may be dead e23 help
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Topic: may be dead e23 help
Posted By: bmw1066
Subject: may be dead e23 help
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 16:56
OK I am very upset so no nasty coments or I tould you so's even if I need them.I think my gear box is given up now sooner than I thought it would, I got harth way down a23 m23 and had to tern back I
know it is not werth doing but being mk1 shark and looks so diffrent
from other e23s and I get very atachet to my cars, the other well what
you all are thinking {Hiabboy}
I would like to put another gear box in, 3 sp or 4 sp con,so if you
know off gear box going cheep plese help. or a cheep e23 with all the
kit but clean.Philip were you on the A21 going towords Tumbrige today I was driving the other way in blue Land Rover Disco. Looks very nice and Rob your bargin looks supper you and philip should be very proud off them and good work to you  keep on ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 17:16
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Hang on a minute - both 'Phillip' and 'Hiabboy' have
got good clean E23's for sale for £400 or less. I think that's the obvious answer, a ready to drive car for a few quid. Don't get too sentimental....... As far as I was aware, the 3 speed autos like I had in my 733i were better than the 4 speed for reliability. Trouble is though, they are all now so old you may struggle to find another one. I'm probably wrong but didn't E23's go to the 4 speed autobox in '82 with the facelift grille? But I know what you mean - Henna red Sharknose E23's do look quite special
All it needs is a 5 speed dogleg manual!  ------------- |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 17:28
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Good points, some hard thinking tonight, I fear you are right on the
hard to fined 3 sp box, on the last mk1 sharks it was an opshion for
the 4 sp box I think. Mine is one off the very last mk1 e23s first reg
in Aug 82 All it needs is a 5 speed dogleg manual! yes plese------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 17:59
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How hard would it be to convert it to manual? Apart from the obvious need for the pedal box/gearbox and internal trim, would it need a different ECU?
Mark, shame it's gone, can the likes of Fritz's bits help at all? |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 18:02
It would probably need a different driveshaft as well.... -------------   
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M3AG wrote:Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 03-April-2005 at 18:05
| So quite a conversion! Mark, it would probably cost you £350/400 to get it all sorted, how about Hiabboy's 735. Sounds a really nice car! |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 04:48
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Hi Mark. VJ was indeed bombing down the Tonbridge bypass on sunday. did you see the bootlid bouncing up & down? the push button is a bit sticky & sometimes doesn't engage the lock. some geeza told me about it in Halfords carpark, Newhaven later that morning. I need industrial quantities of Driveway Oil Stain Remover as I have a fleet of vintage M30 motors all dripping away in unison. So sorry to hear about the Red Baron. Think hard before committing ££££ to repairs. The geeza who bid on my 732i has gone to ground, sensible chap. so if you want a ready to go E23 for the summer while you search for a g/box for the Baron let me know. one of us will buy it back off you when you've sorted the Baron. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 04:52
| DON'T SCRAP THE RED ONE MARK! |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 06:48
mark philips car he had for sale is brill, exellent car.i saw this yesterday. might be a thought to take philip up on the offer, as he said it would be bought back by one of us. that then gives you time to sorce a gearbox plus anything else you decide to do to it. also gives you time to get money together etc. 
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 07:27
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Thanks Rob. my 732i is nowhere near as good as the Bahama Babe, but Rob reckons it can easily be improved without spending too much £££££. It would be nice to keep my 732i in the family. one of us is sure to need an e23 runabout at some stage.
------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 08:04
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Mark since you drive a discovery and an e23 ,i'm sure you appreciate how important it is to have a car with a nice interior (for them long winter nights on the hard shoulder waiting for the AA!) . For this reason forget all them miser model 732Is with their poverty spec velour trim, what you need is my sapphire blue 735i SE with wipe down buffalo leather (handy for them ATF spills !) You could cruise (or park) in luxury until a box turns up for your turd. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: eta.
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 12:23
| Mark, is your box a 4 spd? Have you tried a flush and fluid change? These boxes normally do not just fail, get a bit jerky etc. How many miles has the car done? Any histiory of the box or clutch pack being replaced? |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 13:54
3 spd box, gear changes are very smoth still but no pull and high pichet noise at the same time still drivable around small back rds but for how long, Thanks for your kind offer Philip I will have a think.
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 15:22
| Patrick has a point there Mark, try having the fluids/filters etc changed/serviced, may give you some time. |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 17:59
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Let me know as soon as you can Mark. If you want the 732i I will cancel the sale to the ebay chap. I will be gutted if the car goes to someone who doesn't look after it ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:31
no not yet give it a go what i got to lose, always hapends at 3100 rpm
in every gear can get no more out I think it is toquk converter,
Hiabboy the Land Rover is my dads 3.9 v8 and touch wood has never let us
down and is very good drive 1995 year, Philip thanks again but I, like you have not got the space
going to tack the car down to Brighton gear boxes to see what thay
think, so sell to the ebayer I to would also be guted if they dont look
arfter it even thou its not my car tell em there will be a herd of e23
nutters arfter them if not tack it you herd from them. point them onto the form.
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 10:05
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OK Mark, let us know what the Brighton Auto Box people say. I have a ZF torque converter which looks like a pumpkin, sitting around. its yours if you want it. I have been approached by a new buyer for the 732i, so all is not lost.
------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 13:25
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Thanks, will fined out soon
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: simon735i
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 14:56
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I had a auto honda legend, some time ago.it was whirring,snatchy+ nasty.Changed the fluid+ had a gearbox specialist'tinker' with external parts+ all was well for £50 Hope yours is similarly easy ------------- Complete Petrol head. |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 15:09
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Simon, how is your car getting on? you seem to have vanished from the board recently ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: simon735i
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 15:54
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Hi. Well,thing is, ive had no time/ motivation to do car type stuff lately, iv'e got/ had ill/ departed family to contend with. The only time ive seen car is from a distance. its in a bodyshop+ i can't get to it before closing time, till friday.I'm taking up m3ag on his wheels, but can't decide whether to brave fixing the wheelarch+ a couple of other scabby bits,then getting ALL the doors painted.Or just to do door for now+ use it.theres also the money side of things.... ------------- Complete Petrol head. |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 15:58
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SIMON. the car is going to look great when done, so rare to have a manual.
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 05-April-2005 at 17:05
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Glad you're still around Simon. When you've got time please let us know what you decide to do with the car. and we want pics real soon please! ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 03:41
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Simon
Be good to see you over the weekend, if you bring the 7 over, I'll take some pictures and get them shown! AG |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 06-April-2005 at 07:40
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AG will sell you a very nice Alpina E28 for £10k too ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 07-April-2005 at 16:08
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------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 07-April-2005 at 16:11
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what hapened there, tock me ages to right that out can't be bothered now@#!"~'
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 07-April-2005 at 16:45
| how's the gearbox hunt going Mark? |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:12
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not very well 3 speed box is like rocking horse *** never mined
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:24
I think thinks are or maby looking up, A mates mate rebilds gearboxes
and sayes he could probly do it for £450 max £700 or if it needs less
when that tacks it apart and onley needing 1 or 2 cluches £250 so it is
going to be dun Tacking it down there on Monday and thay will tack it
for a drive  ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:29
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£700?????
Sorry, but even spending £450 is madness. A good used gearbox is about £100 worth - keep looking and you WILL find one. There were so many of these things built. ------------- |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:43
4 speeds are coming out of peoples ears, but 3 speeds are not the car
has full light tan lether with elictric seats frount and back also it
is hena red witch is my favert couler I will not fined another like it
and look like it I know its mad but so am I very mad help
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:43
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well done mark,at least you know you will get a good gearbox at the end of the day, despite what andyboy says...
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:47
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Thanks Rob, The car may be werthless
but thay are becoming very rare as the emount that are bing pulled
apart soon than we tack for grantid. I hear you are selling one of your
e23sdon't let it go to a bad home
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 12:50
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no mark, its being kept now, changed my mind, its worth getting your box done, not many sharknose models left, if you got a second hand box, chances are it would be shot anyway, or on the way.
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 16:22
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Mark, its a lot of money to spend for sure; get the Red Baron checked over, and talk in depth to the gearbox rebuilder. take your time to make your mind up. At the end of the day, its your car & your bread, so you must do what is right for you. I have spent FAR too much $$$$$ sorting out VJ and the $$$$$ are still being spent, so I'm in no position to lecture to you about being prudent. I am an old E23 nutter all right. Patrick decided to have his smashed E23 rebuilt, so he's a nutter also let us know what the gearbox bod says. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 16:25
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Phew! Am I glad to hear that. whats happening now Rob? ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 08-April-2005 at 18:16
The car needs lots of work, but I think it is werth doing, I never
bought the car to make money but to restore. As you know thay are a
money pits,lol, but us all nuttey e23 ers can see the point
and love em to bits because I know I do, some one has got to save them,
VJ is werth every peney Philip good on you, I would love to see all you and
you beloved e23's, we will HAVE to do e23 meat soon and tour the cars
shows as a mine e23 clubThanks for all your tips and impout guys I reley aprechate it.
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 15:41
Going to the box docter in the mornig fingers x
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 15:53
| if there is a problem, as Horsetan pointed out, there were a lot of 6's supplied with the 3 spd box, so maybe we can find an old 6 that ca release it's box? |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 16:46
This regular e-Bay trader, http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZsglc635QQssPageNameZADMEQ3aBQ3aTB19Q3aUKQ3a3 - Steve Crampton is a well-known specialist E24 Six dismantler up in North Yorkshire, and I know he happens to have some pre-May '82 Six parts. Ask him whether he has things like: ZF 3HP22 autobox (3-speed) or 5-speed dogleg manual box He may just have what you want.... -------------
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 16:49
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plenty of ancient E24's on fleabay being broken up, as AG says. 3 speed auto box from a 635 should be just right for the Red Baron??? Imagine an E24 being used as a donor for an E23. AG turns orthodoxy on its head. you are a radical AG. Mark, could you get a 4 speed ZF to fit the Red baron? not sure if the rear diff would need to be from the 4 speed car also? prop shaft etc etc. laserchrom boys should know answer to this query, or may be able to source a 3HP22 for you.
------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 16:51
| it'll be a shame to convert it to a 4sp, as 3spds must be quite rare these days. |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 17:01
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to much had work, going to be bad enouth geting it out but woould make long distace driving easer.
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 17:41
....and your fuel bills would be less. Well, slightly less -------------
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Posted By: Von Paulus
Date Posted: 11-April-2005 at 04:47
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Oh I don't know. My 733i was vicous on fuel - 20 mpg
was all you would get on a run - that's because it was geared at about 20mph per 1000 revs. The later ones were about 28 mph/1000? ------------- |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 11-April-2005 at 07:59
That sounds about right -------------
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 11-April-2005 at 12:58
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Well, gearbox man drove it today and thinks it is a breathing problom
as the gear box works very well, he thinks the exaust is blocket up
witch would explain the heat in the engin bay and blowing manefould
coming back so I am on the hunt for a exaust to see if this is the
problom hope so. but a lot easer than gear box, pheu
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 11-April-2005 at 13:37
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What exhaust do you need, the whole lot, or a certain part of it?
I have one here, it's for a later 735 but should be OK, from the centre box on, pm me if you fancy it! If not it will be used on my B10. |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 13-April-2005 at 12:41
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£400 for a new exausthope I can fined a
second hand one there is a elery one witch is suplyed with a frount and
center on e-bay may have a look at that, also I now have a nice set of
5 BBS wheels with senter caps and remover tool, and sports whell of g
reg 5 may sell the wheels and stering wheel if aney of you are intrested
------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 13-April-2005 at 14:07
| which part do you need Mark? |