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Topic: describe your car on the track
Posted By: llatsni
Subject: describe your car on the track
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 04:26
Post mondello I thought it might be interesting to hear peoples opinions of their own cars out on the track. Apart from being decent reading it might actually help someone choose their next daily/track car.

We should probably have some standard areas to comment on, but do mention anything worth noting:

Car: '98 e36 316i saloon, m43 engine
Mods/setup: lowering springs (eibach pro kit), 17" BBS alloys, brembo max discs with ebc green stuff pads, Falken tyres... thats about it
Braking: Bloody AMAZING when warmed up outbraking plenty of people on the corners
Handling: tendancy to understeer, with the rear end being a bit ambiguous. Sits very flat with the lowering springs but rear end can be a bit bouncy under hard braking while turning (sometimes unavoidable)
Power: Very very underpowered, was overcooking it into corners in an effort to maintain momentum, and when apexing was left seriously wanting. In contrast my mates comments were that the 318IS was the "lowest" powered car that had usable grunt thru the corners. The 1-6 is 40 bhp shy of even that! I was taking some higher powered cars but mainly thru holding the right line and braking very late and hard.

Anyhow... now to find that missing 200bhp.
Paul

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]



Replies:
Posted By: b318isp
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 04:35
Car: '90 e30 318is, m42 engine
Mods/setup: H&K springs, Billy dampers, LSD, ebc green stuff pads, B/Stone S03 205/55/15 tyres...
Braking: Once again, fade free session. Raising brake pedal helped feel a lot. No problems - lots of confidence in braking late once tyres were warm.
Handling: Very happy with this. I bit too much understeer at turn 1 but fine after that. Turn in is superb and can tracked very well around corners. Rear end very stable once warmed up. Power oversteer a little snatchy but could get to power down easy enough. Overall, the car was very responsive.
Power: Always need more, but it never really bothers me as the car is very adjustable with the pedals. Would prefer more to help exiting of corners (TJ style!) but for half the session I used 3rd and 4th only as I prefer corners rather than straights!

Overall, I was delighted with the car - it was quick under braking and cornering. It was fluid, adjustable, controlable and very well balanced.

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http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/index.html - My E30 318is Site


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 04:45

Car: '93 e36 325i coupe, m50 engine
Mods/setup: Bog standard, 15" alloys
Braking: No problems, wasn't pushing too hard at all so no fade, etc.

Handling: First run with road pressures was fine but a little understeer.  Changed to 35/32 (FR) and that helped the balance.  Utterly predictable (contrast to e30 last year).  Very pleased!
Power: No real problems there, although its a little bit peaky, only coming to life on the track at about 3.5k rpm, changing between 5-5.5k.  I did find that the gearing didn't suit some corners, i.e. 2nd was a bit low (meaning having to change very soon out of corner) and 3rd was too high (meaning you were under 3k rpm and therefore too low on the torque curve for a swift exit).

For a bog standard setup I was more than pleased with the go and composure, even if not pushing it too hard!



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 05:18

Car: 1995 E36 328i Coupe

Mods/Setup: Factory fit LSD. 17x8" alloys with 215/45 Avon ZZ1s running 36PSI warmed up (16k on tyres and alot of abuse on them - rears just about non-legal going into Mondello, fronts another 3-4k left in them). AC Schnitzer Fast Road suspension setup.

Braking: DOT5.1 brake fluid. Pagid Fast Road pads all round. 328i has vented discs on rear as standard which aids cooling. No problems with brakes. ABS kicking in a little early when brakes are really hot, but not an issue overall. I'll upgrade to Zimmerman grooved discs over the winter.

Handling: Neutral. Tyres very, very hardwearing; this means a lack of ultimate grip but they were immune to all trackday antics, only showing a light feathering on the passenger front - amazing considering! Initial touch of understeer on turn-in and steady throttle (due to LSD and tyres). Once approaching apex, hit the power and adjust the line from there completely on the diff. Every bend is exited with a qtr turn of opp-lock and the rear really hooking up. Softly sprung but iron damping meant little roll (just enough to have an idea when it's loaded to the point of sliding). In summary incredible balance front to rear on track, and completely adjustable / exploitable thanks to LSD. I love it!! And it has transformed the car over the original setup. The difference is even more shocking on the road where corners that had the old setup skipping and jumping are taken level and approx 10mph quicker with the ACS kit. I would not drive another (non-M) BMW without putting ACS kit on it, period.

Power: Enough to exploit the handling of the car with it's current setup. However the top end (5,500rpm onward) is lacking if I'm being picky. It needs to breath better up there, and am considering the M50 manifold conversion to sort this - must pick Ludos brains as he's alot done to his 2.8. Plenty of torque to get the tail moving. Other than that, you don't feel hard done by the power in it (unless you've been taken .. again!... by IanH and his 330Ci ), and it can keep with most cars in Mondello as it ain't a big power circuit.

 



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 05:30
Car: '97 523i M52 lump
Mods: BMW aero  kit (gives me loadza downforce bud!). On 17" E34 wheels bored to match the E39 hub. Rear rims may not be the best width for the tyres. Nankang fronts (which were very good!). Rear tyres had little tread left at the start. OEM discs and pads.
Handling: Very surprised at the handling of the car, given the rear tyres which were possibly toio wide for the rims. Also my ASC is down so I had was on my own. Very little understeer (as usual) and the car frequently thought about stepping out (especially on turn two which was done in 3rd and foot right down) but offered enough time to stop it. The tyres performed very well despite having low tread level and they should withstand another event (or two) as long as there is no rain!
No brake fade or other braking problems. If I stood on the brake, it stopped! I found I could use very short braking distances compared to the last day (mainly because the last day I was on my road tyres and didn't want to shred them).
Power: I found that it was occasionally slow to regain proper momentum out of some of the corners but a few extra bhp might sort that out. Between now and the next date I plan on doing the manifold, throttle body and chip mods to her.
In one session I actually found I couldn't pass the 316i which was quicker out of the corners and whenever I was ready to overtake, it wasn't a suitable location/moment. Next time Paul!

The car stayed between 2nd and 4th all day with no need for 5th. I had problems mid way in the esses trying to get up into 3rd but I think this was to do with the way I was leaning more than anything and I was catching the divider between 1st and 3rd. I must learn how to drive!

The car also feels as if it has too much body roll, something which I must look into.


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: ///M3Mick
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 06:16

Car: 2003 E46 M3 coupe
Mods/setup: pretty much stock, 19" OEM alloys, Contisport Contact tyres... 
Braking: Excellent………although I don’t really have a reference point here [Paul maybe you could let me know how it was relative to the other paxlaps you did].  Certainly they were confidence inspiring, allowing me to go flat out where possible in the knowledge they could bleed away speed as necessary.

Handling: Despite the M3’s reputation as tail happy I found there was a tendancy to understeer, particularly on turn 1 (is it Honda?). Having said that, being as it was my first track day, I was probably carrying too much speed into some of the corners, and despite the urging of certain individuals I didn’t turn off the DSC all day.  I will wait until I am more sure of myself before doing so.  When I got my entry speeds right, it was beautiful, remaining taut and level, and very satisfying when I finally nailed the double apex bend.

Power: More than enough.  This engine revs and revs and you really can take it to the redline.  I barely got into 4th all day (for example on the main straight if I nailed it out of Dunlop in 2nd, was hitting 100-110 at the bridge just as I would change into 4th but at that point you are just about to mash the brakes for turn 1).  Was surprised when Paul told me on the paxlaps that I was hitting 80-90 coming up to the 50 meter marker before Dunlop. 

 

Mick



Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 06:38
Car: 1989 E30 M3 Cecotto

Mods/Setup: Factory fit EDC (Electronic Damper Control) with 3 settings Komfort, Normal, Sport. 16" Standard alloys with 225/45/16 B/Stone S03’s running 32 PSI. Supersprint Exhaust System. 3.64 diff instead of original 3.25

Braking: DOT5.1 brake fluid. Pagid Orange pads on front. OEM disks all round. Braided brake hoses. Uprated Caliper pins on front calipers to give squarer pad contact on disk. No problems with brakes, actually very happy with setup however front left wheel did lock up once going into Stena. Need to check ABS.

Handling: Very good considering I was running only 32psi. I was expecting rain and for the weather to be a little cooler so used 32psi all round. Should have bumped PSI up to near 40. As a result experienced understeer at Honda and Dunlop. Tyres very, very hardwearing and sticky giving loads of grip – actually very impressed with grip and wear after 2 track days, trip to Germany and a few laps around the Ring.

EDC Suspension really came into its own on track. Started off in Normal just to see what handling was like. It handled well but I knew it could do way better. Stuck it into Sport mode for the rest of the day which made a huge difference. This stiffened the dampers all round and also adjusted the bump and rebound (doesn’t lower the car!). Car was very very grippy. Found that if I carried a little bit of braking into some corners, the front of the car sat down and I could take the corner harder and come out faster. Prefer this setup over previous factory setup in my old evo2.

Power: Probably could do with 20bhp extra (who wouldn’t!) over my dyno’ed 215bhp to give the bigger M’s a run for their money on the straight. Performed excellent in the short twisty stuff but felt underpowered on the straight. Upgrading the diff to 3.64 also improved acceleration up through the gears. However I did find going into Stena and Dunlop that I had to hold the throttle for a second or two at 7400rpm. If I changed into 4th I would have had to change back down again immediately. Gear changes between 2nd and 3rd were very quick. Had to lay off the power going around the right hand corner coming out of Stena and before Dunlop as I found that this spot was very greasy and didn’t have much traction.


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Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 07:00
Car: 1999 E39 M5, S62 engine

Mods/Setup: Rogue SSK, Rogue tranny mounts, Axxis Ultimate brake pads, Motul RBF 600 brake fluid, StopTech stainless steel brake lines, Active Autowerke CAI(brake cooling & induction). Tyres 41psi/39psi warm.

Braking: Much better than I expected for such a heavy car, not much fade. I am sure the brake cooling helped loads. Truth be told i never did pound the brakes that hard.

Handling: First few session I had DSC on, in fact most of the sessions I did, this pretty much disabled my ablity to control the car with the throttle. With it off everything is very controlable for such a big car. Unsteer all day, but that is cuz inablity to brake enough and turning in too early.

Power: Ermm, I think I have enough. Just need to be in the right gear.



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http://www.kinmak.com - KinMak.com - http://www.elara.ie - Elara Online


Posted By: llatsni
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 07:31
@b318isp - saw you 'enjoying' your LSD a few times, had heard they increased understeer on a track like mondello, but both you and TJ seem to say the opposite which is good news!

@Dergside - damn, missed checking your car out, would have loved a shotgun lap or two, as i'm dreaming of making a 325 track car.

@T.J. - the car is a beast (or is it the driver???), definitely held your own against the m3's.

@kbannon - I wasnt about to slow down to let you past, I needed every bit of momentum available, reckon you could've taken me if you'd hurled it into the corners a bit more :)

@///M3Mick - your car is sweet, and your driving v impressive for someone on their 1st track day in a recently purchased car! The power (braking & accelerating) was amazing, but there was definitely more there - much more!

@Eamo - that car is exquisite... a true keeper.

@Kin Mak - amazing torque in that yoke, i bet you were the only one powering out of dunlop in 3rd gear, a much improved driver by the last session too, next time you'll be hammering the puny m3's

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]


Posted By: kdevitt
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 07:44
Car: 2000 E46 328ci, M52TU

Mods/Setup: Eibachs...standard otherwise

Braking: Fantastic - no problems with fade at all, unlike my E36 320i experienced.

Handling: Left traction control on all day. So had trouble powering out of some corners at it kicked in, but would rather that than stacking the car against a barrier. Tyres got very ropey near the end though, so I was glad I called it a day when I did.

Power: Was fine - should have been shifting down to second on one or two or the bends, but the car still pulled in third so I got lazy.

Probably should have gone out in the second group though, got frustrated being stuck behind others who wouldn't pull over (given that the car if front is meant to signal for you to overtake rather than you just going for it) , and in most sessions I had to ease off because there was traffic in front of me. Lesson learnt I suppose...

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http://www.bmw-driver.net - BMW-Driver.net


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 08:12

Car: 1998 e39 520iM52 Saloon ECE

Mods:  Mechanics of the car are all still standard, but work in the last 2 weeks included 3 repalacement rollover coils, 2 new rear brake pipes, brake system flush, 17" ACS Type3 wheels with rear Falken 255/40/17ZE512 and front Falken 235/45/17ZE512 tyres, ACS sideskirts, ACS boot spoiler, ACS roof spoiler, Inspection 2, Oil service.

Power:  Could have done with more, and found flat spots coming out of Honda and Turn 3.  A bit of experimentation in the earlier sessions (with no-one else near me, of course!) found that if I dropped from 3rd to 2nd exiting the corner, the car kicked nicely into line for exiting the corner.  Exiting turn 3 in 3rd had no power; in 2nd it took a second to kick in.  3rd through the esses worked fine - 2nd didn't feel as secure on the track. 

Handling: Had a moment with 2 wheels in the grass coming out of Honda, but that was about all of the off road excursions this time out!  Don't know what under/oversteer is, but found it took the corners well, even if it did feel like a wallowing barge (as noted by Kin on my final outing!).  Tended to use the green  white kerbs a lot in the last 2 sessions!  After Killian showed me the lines, found myself a lot happier coming out of turn 3.

Brakes:  Very happy with them; put me exactly where I wanted to be every time.  Tyres may have had a bit to do with this, too.

Tyres:  Got very squelchy toward the end, but very happy with them.  Checked them last night, and no damage or flat spots on them, and not a lot of wear.  Rears at 35psi, fronts at 33psi.

Speed/MPG:  Using the trip computer, I got 12.5mpg over 5.8 miles, at an average speed of 53.7mph.  Only thought to check it on one session (2nd last one).

Overall:  Very happy with performance/handling.  Need to get spare wheels if I'm going to continue doing track days regularly.  Also maybe 20mm lowering (can't go any lower due to ramps/inclines at home), exhaust system and chipping to come.

Thanks to all my passengers for their commentaries, and Killian for showing me the lines.



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 08:15
Originally posted by Fey! Fey! wrote:

Car: 1998 e39 520iM52 Saloon ECE
Surely you have more to say about the day than this!


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 08:27

@ llatsni: I've a tiny micky (and wallet!). So I feel compelled to compensate as much as I can on the track. What more can I say?

Joking aside (I've a massive massive schlong), the car is set up well and is easy to go quick in. Chatting to Brendan, and the two of us passengering in each others cars to compare, the E36s behaviour beyond its limits is alot more benign than the E30. It's a credit to those out in them who can keep it neat on the limit, as there is a far more noticable and sudden 'step' from grip to slip on the rear. It feels like it gets enough grip to hold it and to play with the tail afterward, but that initial leap of a foot or so needs a bit of courage to step up to. It may even be exxagerated on the 318is over the 325 as the nose is that bit lighter, and the whole car keener to turn in and keep the nose dialled in. The E30 M3s I've been in seem a little more like the E36 in behaviour. Don't know what mods the E30 M3 has over the normal trailing rear axle. On the E36 (1st showing of the 'Z' axle that minimises camber change) you can pick the angle down to a centimetre. Brendan and others in E30s will have more to add, but they were my impressions of the cars.

Wheelbase plays a part too - my old 525i was a great bus to chuck around and really forgiving.



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 08:36
@ Killian - computer decided it hadn't posted enough in the last few days, so took over from me itself and self-posted!!!

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Posted By: mikerd4
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 16:20

Pity there where no official times for laps top see what was actually happening.

Never thought id see a rear wheel drive car understeer but it was happening. 

Driving styles varied amazingly, have to say being in with a good driver in a fast car like Ludos was a treat.



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Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 16:21
As opposed to being in a slow car with a hopeless driver like me!!!

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Posted By: mikerd4
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 16:30

speed didnt mean much except on the straights, there were slower cars keeping up with e46 M3's! 

For exa,ple paul felt fast in his 316 as he was really chucking it about but then lost a lot of time in the corners having to brake so hard and late but he was still posting unofficial times ahead of kin in the big 5!

Would love to know what the grey 2002 was lapping in!



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All about the sounds:-
Source:-Alpine 9833R Comps:-Phoenix Gold Ti6 Elites, Sub:- 2 x Focal Polyglass V2, Amps:- Arc Audio XK4150 & Soundstream Van Gogh All in a custom boot build


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 18-October-2005 at 18:01
Originally posted by mikerd4 mikerd4 wrote:

Pity there where no official times for laps top see what was actually happening.

Timings are not done as nobody is meant to be racing!


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: gjoconnor92
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 02:45


Car: 1989 320i

Mods/setup: spare wheel removed from boot. Tyres Goodyears on front, Kingstar Made in China on rear! Need to experiment more with tyre pressures
Braking: Needed to use right foot controlled ABS a lot. Especially when slotting in behind M3s at end of main straight. A few used to brake from about 125 meters. Are M3 brakes not better than this. 
Handling: Shocks weak especially rear, used to lift inside rear wheel like mad exiting corners! 
Power: Killian's dyno plot of a few years ago says 127bhp 
Dreams: 4 decent shocks, no lowered springs

Fantasy Limited Slip diff



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Gerard O'Connor

1989 E30 320i for track day use
1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!)
http://homepage.eircom.net/~goconnor/Fvee1/FVee.htm - Sheane Formula Vee
mailto:bmw2002_92@yahoo.ie - My e-mail


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 03:38

I did take some times for my first session out just to get a datum against the old 525i. Taken from passing under bridge.

Lap 1 (out lap) 01:18
Lap 2 01:14
Lap 3 01:22
Lap 4 01:15
Lap 5 01:13
Lap 6 01:16
Lap 7 01:13
Lap 8 01:16
Lap 9 01:13
Lap 10 01:13
Lap 11 01:13
Lap 12 01:30

 

 

 



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 03:59
What did the E34 do it in TJ?

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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 04:12
525 was around the 1min 15/16sec mark. I reckon by the end of the last day I was getting 1:12, maybe into the 1:11's, from the 328 (when I was really trying to keep it tidy), so there is a significant enough laptime difference between the two. 

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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: llatsni
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 04:32
I was running a fairly consistent 1:17 according to my friend alex (I always had a passenger) - which I'm pretty happy with. Better control in the corners would probably knock a second or two off that.

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 05:09

I noticed on one session when I was spectating you were getting some epic understeer through and out of Dunlop, llatsni. You were nearly running out of steering lock on one occasion! Dunno was it tyres or speed or just you messing about so am reluctant to comment . However for quickest lapping I'd slow the entry in a bit, and take it handy on the throttle till the nose is on the apex. Then you're powering through /out of the corner toward the outside rumble strip while winding off lock, eliminating understeer completely & getting alot more speed down the straight. (I always feel a bit of a fraud throwing my opinion out like that amongst a forum where there are alot of talented pilots- it's not like I'm Stirling Moss, like! But if it helps any track newbies out there then it's worthwhile.)

PS I LOVE those deep-dish rims! couldn't take my eyes off them all day.  they are like the E36 328i sports rims.



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 05:12

Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

PS I LOVE those deep-dish rims! couldn't take my eyes off them all day.  they are like the E36 328i sports rims.

I had a similar wheel (replica) set on a Mk2 GTI years ago, lovely wheel.



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: llatsni
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 05:18
@TJ; I was, errrr, exploring? Nah, it was just crap driving. I really find dunlop a hard corner to get right. Most of the others I was able to nail a few times, but dunlop escapes me every time. I reckon i just need to go in WAY slower. I wasnt really intending on going out on the day, so my tyres were probably pumped to high on the front for track use. Also they are brand new (I know, I know... peer pressure and all that).

The rims are very sweet, thanks. They are the same as the 328 sports except I have 7.5's all round instead of the 8.5's on teh back of the sport.

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 05:36

Dunlop is a stones, and scary to boot as run off is tight and you always have a big audience!!

RE: rims: I'd love a set of em! It was something I was planning on getting this summer, but the 17"s mine came with had a nasty dent that blew out a new tyre last autumn, I couldn't get 1 replacement, so was stuck buying a new (different) set I didn't really want but couldn't refuse @ €400 brand new. twas like getting a girlfriend boxed that you never though about marrying before the strip turned blue... 



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 05:55
TJ - that's the best description of getting something unwanted I've ever heard!!! LOL!!!

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Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:11
From what I can see from the video, on the 3rd session I was doing 1.14s when not being lapped.

Will check later tonight to see what the times were later on the day.


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Posted By: ludo
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:18
Going by the video I was around 1.11-1.12. Although I am sure if I wasn't spending so much time talking and concentrate a bit more on the driving I could probably shave a few 1/10th of that!


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:54

Just calculated my times.

First session (passenger Justin).

outlap 1:35, 1:35, 1:27, 1:29, 1:35: average (incl outlap) 1:32.2

Second Last session (passenger Mike)

1:19, 1:20: average 1:19.5 (session was red flagged)

Last session (passenger Kin)

outlap 1:22, 1:19, 1:17, 1:20: average (incl outlap) 1:19.5

Very happy with that improvement!  Still one of the slower cars on the track!!



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:56
Where are you getting these times from?
Can you find out how slow I was?


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: ludo
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:59
from the video Killian


Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:59
I had a camera in-car so did Dave. The others must have been counting in their head... 

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http://www.kinmak.com - KinMak.com - http://www.elara.ie - Elara Online


Posted By: ludo
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 06:59
I had in car too.


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:04
You were a lot faster than me, Killian - you passed me enough times!!!  I know that in the 3rd session, at the end of about 3 laps behind you, I had gone from being on your bumper to going around Dunlop and seing you nearly at the bridge.  Dunlop to bridge on my last lap took me about 10 seconds, so you probably would have been in around 1:17 or so.  I still had ASC on at that stage, and was still doing slow laps!

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:07
Originally posted by ludo ludo wrote:

from the video Killian
which video?


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:08
A lot of us had cameras rigged up - remeber the piece of wood between the front seats of my car?

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:09
I do but I haven't see any of the recordings. Are there any online?

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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:15
I had a mini clip posted up earlier, I will have to edit the full video before I post it. 

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http://www.kinmak.com - KinMak.com - http://www.elara.ie - Elara Online


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 07:16
I had someone in the passenger seat doing split times with my phone on the first session. getting the last session would have been handy to compare with though

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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: mikerd4
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 12:38
llatsni- you had the fearlessness but going into the corners a tad slower wiull have improved your times now end

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Posted By: GR-8
Date Posted: 19-October-2005 at 17:43

Car: 1995 E31 840Ci 4.0 Auto

Mods:  Alpina 18" Alloys

Power:  Sufficient 

Handling: Much better than expected. Corners very flat, loads of grip and controllable on the limit. Didn't use ASC at all. Neutral handling.

Brakes:  Execllent, couldn't believe they didn't fade, ABS didn't cut in much at all.

Tyres:  F 245/45 18 46psi, R 285/35 18 46psi. Fronts were already worn 50%+, Rears are very new. Can't see much extra wear, just some beading which should disappear over next 100 miles.

Speed/MPG:  Have 8 laps timed from video, 5 @ 1-13, 2 @ 1-12, 1 @ 1-11. 6.8 mpg average for the day.

Overall:  Really didn't know what to expect from the car on the track but delighted with it. Already mentioned the problems with power steering - added an extra bit of excitement not knowing whether it was going to work or not each time you turned into a corner. It's working perfectly again on the road. I don't know if I'd take the car out too often on the track but at least now I know what it can do. I'd definitely be nervous in the rain!



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'95 E31 840Ci


Posted By: gjoconnor92
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 03:11

On the 2 sessions where someone timed me using my phone. Amazing things these new fangled mobile phones! I was typically low 1:16s with one lap of 1:15.40

As I said before I need shocks and a LSD. The number of times I had to lift off to get the inside rear to grip, was frustrating.



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Gerard O'Connor

1989 E30 320i for track day use
1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!)
http://homepage.eircom.net/~goconnor/Fvee1/FVee.htm - Sheane Formula Vee
mailto:bmw2002_92@yahoo.ie - My e-mail


Posted By: b318isp
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 04:10
Originally posted by gjoconnor92 gjoconnor92 wrote:

On the 2 sessions where someone timed me using my phone. Amazing things these new fangled mobile phones! I was typically low 1:16s with one lap of 1:15.40


As I said before I need shocks and a LSD. The number of times I had to lift off to get the inside rear to grip, was frustrating.



Do you have a rear ARB?

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http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/index.html - My E30 318is Site


Posted By: llatsni
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 04:24
Originally posted by mikerd4 mikerd4 wrote:

llatsni- you had the fearlessness but going into the corners a tad slower wiull have improved your times now end



oooohh, harsh, but so true ;)

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 05:17
1:17s are still great times for a 316i! Fair play

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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: llatsni
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 05:40
@TJ - thanks! ... but I'm afraid ludo bet you in the ego inflation contest; I was chatting to him afterwards, mentioning that the e36 318IS was pulling a stormer. He goes "yea and there was a silver 316 out there that was going really great too" or something a bit more french. Anyhows he didnt cop it was ME!!! I was well chuffed.

All high praise coming from you big boys.

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1996 e34 525i SE Touring [uberwagon!]
1992 e36 325i Coupe [track car]
1998 e36 316i SE Saloon [sold... but missed]


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 05:49

 ah well; I tried! Those damn french just have a way with words..

And that silver E36 318is was playing a stormer alright. Getting some nice roll-induced slides out of it, good lines & really quick out of the bends. A pleasure to be behind.



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: mikerd4
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 05:58
not harsh paul, just my bit of advice, Im no race driver but the laws of physics dont change, you lost so much braking so hard and being a 316 couldnt power it out hence the lack of rear end slide,  personally i enjoyed the ride think you showed a few big power boys up

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All about the sounds:-
Source:-Alpine 9833R Comps:-Phoenix Gold Ti6 Elites, Sub:- 2 x Focal Polyglass V2, Amps:- Arc Audio XK4150 & Soundstream Van Gogh All in a custom boot build


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 06:15
Originally posted by mikerd4 mikerd4 wrote:

think you showed a few big power boys up

certainly showed me up!


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 06:17
Me too... 

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http://www.kinmak.com - KinMak.com - http://www.elara.ie - Elara Online


Posted By: gjoconnor92
Date Posted: 20-October-2005 at 10:48

Just looked under car

Add to shopping list Rear anti roll bar

Brendan what source? which model in scrapyard or new aftermarket



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Gerard O'Connor

1989 E30 320i for track day use
1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!)
http://homepage.eircom.net/~goconnor/Fvee1/FVee.htm - Sheane Formula Vee
mailto:bmw2002_92@yahoo.ie - My e-mail


Posted By: b318isp
Date Posted: 21-October-2005 at 09:15
Originally posted by gjoconnor92 gjoconnor92 wrote:

Just looked under car


Add to shopping list Rear anti roll bar


Brendan what source? which model in scrapyard or new aftermarket



325i, breakers!

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http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/index.html - My E30 318is Site


Posted By: gjoconnor92
Date Posted: 21-October-2005 at 12:22
Thanks Brendan. The hunt is on.

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Gerard O'Connor

1989 E30 320i for track day use
1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!)
http://homepage.eircom.net/~goconnor/Fvee1/FVee.htm - Sheane Formula Vee
mailto:bmw2002_92@yahoo.ie - My e-mail


Posted By: denishogan
Date Posted: 21-October-2005 at 17:28
Ger,
As you are at it, maybe some bushes for same from http://www.suspension.com - suspension.com would be an idea!


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http://www.irishhillclimb.com - Irish Hillclimb and Sprint Championship



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