Ossy Osbournes 745i Schnitzer
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Topic: Ossy Osbournes 745i Schnitzer
Posted By: schnitzer
Subject: Ossy Osbournes 745i Schnitzer
Date Posted: 21-March-2005 at 11:36
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I purchased a new BMW 745i Schnitzer (same as shown on MTV's The Osbournes) from my local dealer. The main difference of course is that mine is right hand drive, silver coloured and has different alloys...I have had the car from new (just over a year) yet I have never seen another model (745i schnitzer) in the UK. I called BMW UK (who guided me to this site) for information on how many of these models have actually been sold in the UK, (they couldnt tell me). Can any one tell me how many BMW 745i (new shape) Schnitzers there actually are in the UK.... Thanks |
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 21-March-2005 at 16:14
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I take it you have an e65 745i, is it fitted with the Schnitzer body kit, or with the engine works?
I don't think that many have been sold, but the schnitzer body parts are a popular addition to some of the range, but not necessairly on the 7. One was featured a while back in BMW Car magazine, but that was a press car, but how many? Don't know I'm afraid. Send me details if you can, another e65 to the register then! |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 21-March-2005 at 17:17
3 
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Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 03:57
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Not sure what details you want but I understand the car was fully built by BMW at their factory using Schnitzer parts (the BMW list price is around 85K as per paperwork). It has 22" wheels and extremely low profile tyres (just had to replace one... £380 a tyre). BMW UK couldnt tell me how many were sold although the car was first owned by BMW UK (maybe for press or marketing purposes) my BMW dealer had it on show brand new (delivery mileage) in his showroom for 3 or 4 months but wouldnt sell it until a pre-arranged date, I bought it within an hour of it going on sale. It maybe the only version in the UK there maybe others but I havent found anyone that actually knows. Maybe the guess of 3 above is too high??? |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 04:01
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"£380 a tyre" One tyre costs more than a really clean E23 735i. Thats progress folks. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 05:40
85k list???  sounds like it's had the engine work as well. Do you have documents etc from BMW/Schnitzer regards what has been done? I would put the figure in the 1-5 bracket for cars of this cost and ilk.
I run the 7 register, and it would be nice to get details of this car, basic info, colour, vin no, where you are, door number, where the keys are kept at night, that sort of thing 
actually a picture would do fine, unless you are a car club member, then just send me the chassis details, extras and mem no! Sounds a nice 7. |
Posted By: mell
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 05:42
pictures would be good  ------------- |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 05:42
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In 5 years time AG will be buying this car (but not for £85k), so he's gathering all its history now. Planning ahead............................ ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 05:45
| in about 10yrs time, I fancy an 'old 2005 Alpina B7 e65' be worthabout £5.5k by then! |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 05:52
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In 10 years time will we be allowed to own private cars? Big Brother Blair is watching you.......................... I had the pleasure of selling an E28 rear bumper to a chap who turned up in an E38 V12 ACS - apparently it was the BMW Armoured Model and needed ACS cams etc, to maintain performance levels. Big, menacing and black - the car I mean, not the chap. He owns a limo & security company. That car was the last of his E38's as the fleet had changed to E65's. He told me that the e65's were heaps of trouble, loads of problems. BMW - get your act together before customers buy Lexus for reliability and gadgets that work.......all the time. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:30
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Here are the pictures someone requested. A friend of mine was kind enough to host these images on his website. The images are of my car which is now 1 year old... and again if anyone can tell me how to find out how many of these 745i schnitzers (built by BMW) were actually sold in the UK then I would be grateful... So far this looks like its the only one??? http://www.mindstream.co.uk/preview/bmw/ - http://www.mindstream.co.uk/preview/bmw/
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:36
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Thats looks absolutely fantastic!!! At last, an E65 with wheels that are not dwarfed by the bulk of the car. I take it the performance is mind blowing too? ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:41
£85,000 list price, that could buy a 3 bedroom house detached overlooking the sea in the isle of skye. im in the wrong job. that would buy 170 e23s in my world. 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:46
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Veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrryyyyyyy nice! Don't fancy your tyre/fuel (or new wheels, if you lived round here) bills! Welcome, by the way! ------------- 
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Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:50
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That is seriously nice!!! What do you do!?!?!?! Pro footballer! Seriously though, that is really nice indeed, sorry dont know how many there are.....oh and welcome to the forum!!! ------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here 
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Posted By: mell
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 09:53
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very nice motor there!!! ------------- |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:01
| Drinks Fuel: £60 to £70 a time is what I put in it. Wheels 1K per corner (as I say) ie a thousand pounds for the tyre and alloy - 22" (this is what the dealer told me). I have gone through 2 tyres in a year, one was specially flown in from italy and BMW paid for it. The car is totally reliable, the wheels are fantastic so long you dont get a stone stuck in the tread as the clearance bewteen the tyre and front strut is about 10cm. A stone once became wedged (possible design fault-over larger wheels) and it shreaded the tyre as though it was on a lathe...apart from that I really cannot fault it.. BTW, its booked for a software update I am told it takes over 7 hours on the BMW computer... |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:06
| I'll do some digging for you. I located one for the BMW Car magazine a while back, so I know of one other at least! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:07
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ouch! not paying 7 hr labour I hope! did you mean 10mm? either that or you are picking up bricks.... When I used to have ultra low profiles I found that I was forever scanning the immedate road in front and not paying as much attention to the distance as I would like.... nice not to worry too much about that these days! What sort of range do you get for your £60-70? -------------
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Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:08
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Thanks M3AG (anything is appreciated) |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:16
| 10mm was what I meant to write....(minus all the spelling errors, which people only notice them after they click post...). I couldnt tell you the mpg I get I usually wear a blind-fold when I fill it up. |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 22-March-2005 at 10:25
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there's not much info on these cars full stop! Even Schnitzer doesn't list a great deal on their site, a quick scan found no info on UK cars, and very little on German cars, except this hastily put together Schnitzer styled car, looks a bit of a mish mash compared to yours. http://www.7-forum.com/kindscher/ - German Schnitzer
I'll see what I can find for you. AG |
Posted By: cliffwilliams
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 07:34
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If you go to this site: http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/index.html - http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/index.html then click on "more info" to the right of the ACS6 car this then takes you to the ACS6 pages and across the top you now have the menu area for all the models. Click on 7 and you get all the data for the E65. Here is a taster for the brochure: http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/pdf_files/Prospekt_ACS7_E65_8-seitig_english.pdf - http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/pdf_files/Prospe kt_ACS7_E65_8-seitig_english.pdf I have let Oliver know at ACS about the problem with the site. Lets see if ACS fix it soon. The first bit of my ACS kit has just been painted and I will fit this rear spoiler the first bit of decent weather we have. EDIT Oliver quite rightly has pointed out that you can access the 7 series page from the index page by clicking on models - 2nd down on left- and then clicking on the 7 that appears across the top. Have asked him if he knows how many ACS7s are in the UK?!?!?! ------------- Click below for more E38 & E65 pics "http://www.cardomain.com/id/sorrentocj""> 
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Posted By: cliffwilliams
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 08:41
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Okay Oliver has said it will prove hard to work out how many ACS7s there are in the UK on account of the fact that ACS supply BMW & BMW GB Ltd with the separate parts to be assembled. You have different levels of bits on cars according to how much the customer wants. Like me I will end up with the rear and front spoiler only. SO there may never be the definitive answer here. if you would like to see the movie of the ACS7 then click here: http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/mpeg_files/TV_Spot_ACS7_20sec.mov - http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/mpeg_files/TV_Sp ot_ACS7_20sec.mov
------------- Click below for more E38 & E65 pics "http://www.cardomain.com/id/sorrentocj"">
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 09:18
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Another problem also arises when you have to ask yourself "What is classed as an AC Schnitzer car and what isn't?"
Personally I don't consider a 7 with just a bodykit from AC, an Ac Scnitzer car, but one that has the full engine conversion/suspension etc to me, is! This may then cloud the numbers that have been produced, so perhaps the question to be asked is, "How many engine conversions have been requested and carried out on the e65 7?" I tried to access the AC page a while back for the 7, but was unsuccesful at the time, so thats Cliff for showing that it is accesible again. AG |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 09:34
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Quote: "You have different levels of bits on cars according to how much the customer wants". Reply: I take your point yet in this case I feel the circumstances are different. Rather than ASC or BMW bolting on various bits and pieces I do believe that the particular 7 series in question was produced at BMW Germany in a standard customized form. From information available, my car is identical to the car owned by Ozzy Osbourne featured on MTV (only one I have ever seen). There are only 3 differences that I know of, 1) is the choice of paint colour (as you would expect) 2) left-hand or right hand drive (again to be expected) and 3) the choice of 22" rim styles. Other than that the cars appear to be identical which strongly suggests that this is a very limited edition specially built by BMW at the factory rather than extras or additions added to a 7 series....Or maybe not, as you say its really hard to find out an definative answers.... BTW it looks very different to the images above, even the back window has been reduced in size by ACS...to view click link http://www.mindstream.co.uk/preview/bmw/ - http://www.mindstream.co.uk/preview/bmw/ |
Posted By: cliffwilliams
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 09:57
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Oliver sent me over the March 2005 price list. In it you have the following options available to your car: Auspuff (exhaust), Fahrwerk (chassis),Karosserie(body), Lenkung(steering wheel), Innenausstattung(interior equipment) and the alloy wheels in 20 or 22 inch formats. So if funds allowed you could build a complete ACS7 with the help of your BMW dealer or a mechanic. No need for it to be sent to A C Schnitzer. PS that cutnpasted link I posted didnt seem to work so try this one http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/mpeg_files/TV_Spot_ACS7_20sec.mov - http://www.acschnitzer.com/englisch/modelle/mpeg_files/TV_Sp ot_ACS7_20sec.mov (edited the original one too) ------------- Click below for more E38 & E65 pics "http://www.cardomain.com/id/sorrentocj"">
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 11:39
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Schnitzer it looks like you and that other bastion of good taste and decorum Ozzy Ozbourne were the only people with the presence of 85 bags and the absence of any aesthetic sensibilities to own a 'schnitzer ' 745i, there is hope for the world. I must admit it will make quite a funky used choice for £5000 in 5 years time!. Ive heard that there is a readily available product that improves the looks of an e65 significantly, it costs £159 and is made by covercraft....... ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 13:26
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Schnitzer it looks like you and that other bastion of good taste and decorum Ozzy Ozbourne ....... Thank you Hiabboy, mine and Ozzy's taste are as you say excellent, if I might add... I was also the first person in my area to wear my underpants outside of my trousers. I thought about converting a standard e65 for £159 by covercraft, but this can be done for much less if you buy the BMW Sideswipe Cliffhanger Set from Aldi at £35.99. The only changes I have made to my car is that I have removed the heated and air condition drivers seat and replaced it with a bench I had cast out of concrete. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 13:31
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good one
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 14:02
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Top bloke schnitzer !, i figured driving an e65 you probably had a sharp sense of humour. On the subject of car covers , i see aldi do indeed do a cover for an e23 (now thats a surprise !) at £61.99 maybe robs23s neighbours could have a whip around and help local property values. We can't expect rob to splash out, since he only paid £60 for the car ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 14:06
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better than paying £400 for a rusting turd..
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 14:36
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Actually rob i've only ever paid for one e23 , that was the white 745i (i think Ozzy Osbourne had one just like it but his was blue with different wheels) i bought it because it had the front and rear becker stereos and full buffalo leather ,i paid £507 for it if i remember ,with an mot and i drove it home 130 miles. Ive swapped the glass roof out of the 735i (sapphire blue) into it and when i've finished i'll have an interesting top spec e23 that might have a value unlike your landfill. I also have a bronzit beige total spec exec £free and a arctic blue 745 £free both these cars are going to be scrapped , the 735 because whats the point of spending time and money on a car that is only desired by those with no money,i've done that already with the sapphire blue car.The 745 because while being a completely rustfree 50000 mile car , it needs a paintjob . I will attempt once to sell it as a good running mot'd car , when i've had enough of the penniless CHD1 losers and dreamers i will sell it as a donor vehicle to a hero with an e30 ,an angle grinder and £1500. I'll post some pictures of its demise , sad but thats business!. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 14:57
hiaby boy yes thats buisness, but your 745i with its 24v engine is as landfill as mine.the only interesing bits for anyone today is the 24v lump.to a donor or m5 replacement. becker stereo,why when people can buy a cd player. these are old hat cars, the public want modern not old becker tape players and old rusty wrecks. 
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 14:59
a e23 that MIGHT HAVE VALUE. 
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 15:14
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hiaboy i buy e23s to run myself as a hobby not to resell or brake to sell odds and ends. im aslo like you in the trade and deal with modern salvage to resell to joe public.
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 15:20
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Actually both my 745is are m30 turbo cars and being late motronic cars are a cheap source of a reliable 400bhp (with a chip and wastegate mod= us$350) hence the desireability for conversions. The factory power ratings were 252bhp at about 4000rpm and a wall of torque from 2000 rpm they were dumbed down (unsuccessfully) to stop the 4hp22 gearboxes melting!. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 15:26
| you would have a lot of interest from the us on these bits. 252bhp. ok for those cars of the 1980s you get that in standard form from a jap import. |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 15:52
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Trust me 252 bhp in a wobbly turd like an e23 is entertaining!. So at last weve found common ground , we both agree e23s are worthless sad turds and we both should know better. Being in the trade i'm sure you could imagine some of the losers and sad wasters i've come across while trying to sell my sapphire blue 735. I try not to get involved in selling cheap bangers , my theory being someone is buying a 400 quid turd because they've only got 400 quid, why have they only got 400 quid ? , usually because they're sad losers. Unfortunately i broke my golden rule, and reasoned but its a tidy car, the aircon blows ice cold, it doesn't overheat , it doesn't leak oil, the engine is perfect, it will make an interesting chariot for some deviant . I had a victim with a 635 who was desperate for a piggyback ecu ,i could have gouged him £300 !, but i thought (foolishly!) what a waste of a useable car. I wont make that mistake again!. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 30-March-2005 at 16:01
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i could sell £400 cars all day long, it dosent worry me if they have more or not. i never judge people by what they have or dont have.ive sold £400 cars to very wealthy people who just want runarounds for the school run or there daily driver. you deliver the car and they have stables of classics tucked away as there hobby cars. £400 cars are the quickest cars to sell less hassle more profit, seing you only bought the car for £50.. i understand yes about trying to sell the 735i but its the way you have to present the car for sale.its no good sticking a sign on it or putting it on ebay thats where you get the weird and wonderfull trying to bid for this. a good classic car mag with fanstasic photoes to match. br ooklands or duxford museum with classic planes in the forground.. it works..
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 03:44
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How it's presented is the key, I agree there Rob.
Hiabboy, I imagine you get them all, those that say 'if I had the space', or I want it but can't afford to run it etc etc, plus the classic 'it needs all this done' (and all for £400) but Rob's right, a £400 car is ideal as a runner for the school run, or for many tradesman that prefer a car to a van! Can you mail me the spec of the Saphire 735i please, as I may know someone who may be looking in the next few weeks. Cheers AG |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 12:49
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poor old e23's, I am spending money on mine because I love e23's and
that is it pour and simpall. if i could have a 745 I would I have got
to be the onley 21 year old with a old 7 fetish and with a e23 so could terd ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 13:13
Where's an interpreter when you need one? -------------   
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bmw1066 wrote:Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 13:15
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its fun
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 13:20
lol
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 13:57
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and with a e23 so could terd Who's this terd chap? Or have I got my forum decoder switched off? |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 14:02
i use bletchly park to decode mine. 
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 31-March-2005 at 14:54
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lol
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 02-April-2005 at 15:47
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Schnitzer - for £10k less you could have had a twin
Turbo Alpina B7
Ozzy Osbourne is an illiterate, incomprehensible Brummie who fronted a very average group 20 years ago and as such, can't be taken too seriously. Famous for being famous I believe. Robs E23 - how exactly do you make a profit on a £50 car when selling for £400? An MOT is about £30 and in my limited experience, £50 cars are normally knackered rubbish needing loads of time and money spent. In my 22 years selling cars (proper ones), I came to the conclusion 21 years ago that old bangers are the hardest cars to sell. When the buyers only have £300 in the whole world, they seem to get a lot more fussy. We would just put all the part exchange junk (i.e anything older than 10 years) into Blackbushe auction with the instructions to dispose of it at any price - one Montego sold for a pound, about 99p more that it was worth. But I guess an E23 habit beats Golf or fishing! ------------- |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 02-April-2005 at 16:57
Ozzy Osbourne is a rock god, and is in no way a average group, ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 02-April-2005 at 18:02
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von paulus,i can buy 1997 or 1996 ford escort ghia with slight front damage for £100 and sell for£1500 so your saying wheres the profit. i can usually pick a car up for £50 not just the imaculate one owner low milage 60,000 from new e23 but any age of car usually from salvage companies. or auctions, remember i do all my own repairs, and dont contract out to any garage. i also hold down a full time job in the print industry so cars are my other living. right for the people who only have £300 to spend on a car they are usually genuine people who work hard and dont have a lot so yes £300 is a lot of money to them. we live in a world where money rules our lives most ordinary folk dont have a lot. for some money isn"t a issue. so those people who have money and who think that the man with only £300 in his pocket is scum, well those people deserve to rot in hell. i tell you what, dont walk around saying to me when you sold proper cars, well mate its a changing world. im saying i can sell £400 cars all day. its harder to sell a car for over £1200 beacuse most people then want finance. the person with £300 in his pocket knows what he wants and is proud of what he gets. ps i never never buy from a auction house only salvage auctions. you get to many dodgy dealers floging all the crap there..
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 06:29
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I'm sure you mentioned the sums '£50' and ' £400'
earlier, so where did a £1500 Escort come from? The view held by real motor traders/salesmen is - everyone is scum until they get the money out. You develop a thick skin and live with the idiots of which there are thousands. If you can't make £1500 of a car you have just run a hose and a sponge over, you're doing it all wrong. Just last week I bought a 1996 740i over the phone and sold it 10 minutes later, over the phone for £1200 more than I underwrote it for. The buyer arrived just as the car did, didn't even have time to wash it. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with rebuilding £100 write offs and selling them for £1500. It's a moral thing really. ------------- |
Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 06:32
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Oh, and decent hard working people normally have a
good credit rating and wouldn't buy £350 junk. ------------- |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 06:46
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scnitzer, Wow!! Nice car!! Von Paulus I work very hard, have a terrible credit rating and can only afford £350.00 cars, which is how much mine cost. Paul -------------  95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 08:53
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Okay! I'm humbled and a big sorry :-(
But did the £350 include the wheels and the other bits?? We still have ours - a 1986 535i SE (the M535i but without the bodykit) manual which is an excellent old thing. Still very fast as well. Probably not worth anything which is criminal really. I did like the E28, much better car than the E23. The E34 is better than both of them put together however and you can buy those for peanuts these days. If you can do all your own maintenance and repairs, i guess these old sheds are worth having. But these days it seems that everyone will just throw a car away at the slightest hint of trouble. Crazy. "Guaranteed used cars" used to mean 'when we guarantee a car has been used, believe me, it's been USED"
Serriously, when a car went to the scrapyard 10 or 20 years ago, it was totally knackered or rotten. ------------- |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 10:24
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von paulus, i deal with the salvage cat d or even c. theres lots of money to be made. if you have the skills to repair, oh and also have the gear to do it.
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 12:07
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So why are you messing around with £300 E23's? ------------- |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 14:27
My God! A miracle has occurred. We got an apology!
Yes, it's the newer cars, with all the electric and electronic gizmos
I always said a really old car was good for you. It's more accessible for repair purposes, and there's not a great deal of cladding to remove...... -------------
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 14:28
Something to do with affordability? E23s are the closest to the concept of "owt for nowt" -------------
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 16:38
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 17:19
Bavarians? At those beer prices? Don't you mean Scandinavians?
...oh.... wait.... no..... -------------
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 18:57
HAAAAAA!! Quality!! Those Boys know how to drink too............ German beers: Lowenbrau (Lion Brew) is from the South. Holsten Pils is brewed in Hamburg (Holstenstrasse) as is Astra. The best beer though is Bitburger Pils from Bitburg near the Nurburg Ring. Weissbier (White beer) is like brake fluid. English bitters are good for the winter but you can't beat a crisp lager for summer though. ------------- |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 04:56
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Thats ok Von Paulus! The wheels came with it, the rest I put on - M535 body kit ( minus rear bumper) £65 off eBay, rear bumper £120 from laserchrom, all the covers £153 from BMW (with 10%discount), second hand engine £100 and clear indicators (f+r) £96, all done over the 18 months that I have owned her. Got 17" Alpina replicas to go on when I've sold the 16's Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 05:23
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Ozzy Osbourne famous for being famous! absolute Rubbish Ozzy has released many great records since he left Black sabbath, who by the way were not average. Ok so now he may be trading on his name a bit but why not. He has worked hard with a great deal of Help from Sharon to get to where he is today and it's well deseved. He had millions of fans before he was on MTV and he will still have them long after 'the osbournes' is forgotton. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 06:49
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Schnitzer - for £10k less you could have had.... A B&Q fitted kitchen???? Ozzy Osbourne is an illiterate, incomprehensible Brummie I wouldnt say that, hes much worse. If he was really daft he would have bought a Hummer like David Beckham. Beer for summer: I recommend Cider mixed with Guinness, it gets you were you want to go faster than an Alpina on Nitrous Oxide. 6 pints, and Ozzy Osbourne will start sounding like Trevour McDonald.... |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 07:48
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good one
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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 08:16
It's hardly fair to describe him as illiterate when he's dyslexic. Also what wrong with being a brummie? do you have something against regional accents?
I presume where you want to go is A&E for a stomach pump! Personally I go for the taste and enjoyment rather than 'how to get as drunk as possible in the shortest space of time' You can't beat Black sheep, although on a really hot day a pint of Carlsberg export is very agreeable. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 09:11
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It's hardly fair to describe him as illiterate when he's dyslexic. Well someone else described him as illerate.... he seems a pretty decent chap to me. 'Personally I go for the taste and enjoyment rather than how to get as drunk as possible in the shortest space of time' I cant see the point in drinking then, I havent had a good time unless i've been sick. Getting back to the subject of BMW's... I've just taken on and beaten a Fiat Uno from a standing start at the lights. Last week I took on a Seat Ibiza over a quarter of a mile and beat that as well. Both were experienced drivers (pensioners / flat cap and churchill nodding dog in back window).... You can do this with Cider and Guinness but you cannot acheive this will Carlsberg....Carlsberg should be drunk Green, add a couple of shots of Blue Bolls....Landlords will love you... You can't beat Black sheep Whatever turns you on......heard they were difficult to get to stand still.
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 15:26
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Tuck their back legs into your wellies. Then take
them to edge of a mountain - they really 'push back' better. Or so I have been told.
Ozzy Osbourne is a hero, but his music wasn't that great. Motorhead and AC/DC were vastly better. Nothing wrong with Brummies. After all, they destroyed their own motor industry quite nicely. I saw a sad sight on the train near Moor Street station last week, a load of old shipping containers still bearing the 'Chrysler UK' and 'Rootes Group' logos. How on earth did you guys flush away an entire industry? The Bull Ring on a Saturday night is quite entertaining. Brum is a great city, great curry houses. ------------- |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 17:36
Hang on a minute: the clear indicator lenses cost just a fraction less than the engine??? -------------
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Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 20:36
A little bit of paraphrasing to spice-up the retort
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Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 21:48
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Black Sabbath made depressing dirge. I'd rather have treacle poured
into my ears. Nothing against Ozzy, he's just a man who was permanently
drunk and stoned for 25 years. He is now incomprehensible, but I think
anyone who chooses to do that for 25 years needs to have their sanity
questioned. I bought my first car for almost 4 grand - 1500 quid worth of repairs later I had learned my lesson (almost all sensor and ECU faults). From then on the most I have paid for any car is 250 quid, the E28 only cost 150. As robs e23 (I think) was saying if you can do work yourself you will save a packet. People I know who have low incomes often get suckered in by these despicable credit companies to spend much more money than they have on a one year old car, crippling them for the next three years. It's often the wiser people who will buy a car for 300 quid or so - a business I plan to get into in the next year or so. Any tips lads? ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk 
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 03:06
hi doive, get trade insurance first, the one i use is good, 
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:28
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Yeah, don't! £300 cars are a complete nightmare to
sell and you enter a legal minefield. The difference between you, the other Forum E23 bods and the normal £300 car buyer is that you're enthusiasts and the others aren't. They just want something for nothing. You will become a car trader by law and will have to warrant your goods as 'fit for their intended purpose'. Every time the fan belt squeals on the F reg Sierra you sold, it will keep coming back and under these stupid new EU laws, the scumbag who bought this piece of junk from you will have the right to do so. RobE23 was talking about his sideline about selling repaired write offs - Rob, you do more than 6 cars a year and YOU ARE A MOTOR TRADER!! When the car you sold has an accident of any sort (even a car park accident), one of these 'Claims Direct' lawyers will be onto you and you will never shake them off. "CHILD INJURED IN REBUILT WRITE OFF SCAM". This is why anything not 100% proper, goes to the auctions or the scrapyard. Yes Car Credit have now made it easy for the terminally hard of thinking to buy newish cars with the result that old cars are now worthless. Just last week I called the scrapman to remove a 1996 N reg Laguna with a knackered clutch, purely because it wouldn't drive to the auctions. Before easy car credit, this would have been a £1500 car and a viable repair. My boss made a wise comment when I started years ago. "If people only have £300 for a car, you've gotta ask yourself........why?" As Phillip discovered, you cannot sell a good clean E23 for £300 on Ebay so really, you're on a hiding to nothing. ------------- |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:45
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Horestan, The engine took me 3 months to find and he had three of them, all manual. Was happy to part with £100 rather than £450 to have head gasket done - engine fitted myself with two mates. The clear f+r indicators came from Mats Kinnby in Sweden and he only had two sets left. The price included shipping. Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 05:47
"wiser"....hmmmmm ! Is this self-praise or delusion I wonder ! |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 13:22
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We bought a A reg renault 11 for £300 withe 88k gear box gave way
2 and a bit years later when the seals went with over 140000k all
motaway work was a very good car and all for £300
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Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 05:08
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My friend buys cars for his own use for around £300, he calls them disposable cars as he runs them for as long as they last, with the most minimum repairs, then scraps them. He works in the construction industry and spends alot of time on building sites hence the need for a banger. However from a business point of view (you may sell cars for £300 as a business) then this would worry me. (Note this weeks new laws governing the sale of goods....). £300 car sales + sales to the public + sale of goods act = for me this equals a great deal of trouble...Do think very carefully. Take your buying cost out of the £300 sale plus your overheads then you need to sell quite a lot of cars to make a decent living...the more you sell the more trouble you may get... |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 05:54
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ok. i was giving a example of what could be bought for £50, i bought a 732i for £60 its got to be worth £400 but im kepping the brown turd for the moment as i think its a cool car. i bought my other 7321 for £95 that car is also great. im kepping both beacuse im sick. if you want to make big bucks selling cars then spend more to get more profit. but as you say new laws are tightening up so you traders beware...
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 05:57
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Rob
I wouldn't consider it sick to keep these cars, in fact I'd say, judging by the pictures of the beige 7, you are a well adjusted man!
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 05:59
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the more i drive this the more im ejoying it. it does love its fuel though, round town
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 06:00
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Rob you are definately sick!, but you are in good company ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 06:03
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very good company!
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 06:03
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Absolutely!
When a running car owes you £60, it's got to be good news. N.B - the N reg Laguna went into the crusher the same day as they collected it. What IS the world coming to? I almost feel guilty, and a bit sorry for the thing. I would have thought they would have let other Renault owners pick some bits off it. What a waste. ------------- |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 06:09
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von paulus, do you know anything about e23s as i have limited knowledge of them and have a problem, the car starts ok but somtimes it idles fast but if you blip the throttle then its ok. any pointers rob.
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Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:03
£300 cars are invariably dodgy (a rule than an exception, before you start blabbering) -- cooked up MOT, choking emissions, bits and bolts loosely held together, perhaps stolen or even "rescued" from scrapyard by a wannabe "ethusiast" and patched up arbitrarily. Hence the tightening of laws to get rid of this menace and save the environment and protect our lives ! |
Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:16
von paulus, do you know anything about anything at all ? I have this thingy i insert key turn it, makes silly noises i dont care, drive from here to there...and from there to here...turn the key stops those silly noises ....and i am out of it...Phew... ! i then rush upstairs turn another thingy...makes different silly noises...i start typing silly things about those silly noises... Hooray....i done my bit for mankind ! |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:20
| problem is, there are many that can't afford to go and buy a car for a few £1k's so have to resort to buying and maintaining 'cheap' cars. Are they (the laws) then saying that you have to spend a fortune (loan, finance of some sorts) in order to have a car? And if you can't do this, you cannot have one? I know many people that buy and run a 'cheap' car, and maintain it purely by themselves. Perhaps they need to tighten the yearly checks to ensure the cars that are on the road are 100% roadworthy! Despite the licensed MOT stations, it is still quite easy to get a dodgy Mot! |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:27
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Rob's Bahama-Beige 732i is "worth" more than £400 IMO. A BMW enthusiast would pay more than that, as the car is an absolute honey. 20 y/o car that looks 2 y/o = time warp honey. You are not sick Rob, just a gent of refinemet & astute business skills. (you can give me the tenner later) ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:33
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I' ve made a profit in an e23 related deal !!!!!!!. A friend of mine runs a garage in south east london and loves a challenge , a bahama beige 745i (the one with Hartge bits that was in one of the bmw mags a few years ago) was dropped off to him barely running. The car had been at a specialist for nigh on 2 years trying to cure a running(not) problem. I went mob handed with an afm, ecu and a turbo ecu, when my turbo ecu was fitted it roared into life and ran. A new ecu from bmw is £480+ and backorder, i told him i'd sell mine but only if i found another, wo behold 6 injectors turn up in germany on ebay, i pm the seller and ask has he by any chance a turbo ecu and an afm, he replies that he has. A deal was done and now i have all the mechanical bits (and 4 spare injectors) for my blue car . I sold the ecu to my mate for the bahama beige turd and the price i got paid for the ecu, afm , injectors and shipping and left me change for some water based lubricant for when i go 'cruising' in my z3....... ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 08:32
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well done Pete!
What's the info on the beige turbo one, what will happen to that? Has it gone back to the original owner? |
Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 11:31
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LOL Hiabboy, I never thought the day would come when someone would surpass me in the "pecking order" of bu*lsh*tting! I bequeath thee altar to thy supreme...hail Haibboy the supreme |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 11:49
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Thankyou, thankyou, i'm available for weddings, funerals and barmitzvahs . Fees negotiable. M3AG the bahama turd is all up and running now, my friend has to do some suspension work on it and a few other bits and pieces. It looks like a fairly tidy unrusty car, the hartge front spoiler is a bit sad and the chrome arches are very sad. It has a beige leather (not full) trim with a fixed back seat and some clown has put some plastic wood (badly) over the original bits!. I remember that car for sale for years and years , a victim was finally found. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 12:09
"The law" is saying your life is worth more than £300: dont go around filling the pockets of dodgy traders of your hard earned money and get a junk piece of metal that might be lethal ! I dont think the law has a problem with wannabe enthusiasts ...as long as they know how to stack bits of metal on four wheels that will hold together sensibly! Stringent roadworthy test, perhaps...meanwhile a deadicated lane for £300 quid motors might be a compromise |
Posted By: simon735i
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 13:29
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Stupid question time.Have you checked to see if throttle cable is shredded?,or frayed at either end?If not,give it a good blast inside throttle housing with carb' cleaner.Its also worth checking to see if throttle 'butterfly' has made an unwelcome ridge to sit in,inside the housing+ so stick open slightly.I wouldnt want to advise you to gently rub inside the housing with VERY VERY fine wet+ dry paper,if theres a ridge!Although,if its 'carbon', that is making it stick,its worth doing.Really easy to make things SOOOO much worse though,so maybe 'blipping' the throttle occasionally is an easier alternative.Hope that helps! ------------- Complete Petrol head. |
Posted By: schnitzer
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 13:52
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Steady on chaps... sit yourselves down with a pot of tea and a packet of ginger nuts because here is an example of what can be achieved with £300 ..... I can think of no better chick magnet than this, its a Low Rider with shaved door handles and full custom job. Whoever customised this car should have been on medication. BTW, the owner of the house in the background has gone into hiding. http://www.topgear.com/content/fun_stuff/carbage/carbages/31/04/ - http://www.topgear.com/content/fun_stuff/carbage/carbages/31 /04/ Have a look at Skoda's version of the Chelsea tractor as well.... |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 16:11
WTF??? -------------
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 16:26
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suspension mountings failed the MOT Horsey? ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: bmwz3
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 17:48
Before he/she could get to customizing the handle probably hit the buffers on the 300 quid budget. Goes to show how far a wannabe enthusiast can get to...and why we should allocate separate lanes specifically for £300 cars with a "wannabe" schnitzer badge |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 07-April-2005 at 09:49
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Oh dear! Perhaps some hydraulic suspension to lower it to the ground? Waste of money personally!! Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |