in a nice setting.. Castle Combe in wiltshire, on the doorstep to the race circuit. I am unsure if there is a BMW track day at the circuit this year? Maybe a good time to hold one of these days?

Mark, couldn't you get an 092 ECU? or was it available just more expensive? I think I would like to try and find a donor one before buying a new one, the costs are getting a little out of hand.

Richard, yep, me knows how to check the valve timing, but I havn't yet had one of these cam covers off, so it sounds like its the same as a Ferrari 348 I done recently with the notches in the cams and no1 caps. It had good power before the rebuild. Then theres loads of reciepts for internal engine parts including the Crank. Then a few more reciepts, one saying more work required after crankshaft replacement. There is no reciept to say that the crank was ever replaced after that date. It would be hard to tell a couple of mm difference in two crankshafts side by side. Also the part number maybe correct, and packed wrong? who knows? I think if the crank sensors play up, it would probably actually cut the engine, or have a misfire as though hitting a brick wall. I thought they may have been connected the wrong way round, but when I connected them up the other way, the car wouldn't start. Plus they had been marked up by whoever did the engine job. I have absolutely no idea why the engine was pulled apart, or even if the crank was ever replaced. On the crank reciept it had "please return crank asap" This could have been the old one? No idea? Probably getting hold of that particular owner would be impossible.

God I can type for England .

Anyway, cheers lads.

Hi John! Bexleys said Air Flow Meter, or Throttle switch not seeing full throttle, they have replace a fair few of these apparently. I really thought the Air Floe meter would sort most of the problem out, I did adjust the old one, and got alot more power, but still 50BHP down on standard. I live a fair ways from Bexleys, much as I'd like to have them sort the car, I find half the fun in finding the fault myself. I can usually sort anything out, but as its me own car, like a plumber, it get left!

  CHEERS! Paul.

Cheers for the advice chaps!

Car has been going alot better, untill tonight when it felt really flat a couple of times again. So gut feeling is pointing to the ECU.

I deal with some Bosch agents in Bristol, and only the 091 ECU is available through them. The 092 is main dealer only. Although the agents I deal with seem a little reluctant to exchande an 092 with a 091. Anyone got a tired 091 cheap?

Just saw the posts about some Sport Evo chips being the same as the standard M3. Thats pretty much nailed it for me about buying an 092 from the main dealers, whats the point in spending twice what an 091 is on a 092 which could be a 091? Also, why on earth does BMW charge so much for thier exhaust systems (which have probably been sat on thier shelves for a few years)? I know theres alot of developement gone into designing them, but still doesn't warrant the money really. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the genuine artical.

Has anyone had a go at supercharging an E30 M3? Not really interested in Turbocharging  . Just a thought!

Paul

I have just bought a new standard exhaust and can testify to a beautifully manufactured item, however BMW probably has a very healthy mark up and remember they are a unique system for the Sport Evo so how many have they made A 1000 perhaps in total? I contemplated many other possibilities but either noise, harshness or life expectancy ruled each out.

However this was not the main reason, my car has just reached its 15th! birthday and covered 180K kms, Year before last it started blowing so removed and rewelded by a friend 4 times!. I took this as a sign that it was on the way out....

Subsequently another friend (also owns a SE and works in the space industry) took on the challenge to repair this old system. Working methodically with air pressure and fairy liqued he eliminated the leaks it has since been on another car and six months later still perfectly ok. But should also say that the leaks were caused by stress at some of the joints basically the metal/alloy is still very sound.

So who knows what life can be drawn from the original system lets just say 15 is not bad? and I wonder how long 'any other system' will last but i'll bet it wont be 15 plus. I appreciate that most of us contemplating future ownership will not be considering it being in their collection in 15 years time and therefore so what? but actually I do hence the purchase.

I see no reason to sell a car that is already a collectors piece and is a sure fire future investment. Also as a potential buyer a standard car will always be the more desirable purchase than one with all sorts of modifications. However this is not the main reason it is simply a great drivers car and to my mind unsurpassed by any subsequent BMW - period.

In terms of supercharging etc, this can be done for around 5 - 6K and could probably increase BHP by around 30%. Trouble is everything else will then need upgrading but in the process the perfect balance will be lost and the car worth about 30% less - who would want to take it on after you decided to sell it.

There are people out there who would take this on but you will be the guinea pig with resultant expenditure........  

Hi all, thanks for all your advice and comments.

uwem3, The AFM has already been replace with a NEW not reconned AFM, so I know its not that, also had bought a second had AFM and fiddled with the spring/cog inside to get more power, as it was running very rich. This is what got my 160 BHP at the wheels. I don't want to supercharge my car, I was thinking of buying a 2.3 M3 later on and doing a supercharge project on it. I would like it if you could put me in touch with your mate whos already done it. I've Supercharged a Suzuki Swift GTi 1.3 about 6 months ago with a Unichip, intercooler, etc, etc. Its producing 155BHP at the wheels, 194BHP @ F/wheel. Compression ratio and all internals standard, standard ECU, injectors, inlets. Done about 8K miles, including extremely hard track days, regular 140+MPH blasts. Pretty impressive. and everything is unbelievably holding together. I know its a Swift , but I was really inpressed with the set up and the results. I'm just itching to do an M3.

chippeduk, I would like to buy a standard sport evo chip off you if you have one.

Richard, I know what you are saying, keeping the Evo3 standard. I understand what you say about the exhaust too. BMW will one day stop making them anyway, and probably superceed (is that how you spell it? don't look right?) it to the standard M3 one anyway, as they have done with the HT leads! Mines a UK Sport Evo, so I know it will always sell well whatever the mods. People seem to be getting me wrong, I don't want to modify the car. I would rather have the 092 ECU instead of the 091 as the 092 number on the ECU is correct. I now know these ECU's seem to be identical, but it would niggle me that the part number on the cover 'aint right. I would much rather have the genuine exhaust, hands down. But, I want to get her running right, and cant yet stump up the cash for the standard evo3 system. On my list for parts to get is the genuine system, new genuine seats, carpet(theres a cigarette burn under the drivers seat) can't see it with the overmat in place, but its niggling me! Just the exhaust and seats come to £3.5-£4K alone so these are future work in progresses. Priority is to get the thing running as it should. I can sell the exhausts anyway. It also has silver dials, These are going to be replaced back to original. I think you know where I am comming from. One day its going to be as new. And, I AM NOT EVER GOING TO SELL IT! not untill I am too ill or old to drive it, even then, i would probably have it put in the garden in a large glass container (dehumidified of co****!) for me to just sit and look at  . They arn't just good to drive. They are beautifull to look at too.

Don't you all think this topics gone off on a bit of a tangent?

Oh! MarkD,

The Main Dealers price for the 092 is just over £600+vat (retail) less the 10%. I can get an exchange 091 ECU from Bosch for just under £300+vat (trade) But then this isn't a genuine ECU for the Sport Evo! . Also my Bosch dealer won't exchange the 092 for one of thier 091's.

A remap of the standard chip wouldn't see anymore outright power really, I've dyno'd a few before and after and rarely see much in the way of vast BHP increases. Only on cars which have been live mapped on a rolling road do you see the best results. You should, however, feel the car to be probably more responsive, especially lower down the rev range. Also part throttles would also be improved too.

BMW's do generally respond well to chip remapping. 

Thats a little personal aint it?

Surely its upto the individual, I have nothing against people keeping their classics original - including stickers, nor am I against anyone who wants to modify everything on thier classics beyond recognition.

I do although think that a car should be used and not just come out for shows, but fair play to the ones that do.

If "I" was too concerned I wouldn't have bought a Milltek exhaust for mine. I was going to change the ECU cover on my 092, as Bosch wouldn't it in exchange for thier 091. So no I guess its of not concern really. BMW or the makers - BOSCH will not tell you that the two ECU's are the same, chip change or not. I do accept they are the same though from whats been posted on here.

Have you tried to buy genuine seats? My local Main dealer says yes you can. I did enquire before I bought the car. So too did they say that the EVO3 front bumper is still available - and in stock in Germany who had 3. Aparrently these are lighter than the normal M3s, Or is someone going to tell me that infact they are not?

I guess I won't know untill I actually try to order them.

 Paul.

Hi Adwo,

Thanks for the info on the parts, I didnt want a front bumper, I just wanted the seats, infact, parts of the seats as in the foam bolsters. Thant was all. I was told by Wellsway in Bath that the fabric is still available, but not the foams. But when I asked about a complete seat, they said the seats are still available. If they are not available, are there any alternatives? Does the base bolster foams from an E36 Evo fit?

thanks, I am not going to bother trying to order them. I dont need them right now anyway. Being honest I'm feeling a little confused and down about it all, seems no-one (main dealers) knows whats available or not, most dont even know whats what on what edition of car either!

Car is now going to sit in the back of the garage untill my RS500 is finished. (full nut and bolt, nearly finished!)

Cheers all anyway.

The Sport Evo seats were supplied by Recaro and the seat is still in production with the ref SR, about £400.00 each, the originals were/are/ available for around 800.00 each.

However the foam Bolsters are still available, I have bought them from Chris Wadsley who seems to know the correct details 01553 810467. They are not too difficult to change but latex gloves are nec to avoid transferring grease onto the fabric/leather. 

Richard - Thank you!

The originals, who would/did supply them, Recaro or BMW? It would seem a shame if these were not available any more. I have had hells work getting parts for the rs500, but Ford do seem to discontinue a part, then recommision a manufacturer to make another batch, e.g. the front bumpers, Ford discontinued these some years back, but last year they made a batch of 100 or so. If Ford does this, surely BMW may consider it?

I appreciate your help, thanks again.

Paul.

Paul

I have ordered these through BMW, but I believe Chris purchases through his connections with Recaro, I have bought quite a few over the time - some just recently.

Having virtually rebuilt my higher mileage car over the past year it has been pleasing to note that so far I have managed to obtain 99.9% of all the items needed, which is excellent.

By contrast, with a similar rebuild on my 1974 CSL 2 years ago.  Approximately 25% of parts needed were 'no longer' available and BMW do not seem interested in remanufacturing parts which is a great pity.

Richard

Richard,

I have called Chris, who was very helpfull. He was going to call me back about the fabric, but still waiting for that call.

Have contacted Recaro who gave me a phone number for Auto-trim, Not Atrim as advertised in the BMW magazines.

I also contacted BMW customer service, who says the seats are no longer available in the UK, but are trying to find some for me in Germany, they are also checking out the fabric too. I also asked about maybe them recomissioning Recaro to make a few more sets, as I am sure they will sell well. They are looking into this.

PJSM3,

You have they very same initials as me! PJS here too!

I havn't tried them no, but I guess they will probably come up with the same answers.

Chris is a fountain of knowledge with the E30 M3's and uses his head to get around problems. But as mentioned earlier Recaro still make the SR seat and available in this country so it would follow that all the foam sections are still available.

The squabs are around £30/40 each the centre section I do not know but I have also recently purchased the under foam webbing as this can go a little soft causing backache as one sits too low.

The motorsport cloth is still available the outer grey colour is not from BMW but have been informed from a good authority that Ford uses/used the same material and can be sourced from them at relative prices.

Jonners- I too have spent many a time at the parts counter and also have the BMW CD.... The guys at the counters are usually quite helpful there is always going to be the odd difficult one but lets be fair they are not likely to be going into the spares pages of a 15 year old car very often let alone one for a car they only made in left hand drive! and I have often found it quite difficult to get on terms with the parts menu it does require a fair bit of time and patience. It is a very good system once you can get on level terms!

BMG M3 Hi, I know where you are comming from! I am seeing some trimmers soon, one that Recaro has recommended, and another that my mate from Fast Car Engineering (Replica GT40) uses. I must admit, there is nothing wrong with my seats, except for the outside foam bolsters on both drivers and passengers seats being worn, and the fabric on both bolsters are creased and "baggy". I wondered how they would even out just with new bolsters? I suspect a good trimmer could tighten them? The fabric on the side bolster on the drivers upper seat has been repaires, and there is a darker section where it has been replaced. I really wanted to get rid of that. I would get all the grey fabric recovered if I knew I was getting the right type and colour. I am fussy. Perhaps too fussy!

Richard, Any Idea what Ford has that grey fabric?

Jonners, I was at my local main dealer and got served by a young lad, who never had a clue about the E30, and seemed to be a bit of sarcy kid. I decided to get him out to have a look at the bit I needed, as he couldn't get it on his screen. His eye balls popped out of his head as soon as he saw the car. He has been very polite and helpfull ever since!

Why do people expect a main dealer to be able to deal with a 15year old car that they only made a very limtied number of?

Those seats are also avalable in the Honda Integra Type R, DC2 (early model) not the DC5 as they are slightly different. Although better, the DC2 is exactly the same as the Sport Evo (SRD). The seat design has not changed in 15 years!!

Pikey

Surely, BMW would like to see its limited editions on the road for many years to come. If they stopped dealing with parts for these cars, they would deminish in number further and you would only see them at shows and in de-humidified garages. This would be a shame, as these cars should be used as BMW intended. This goes for every classic and manufacturer, not just BMW.

I just want to say one think, I have nothing against car showa, or those who just have these cars for showing only.

I agree and dissagree to an extent  about blokes at parts counters. It all depends where you go and how you talk to them.

I know a bloke on a BMW parts counter who will go out of his way to find you the right part. What started out as just going down to the dealer to order a part, has developed into a good friendship, with parts being delivered to my door, comming and attending trackdays, assists with changing my tyres at track days etc. What more could you ask for, he is an enthuiast as well, and has benifited a few members on this board. If I need a part I just pick up the phone and tell him what I need and a day later its ready.

When Uwe needed a new 2.5L ( M3 ) block and other bits to rebuild his engine, we had them in TWO days from order ex Germany. Thats service along with a fair price. I know of others that are buying parts from him, even as far away as Scotland, such is the service he delivers.

End of the day it depends where you go, so it does pay to give the Bloke behind the parts counter some respect.

They are if you sit on a cushion!! he he...

Jonners, I just meant that you couldn't expect an 18 year old kid to know about the E30 M3 really, if he is made to eat humble pie after he is cocky about it then fine.

Pikey

New to this post, as I have been head down for a while, struggling trying to avoid my friendly insurance company writing off my Sport Evo, which they have confidently told me was worth £4,150 before the idiot pulled out in front of me in December.  (I tried to select an appropriate "emoticon" for that but there isn'tm one for the expression I'm looking for!)

Yes, that number did begin with a 4, and I have not missed a "1" off the front.  Suffice to say we are still in discussion.

On the Recaro topic, I have a friend with a late model Lancia Integrale, and these share the same seats.  His were alcantara, and had the HF logo embossed on the head portion, but were the same nonetheless.  I believe they were standard fit on the Evo II Integrale 16v.  Might be worth trying that avenue if all you need is the seat gubbins too cover/recover ?

Good luck. 

I hope to have my car back on the road by hook or by crook.  A Peugeot 407 hire car doesn't do it for me as a daily driver.  I find I'm getting through a lot more coffee!

Take care everyone.

Sam, sorry to hear about your car mate. When I HPi'd mine, the report had a parkers guide of £1250! But I have an agreed value on the car for way, way over that.

Thanks for the advice on the recaros, I think the Lancia seats would be pretty hard to get hold off, and I dont know anyone who does these cars now anyway? I think my major eadache at the moment is getting some fabric for the seats. Richard has put me in contact with someone who is trying to get me some at the moment, but he sais the grey is lighter than the original. How much lighter I dont know?

I would have them re-trimmed in leather, or half leather with the same centers, but that would de-tract from its originality and I guess de-value it a bit????? Maybe someone can advise here? I know the leather is much easier to come by.

The parts department in the BMW dealers have got a new CD which doesn't have the old part numbers on it, so this is making like much harder for them when looking up parts for us. But a cocky partsman who thinks you dont know what you are on about isn't on really. I do cringe when I get the youner one on the other end of the phone. But, he has to learn somehow.

Hello guys, I'm sorry to resurect this thread but I'm new here and I'm confused with the different recaro seat references? I too have a sport evo and also have an issue with the condition of the side bolsters which I'd like to sort one way or another?

Can somebody tell me the difference between a Recaro SR, SRD and Speed? and also which model was fitted as the original in the sport evo?

Sorry, perhaps a daft question, but I'd hate to go for the wrong one. Thanks for your help

Gordon

Hi Toby,

I'm in Edinburgh, I have just been looking through the scottish section, only just found it about 15 minutes ago! Still finding my way around though? Where abouts are you?

Gordon

LOL! Its funny how this thread got from trying to sort a power problem and finding out about chip tuning to getting onto seats!

Thank you Steve for PM'ing me the part number for the greay fabric, I got 4mtrs and hope this will be enough to do all the grey in the car. It certainly looks enough! Like you said, and emailed me, I would have thought the shade would be correct, and that the car fabric has just faded slightly over the years. Let me know how yours turn out, and who are doing them. Mine is still in the bodyshop, should be ready very soon. Once back I want to get the interior sorted.

 Paul.

Thanks Mark, and yes it's jet black.

Steve, the seats are cloth, the bolsters on both the front seats have seen better days. I was thinking about changing the seats, front only, then found out from my dealer that the OE are no longer available. I then thought that I could buy the OE cloth and two recaro seats, SR, SRD or speed? not sure which are the originals, then get them re-apolstered in the original cloth? expensive option I know but I want to get them sorted properly!

Be good to see pictures of your seats when you get them back?

Gordon