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Topic: ’Salad cream’ in oil filler cap ?!
Posted By: PeteV
Subject: ’Salad cream’ in oil filler cap ?!
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 10:58

Hi folks,

Just been to look at a 528i (build date on inner wing says September 1999). Care was great, only when I came to take a look inside the oil filler cap, there was a fair bit (enough to make a medium sandwhich!!) of the whiteish 'salad cream' deposit that can sometimes signify head problems. There were also a couple of visible drops of water below the cap, but no obvious signs of water on the dipstick. Dealer also reconed that he'd done an oil change about six weeks ago - if true, how come so much 'condensation' in such a short space of time ??

 

Dealer immediately says, "don't worry, that's just condensation sir as it hasn't been driven in weeks"..but well he probably would, I guess?!

Anyway, the car has clocked up just over the 100k mark, and the last owner seems to have done less than 5k miles in the last year, so it could well be he's correct with the condenstaion story.

In all other respects the car is fine, and the price is very keen too. So, do I chance my arm here & hope that it turns out OK, or that something minor is wrong, like a blocked crank case breather, or do I walk away??

 

Many thanks for all advice !!

Pete.

 




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Posted By: GraemeH
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:01
If I'm doing my maths correctly: 6 year old car, over 100k. Thus 15-20k a year. Above average mileage. Milky substance under oil cap. Market for E39s a buyers market. . .Gut reaction: walk.

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Posted By: 540 V8
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:23

I agree, not worth taking the chance. The dealer might just be telling the truth, but if you were trying to sell the car to make your bonus, what would you say!!??  ditto the man above, if in doubt - walk, or get the dealer to give you a decent warranty with no small print so if you do have trouble, it won't cost you. I'm sure there are many other similar models you could look at and get better peice of mind though.

Good luck

Mike



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Current:E34 540i Touring 6 speed manual(Mpower bodykit & suspension)& Chrysler Voyager 3.3 V6 auto
Previous:E34 530iSE AC Schnitzer suspension.
E28 525e auto-Standard


Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:29

i'd agree with all said already - if you've got nagging doubts at this stage, then think how you'll feel when it's a done deal !!

wait for one that you're entirely happy with, you know the old saying "buy in haste; repent at leisure"



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    2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto

    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly


Posted By: Bill-
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 12:21
The most common mixing of oil and water (Emulsification) causing a Milky substance not caused by malfunction occurs when the engine is run for a short period not allowing it to heat up properly this is a Killer for engines anyway... walk I would anyway there is loads out there..

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Posted By: Mick525i
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 13:00

I agree, It could be something as simple as a faulty Stat not allowing the engine to heat up enough allowing condensation to build up or something as serious as a cracked head. Still there is loads out there so keep looking. Let that one be...

 

Mick



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Mick

BMW E21 318 1980
BMW E39 525i 2002 MTech
VW Golf Gti 2003


Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 14:45
Plenty of other cars out there - I'd walk away as well

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Posted By: M5_Mark
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:12

... I've had several E39 5'ers and a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity, or with regular "cold start" shunting around (as a dealer may do on his forecourt, as he rotates his cars on display) especially on the 6-cylinder cars.However what you're describing sounds like head/head gasket failure to me. Best thing to do, is clean it off, go for a longish drive, and see if any traces of the salad creamy stuff start to reappear! like everyone else, I'd walk though, there's no shortage of nice E39's for sale!

 



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Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:16
Originally posted by M5_Mark M5_Mark wrote:

a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity....especially on the 6-cylinder cars.

my car has just come out of winter storage and the filler cap was as clean as a whistle



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    2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto

    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly


Posted By: M5_Mark
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:23
Originally posted by stephenperry stephenperry wrote:

Originally posted by M5_Mark M5_Mark wrote:

a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity....especially on the 6-cylinder cars.

my car has just come out of winter storage and the filler cap was as clean as a whistle



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E30 M3
E31 850Ci


Posted By: M5_Mark
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:29
....if the engine hasn't been started, during the period of inactivity, the oil filler cap/neck usually stays clean, however it usually seems to occur when the car is stood, started occasionally for a short while, and turned off before it gets properly warmed up. This is when the condensation starts to form.

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E30 M3
E31 850Ci


Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:33
ahhhh i see now

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    2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto

    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly


Posted By: Old shape!
Date Posted: 03-January-2006 at 09:20
It's academic now, but the condensation from a Cold-start-then-engine-off scenario will manifest itself as little white spots (No bigger than 3mm diameter I'd suggest) on the filler cap, and occasionally on the shaft of the dipstick.  Any sign of cream, or larger than white spots is almost certainly because coolant water is entering the Oil.  A very bad thing. 

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Paul DH
1994 E38 "Proud owner of a "3/4 engined E37.9 that's almost a real car with real paint...WITH 6 WASHER JETS!"
1989 520i (E34) Gone
1988 320i Coupe (E30) Gone
1995 520 Estate (E34) (Wife)
1992 320i SE OBC (E36) (Wife) Gone
1988 320i Saloon (E30) (Wife) Gone


Posted By: darkspirit
Date Posted: 03-January-2006 at 19:38

When I was looking for a 5 I looked at a 520. It has been in the forecourt a while and the garage owner seemed to use it as his daily runabout. The day before I went to buy I checked the oil filler cap and there was a very light brown gunk gathered underneath which was not there last week. I walked away from that one.

Glas I did really as it was a '97 and at that time I was unaware of the Nicasil problems and I ended up with a 528 :-}

 



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Posted By: bmwcrazy
Date Posted: 03-January-2006 at 20:18
walk away oil and water do cause this fault as said above
bad news as my bubby bought a car with this fault wast of money and time

good luck dazz



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Posted By: 523ss
Date Posted: 03-January-2006 at 21:00

I Spent months looking for my E39, looked at hundreds and finally found one that ticked all the boxes. If in any doubt, walk away as if you purchase, you will find that doubt always in the back of your mind. As above, there are loads of minters out there to be had.



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2001 E46 2.2 S.E silver black leather


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:00

errr, lets throw some controversy in the mix...

get the system pressure tested from the expansion tank, also get the cylinders compression tested.

if these are ok, take the car for a longish and hard drive and the deposit should clear up.

My car gets a fair amount of mayo on the cap after a week of to and from the office driving (3 miles each way), and I can assure you she is fresh as a daisy!

2 things here - 1) the concerns you have can be a good 'stick' to beat the vendor with, and 2) if he's trade, you should get a good warranty for free in the deal too.

 



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Posted By: dutch
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 18:23

hi sleeper

can i ask what oil you use in your baby?



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e39,1200 bandit
cooper S, Z3 topazbleu


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:11

Hi Dutch, silkolene pro-s from oilman.

whysatthen?



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Posted By: dutch
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 13:53
i do about the same miles per day as you, when i got my bm it was fitted with castrol magnatec an i got the cream! at service i changed to mobile one and have'nt had it since (the cream that is) just wondered if this is oil related in some way?

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e39,1200 bandit
cooper S, Z3 topazbleu


Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 13:56

you could do a head count of who uses which oil and who gets cream, see if theres any correlation

i use Castrol SLX II 0w30, 52k and salad-free!



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    2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto

    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly


Posted By: oilman
Date Posted: 06-January-2006 at 07:13

I get this on my car (20000miles/2 years old) and it's due to condensation. I do a lot of 5 mile trips to and from work and the oil barely gets time to get up to temp most days.

It may be as simple as that.

Cheers

Simon

 



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