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Topic: 540i Buying advice needed!
Posted By: zeeny99999
Subject: 540i Buying advice needed!
Date Posted: 23-September-2005 at 15:51
Im pretty new to the whole BMW scene, so go easy fellas !
 
Im looking at getting a 540i 88-96 model, not sure of the E number!
 
I'm looking to chip it and change the exhaust, so if you have any recommendations, id like to hear them !
 
Im looking for all out performance, and have toyed with the idea of the 535i, but would rather go all out and get the 540.
 
Are there any common problems with these engines ?  Do the gear boxes have many problems !
 
Once again, if you can be of any help, that would be great !
 
Jon



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Posted By: fingerman
Date Posted: 23-September-2005 at 17:12
Welcome zeeny999999 to the forum

The E number for this model of BM is an E34.

Can't really help you with much else as I too am looking to get a 535i (just sold me 525)

And would like some more info on the V8 engines.




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Posted By: Badger 540
Date Posted: 23-September-2005 at 17:54

The 540's were only made between 93 and 96, most were autos.

The engine has an issue with a coating on the bores called Nikasil. Bore wear caused by using fuel with a high sulphur content, and lots of short journeys can contribute.

There is plenty of info regarding Nikasil in M60 V8 engines on this forum and the net.

Andy '93 540i auto



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 23-September-2005 at 18:02

If you want all out perfromance you could always go for an E34 M5. As Andy says most of the 540's were autos which IMO doesn't lend itself to being sporty although i'm sure others will disagree. There were a few 540 sports with a manual box but they are like rocking horse S**t.

 



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Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 23-September-2005 at 19:16
But you can't buy an M5 for £1500.

540i's are okay as long as they're cheap because
like all old cars, they go wrong and the V8's can
generate some big, big bills. The engine issue is
one thing but the other is the autobox. E34 540i's are
now heading towards banger territory but the running
costs are anything but banger money.

The 535i manual is probably a better bet.

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Posted By: dangerous100
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 02:12

well,mine has a k+n panel filter,the end of the airbox chopped off and a superchip.all this raised the power to 310hp from 286hp.mine has nitrous on top which adds another 100hp but thats usually reserved for the drag strip.

  as standard they come with an "open" diff which is extremely long legged and not much kop for sprinting,more for cruising(if it could reach it fifth gear is geared for 195mph! and they hit the speed limiter in fourth!) the way round this is to fit the diff from an m5.i have had a look on the oem parts website and the driveshafts are the same so there shouldn't be any probs fitting one.the 3.6's and five speed 3.8 m5's come with a 3.93:1 diff which would be excellent for acceleration  but the top speed would be down to 140ish in fifth.the six speed m5's had a 3.23:1 diff which would give you 170ish top end if deristricted.the other benifit of the m5 diff is it is a limited slip diff.this is the one i am going to try and find over the winter.

  they are never going to be quick off the line being an auto.i think standard 0-60 is 7seconds.but they will match a standard cossie or scooby up the drag strip(14.8 seconds for the 1/4)

                             bryan 



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93 540ia,superchip,k+n panel filter and nitrous.118000miles


Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 05:04
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

If you want all out perfromance you could always go for an E34 M5. As Andy says most of the 540's were autos which IMO doesn't lend itself to being sporty although i'm sure others will disagree. There were a few 540 sports with a manual box but they are like rocking horse S**t.

 

E34 540i sports were only ever made for the USA 200 in total 65 being auto`s 135 being 6 speed manuals, they were a limited production series created by BMW M GmbH all were left hand drive.



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Posted By: zeeny99999
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 05:32
Thanks guys for the input, so what do you reckon would be quicker to 60 then a 540i Auto or a 535i ???  Im just wondering what to do now !
 
I think they make the 535 as a V8 and V6 or am I getting mixed up, and which one is best !
 
I read that the 540i when new does 0-60 in a fraction under 7 secs, just wondering what the figures are for the 535i !
 
Thanks
 


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 05:39

i personally love the 535i, the m30 is a sweeeeeet engine and bullit proof.

dangerous100, did you have the car mapped for the nitrous when running a 100 shot ?



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Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 05:58
The m30 3.5 is a in line 6 not a v6 and its a great engine, not as powerfull as the 4.0v8 but not that far behind it either, and if your willing to spend the money the m30 can really be made to perform and as jayson has said its almost bullit proof, whereas the e34/v8`s do have there problems with both the engine and the auto boxs and both will cost you dearly.

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E34 M30 535i SPORT



                                


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 06:47

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

As Andy says most of the 540's were autos which IMO doesn't lend itself to being sporty although i'm sure others will disagree.

Yup.

I disagree

A big enough engine powering a car thru an autobox will still be quick.  You will still be able to eat and spit out everything bar an M5.

200+ bhp is more than adequate for being sporty IMO.  You have 286bhp and I can assure you that will be plenty even though it is thru an autobox.

My Vauxhall Senator 3.0i 24V was 204bhp and automatic and it would leave my E39 for dead. On the Sennie forum we used to boast about how many BMWs we would leave at the lights as I'm sure Tetleysmooth will agree!

Sennie 0-60 8.2 secs, my E39 0-60 9.7 secs.  Woeful in comparison innit!

1.5 seconds of a difference from another 500 cc and 34 bhp, can make all the difference.  My E39 is adequate for what I want it to do, not brilliant but o.k. the Sennie was definitely quicker.  I do less overtaking in the E39 than I did in the Sennie purely for the reason that it is slower.  But it is a better car.

A manual 523i will do 0-60 in 8.something seconds, the auto is much slower in comparison but that is only with 170 horses to play with, you have over 100 more, that's like a Ford Focus engine plus my 6 pot from my E39.

4 litres worth, 286 bhp and the sexy V8 noise would beat a 6 pot 3.5 litre IMO any day.

Andrew



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Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 06:53

"4 litres worth, 286 bhp and the sexy V8 noise would beat a 6 pot 3.5 litre IMO any day."

Andrew have you driven both the 3.5 and the 4.0?

"A manual 523i will do 0-60 in 8.something seconds, the auto is much slower in comparison but that is only with 170 horses to play with, you have over 100 more, that's like a Ford Focus engine plus my 6 pot from my E39".

It really does not work like that.

A auto box will never be/feel as sporty as a manual not ever, and a manual 535 is a bloody quick car where as a auto is more leisurely power.



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Posted By: dangerous100
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 07:18

chippeduk- no the car was not mapped for the 100shot.its just a standard superchip,the gas was added later.it is on a progressive controller though.i have only stopped at a 100 shot because the fuel pump cant deliver anymore fuel.next step is a bigger fuel pump and a 150shot.for the record that will be circa 460hp on gas.

    i would like the supercharger conversion and gas which should give nearly 600hp on gas,but unless one pops up on ebay its a bit out of my price range.

 zeeny-i think the manual 535i does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds.so the 540i is still half a second quicker to sixty.after that the gap just gets wider and wider.0-100 for the 540i is about 15 seconds(hampererd by long gearing,it nearly does it in third!)mine can do it in 14.5 seconds off gas and 12.5 seconds on gas.thats speedo readings.

   the straight six(535)does sound better out of the box but a few choice mods can have the v8 singing.

  these cars are both big heavy lumps(mine weighs 1740kgs with me in it and has manual seats and no aircon so is probably as light as its gonna get)so a well driven hot hatch is gonna be all over you from the lights,its higher up where they shine through.first gear is also quite long which makes it seem worse,and fourth is also a pain in the ****.

   they do 40mph in first,70 in second,100 in third,155 in fourth(see the big gap) and fifth is irrelevent other than cruising.

 

                    bryan



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93 540ia,superchip,k+n panel filter and nitrous.118000miles


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 07:28

how do you knock the timing back at full pelt then ?

you would be wise to have this retarded 4degree.



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Posted By: Bill-
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 07:45

 

Hello Dangerious

one day soon, could you put together a thread about your mods

fitting tips, cost etc, your car and the way you want to use it sound very interesting.

 



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Posted By: richie rich
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 12:23

i drive an e34 535i auto sport and in my opinion you can't go wrong with an m30.its done 161k and still goes like stink.

i was looking for a manual but this very nice 1990 auto came up and i couldn't resist! every time i drive it i have a smile on my face,the kickdown is ferocious and the noise is great.



Posted By: fingerman
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 12:57
quote "i drive an e34 535i auto sport and in my opinion you can't go wrong with an m30.its done 161k and still goes like stink."

Sorry I should really PM you, but how much did you pick this up for?

It's just that now I've sold the 525 I was looking for a 535 or bigger with about your mileage on, wether that or I've seen a G reg 730 with 65k on the clock for 1k.

Thanks


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Previous: 9xE34s, 5xE30s, 2xE39s, 1xE32, 1xE36.... phew!
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 13:06

I think Peter has stated the manual auto debate again!!!!

All good stuff.

Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

"4 litres worth, 286 bhp and the sexy V8 noise would beat a 6 pot 3.5 litre IMO any day."

A six pot is still a six pot if it is 2.5 or 3.5 litres.  Yes one will have more power but they still work the same.  A V8 is a completely different engine and that is what I would want.  I have owned two 6 pot cars and if I had a chance of owning a V8 over another 6 pot, the V8 would win.

Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

Andrew have you driven both the 3.5 and the 4.0?

No I haven't driven either of those.  I presume you have driven a 540i then? You had one of those lovely big Hartge (excuse the spelling if that is wrong) 535i E34.  Nice car......

Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

"A manual 523i will do 0-60 in 8.something seconds, the auto is much slower in comparison but that is only with 170 horses to play with, you have over 100 more, that's like a Ford Focus engine plus my 6 pot from my E39".

It really does not work like that.

What doesn't work like that?

The fact that you take a 170 bhp and you add 100+ bhp more from an ordinary family car you get around the bhp of a 4.0 litre BMW engine? 170 +100 and a bit = 270 and a bit.

I have driven a 1.6 Focus company pool car which has around 100 horses and if feels adequate for what it is.  I then get in my 170 bhp E39 and it feels so much quicker.  Add the two together and you will have, IMO, something that will really fly!

Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

a auto is more leisurely power.

They can still shift once you knock them into sports mode.  Slight delay, granted but it'll still beat them ordinary cars.

The point I was making was that if you have more than 200 bhp you will have a quick car regardless if it is manual or auto. 

Those ordinary Fords and Vauxhalls on the roads will have what say 130 bhp on average. 

 

Andrew



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 13:38
Originally posted by b8alk b8alk wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

If you want all out perfromance you could always go for an E34 M5. As Andy says most of the 540's were autos which IMO doesn't lend itself to being sporty although i'm sure others will disagree. There were a few 540 sports with a manual box but they are like rocking horse S**t.

 

E34 540i sports were only ever made for the USA 200 in total 65 being auto`s 135 being 6 speed manuals, they were a limited production series created by BMW M GmbH all were left hand drive.

Oh, well I've actually seen a RHD 540 manual with a 6 speed box.



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Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 13:54
Yes but it will not be a sport ie V5

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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 14:04
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Oh, well I've actually seen a RHD 540 manual with a 6 speed box.

That would be a license to burn rear tyres.  Sounds fun, great for loads of tyre smoke.  I was behind an E34 540i this afternoon when I was returning from site.  Certainly roared off from the lights, didn't even attempt to keep up with him. 

Looked a bit tired and starting to rust around the boot lid.  M plate I think it was.  Shifty looking bloke driving it though.

V8.....drool.....slober....

Site agent I met with today has a MG ZT V8.  More dribbling noises.... T'is a 4.6 Mustang engine he was telling me which means it is easy to convert to a turbocharged engine apparently.

Gawd nows why you would want to make a scarily fast car, faster.   18 months old and it cost him £11k after the Rover collapse.

Andrew



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Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 14:05

Hi Andrew, yes i have driven a 540 e34 but only an auto, and yes i have had an hartge and a e34 b10 bi turbo one of the fastest bmw`s ever built and its a 6 pot 3.5  m30 i do belive

But yes the 540 is a powerfull car ,only imo if the guys wants a sporty e34 i would go for a manual not an auto ,and peter not all manual 540`s were sports, so yes when you say you have seen a manual 540 in rhd i do not doubt you, but it would not have been a sport (v5)



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Posted By: dangerous100
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 14:57

if i could have found a manual when i was looking i would of had it.end of!  as it is there were two on ebay the week after i bought mine,sods law or what.it depends what you want it for really.mine was bought for a road car plus track and drag car.

                  bryan



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93 540ia,superchip,k+n panel filter and nitrous.118000miles


Posted By: bencolem
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 15:26

Unless most of your time is spent at a drag strip I've always felt that 30-70mph is a much more accurate, real world performance indicator - the 540iA posts 6.7s 0-60mph and 5.2s 30-70mph. This latter time indicates a car with serious performance. Having just come from a BMW with 325hp sraight six that weighs approx. 200kg lighter I can assure you that the 540i would be left wondering where the ZM went off the lights but with kickdown from say 50-70mph I can't honestly say there's anything in it - although there's much less drama in the 540i.

It really depends how you want to use your performance. The 540i isn't a sports car, it's a luxury car and one of the car's biggest luxuries is the effortless pull of the big V8 engine. The 535i engine is more highly stressed (bhp/ltr) and perhaps the biggest indicator of the character of both engines is that the 540i has more torque than power, while the 535 has less torque than power (my 540 maybe nearly 40bhp down on my ZM but it's nearly 30lb.ft up).



Posted By: zeeny99999
Date Posted: 24-September-2005 at 19:36
This is good info guys !
 
Well Im going to go for the 540i E34, will try and get one on as later plate as possible, most of them seem to be L, M, N etc.
 
I've got about £1000 to spend on mods, im looking for straight line speed, so not really looking at suspension upgrades.
 
People have mentioned;
 
Induction Kits
SuperChip.
 
I dont see any mention of performance exhausts !
 
Dont really want to got the nitrous route as thats not what im looking for.
 
Any recommendations for mods for under a grand (engine!)
 
Thanx !


Posted By: dangerous100
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 06:47

for a grand i would probably go k+n panel filter(£40),chop the end off the airbox(free) and a superchip(£293).i also run mine on optimax.i dont think you see much gain from an exhaust and they are bloody expensive for a decent stainless.

  i would also take a look at an m5 six speed diff,as it has a slightly higher ratio for improved acceleration.this is what i am looking for next.

   if you can find one you might get a secondhand supercharger kit for a grand(i haven't found one yet).which will give you 406bhp.the cheapest i have found so far is from ess which is about £3500.

  other than that theres not much about for the engine i am afraid.

                                            bryan



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93 540ia,superchip,k+n panel filter and nitrous.118000miles


Posted By: chasseur
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 07:37

Bencolem, I have a 540  6 speed manual whaich was Chipped by Jayson & has the mod from dangerous & Your Zm wont leave mine in any situation at all!

Scoobys, Twin turbo Mits,3000zx's all tried none have lost or beat it yet!

I have a Maserati Ghibli & that would struggle to lose this Beemer,Jayson did a great Job!

dangerous : things I dont like on it are the steering ,I think the M5 rack might fit.I also am on the lookout for a s\chager & have been toying with the idea that the jag V8 system would fit???

Or what about a E\s\charger??

 



Posted By: bencolem
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 10:31

Should just re-iterate what has already been said about the gearing of the 540iA on this thread. The gearing is so long in top that - whilst its no a lot slower than the ZM than from say 50-90mph it really doesn't pull anywhere near as fast above 110mph (research obviously not conducted on the public highway officer).

Chasseur, glad you like your 540 with a manual box and this is not meant with any disrespect, but there would honestly be no situation that I can think of where your car would be as quick as the ZM (apart from when carrying four people I suppose!). No disrepect, I'm sure your's is a very quick car but it wouldn't be as quick as the ZM - even with the M3 CSL it's still the fastest accelerating production BMW that EVO magazine have tested and if your 540 is by no means disgraced in a sraight line (which I'm sure it wouldn't be) it wouldn't see where it went in the twisties! Anyway, this is meant to be a 5 series discussion board and I certainly shouldn't be highjacking it with ZM threads!



Posted By: bencolem
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 10:32

P.S.

I've been advised that an exhaust would be a much more effective (albeit expensive) performance upgrade than an intake modification...



Posted By: dangerous100
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 11:06

i cant comment on the exhaust ben, but as you can only legally do cat back,and the fact that it looks pretty much straight through as it is.the noise would be nice but until my factory one drops off i think i will leave it alone.i was quoted around £300 for a two box system or £500 for a three box system.both of these were from powerflow.

    i think if you are allready accelerating from say 70 (so it is in third gear)then its not two bad over the ton.but,and its a big but,if you are cruising at a ton and nail it the gearbox has no where to go but fourth gear and takes ages to pick up speed.i got caught napping by an a4 tdi the other day and could not catch him let alone over take him untill i was pushing 130-140(a4 was probably flat out by then?)

  this is one reason why i am looking at a higher ratio diff from an m5.

                  bryan



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93 540ia,superchip,k+n panel filter and nitrous.118000miles


Posted By: Paul_540i
Date Posted: 25-September-2005 at 14:20
I had a manual 540 and changed it for a manual 840! Wouldn't touch the auto TBH, they're just so uninvolving to drive you feel like a passenger. Even the ones with buttons on the steering wheel, quite slow to change and in no way comparable to SMG. But it depends whether you enjoy driving and feeling like you have full control of the car. The 6-speed gearbox is rock solid, never heard of them going wrong.

They're not particularly quick off the line, I had a 300+ BHP WRX before and it would obliterate the 540 (and 840) off the line without a shadow of doubt. More power, much lighter and all-wheel drive (3 limited slip diffs) meant 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds if you don't mind giving the clutch some abuse! Above say 120 MPH the 540 may be a match due to better aerodynamics and less transmission loss. But the manual BMWs are still good fun round the twisty roads and much better long-distance cruisers.

Paul.


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840Ci 6-speed manual (sold)

318is (sold)

Yamaha R1 (sold)



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