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Topic: Thinking of Selling the car
Posted By: Richie
Subject: Thinking of Selling the car
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:37
Time has come to get myself sorted with some property so I'm seriously thinking of selling the car and getting somethin thats not worth as much.
I'm thinking of a 1995/96 M3.
Anyone seen any nice examples around outside autotrader,cbg and carzone? I want a real minter so will probably go to the UK.


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Richie





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Posted By: kdevitt
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:43
You're not going to get back the full value of your car unless you sell to an enthusiast - and the difference between what you sell for, and what you get your new M3 for will be minimal.

I said it to you before as well, but the E36 is a definate step down from the E46 in terms of comfort & build quality, no matter what lies under the bonnet I wouldn't get back in one...

Why not just hold on to yours for a year or two and do some big time saving...

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Posted By: kdevitt
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:44
Oh yeah - insurance and tax as well... M3 isn't what I'd be buying if I want to save cash!

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Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:58

Have to agree with Ken on the saving part - general running costs on an M3 are bound to be much higher than on the 323 (it looks soooo wrong when you type it like that, doesn't it!!!)

Have you spoken to a mortgage advisor/bank about your options?  I would start there before I looked at selling assets.  Plus, you won't get back all that you've put into the car, so you'll probably be starting at a loss.



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Posted By: kdevitt
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:08
If you're not paying back a car loan, it won't have an adverse affect on any mortgage application. And given the amount of banks offering 100% mortgages you don't even need your deposit.

After about 2 years, your 100% mortgage is only a 95% one in real terms as your property has appreciated. My missus does conveyancing and her mortgage broker sorted us out... told me how to 'hide' my twenty grand car loan too. She'll do your legal fees cheap too if you want!

If you are determined to flog the car, get something cheap to run for the year or two - that green 318is that Al has springs to mind, then buy yourself a newer M3 in a few years. That said, even if you got 10K profit from your own, it wouldn't make a huge impact on house repayments. Am holding onto my own car now for a year or so, thinking about a 645ci once I'm over the worst part of my buying a house ordeal!

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Posted By: Graham G
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:09

Richie - don't make any rash decisions ok!  Not after all your good work on your E46!

I am in the same boat in that I have a mortgage coming on stream within a matter of weeks and I needed cash but I figured it best to hold onto the car on the basis that

a) I really wouldn't want to step down to anything less comfortable or even more underpowered!
b) taking into consideration the cost of changing the car I woudl have cost myself a couple or few grand on that anyway.

Obviously an E36 M3 would be a very nice consolation if you're "down grading" but are you really going to end up that much better off financially?  Maybe you have done the maths? 

My advice would be to pay off your car loan (if you have one) and then talk to the banks and get what you can from them for a mortgage.
- or if Ken can show you how to hide a car loan then all the better!!



Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:12
Well I was hoping to put it up for sale in a casual way for a lot of money and see if I get a bite. If i do and i bring a nice M3 in from the UK I could be throwing 10k back in the bank towards a deposit. Also,my loan repayments on the car would half.

I haven't given it massive thought yet,was just thinking about it last night.

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Richie




Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:16
Rich

I know of an absolutely mint 93 m3 for sale. PM if you want more details.

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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:18
PM sent Eamo!

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Richie




Posted By: nn_dd
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:38
1100 Euro Tax, 2K+ Insurance, 25mpg (if you're good), HUGE main dealer service cost, an older car never requires JUST an oil change - always something small wearing out. You WILL want to modify it.

I'm 10 years down the mortgage route, can really only afford my M3 now.

If you really want to save money, honestly this is not the type of car to buy, a secondhand corolla would be more suitable.

You have your one sorted out, you know it well, there should be less surprises in the future that will sap out your loose cash after all the bills are paid. Your best bet would be to keep your own.

Property purchase is all about compromise in the beginning, I do not no know how anybody can afford it starting out now - fair play to ya !

Nigel.


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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:45
Thats all true Nigel. I maybe need to think about it more and do some sums.

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Richie




Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:02

I'd agree with the above too, I now prescribe to the multiple asset theory with cars etc - instead of one expensive motor.

Having the company car helps me a lot too.

I was told once by a mate who went from 328 to M3 that the bills virtually double!

@nn_dd: you are a brave man with an M3 and an alfa GTV!!!



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Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:02
Originally posted by Richie Richie wrote:

PM sent Eamo!


replied - dont mind the boys either - go for it!!!

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:08
@eamo: would he not be better looking at E30 M3?!?

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Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:12
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

@eamo: would he not be better looking at E30 M3?!?


absolutely!! - I stand to be corrected but our Rich is not an e30 guy!

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:14
rubbish! we all have a heart for the E30 - 'tis burnt into your soul.

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Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:15
I hope your right

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Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:03

... I'd subscribe to the 'ditch the car and put the money in a gaff' school of thought. Fine, you can hide the loan, but you still have to pay for the loan (on a depreciating asset) each month. You make a finite amount each month after all. And the mortgage payment is only thing:

Lumpsum for the solicitor fees & to get the house half way habitable - old dolls you bring back don't go for the "fancy a bit of rumpy bumpy under the cardboard" line. Or sitting on a cavity block for that matter.  Not to mind a TV, fridge, hob, washing machine, possible kitchen etc etc..

then you have monthly payments on: ESB, Gas, life & mortgage protection, house insurance, sky, telephone/Broadband etc.. all on top of the mortgage. If it's an apartment, then there's the yearly maintanence/upkeep fee to factor in.

At least by releasing a cash sum from the wheels you can get all that stuff done & dusted, can adjust to the reduced disposable income, and then figure out how to finance something tasty again (& your car is trés tasty, lad. That CSL boot is the piece-de-resistance).

And on another positive, if you're knocking about in something you consider a stop gap and not too fussy about, we might see you out at the next trackday in it!



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S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
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Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:06
I do love the e30 but I wouldn't drive a LHD car. Design wise it's a peachy car.
I'm also looking into the 328's now so maybe a tasty one of those will fill the gap. Who knows.
Think I'll speak to the Bank Manager first before I do anything stupid.

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Richie




Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:12
maybe not do anything stupid at all rich! ;-)

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Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:14

a tasty 328 you say.... *wink wink nod nod*

 



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:15
one lady owner, never been thrashed....

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Posted By: UJM3
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:47

Go for it Richie..

I thought i might have to sell the M3 when i got the house, but so far so good.. And the M3 is not that dear to run as long as you steer clear of main dealers.And hunt round for the best deal on parts .yeah you get violated by the tax man but its worth it. For the performance you get the fuel economy is excellent. no probs running it every day. yeah parts wear out but they do in all cars, just get a good one to start with.. Ive done over 10k in mine since i got it and all i've replaced apart from routine servicing is track rod, rear top mounts and anti roll bar links.. ( oh and rear tyres but what can you do)these parts are no dearer than a 318is and just as likely to go in one of those.



Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:15
Check out this car 3rd one down...how tasty!!!

http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/28499/stock.htm - 328i

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Richie




Posted By: BigPhil
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:17

Originally posted by Richie Richie wrote:

Time has come to get myself sorted with some property so I'm seriously thinking of selling the car and getting somethin thats not worth as much.
I'm thinking of a 1995/96 M3.
Anyone seen any nice examples around outside autotrader,cbg and carzone? I want a real minter so will probably go to the UK.

Is that your car in the picture ? I was pulled up along side one like that on stephens day at the toll bridge on M50, few kids in the back were staring across at me. is your a 320 coupe or something ? it caught my eye as it was so low down.  Maybe that was all the kids in the back



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997 C2 now.


Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:43
Ritche - M3 is definitely more costly to run, excluding tyres, parts, services etc I was dropping almost 3k on tax and insurance. 

I weighed it up one day and with the state of the roads, traffic etc etc and increased mileage it had to go.  Hence why I now drive a P1ss rat estate TDI waering a balaclava, but I have to say its great cos I don't give a toss about it, I park it anywhere, people won't park beside me incase I ding their doors rather than it being the other way round.

Best of luck with the house hunting, max your monthly repayments and keep your term as short as possible - thats where the big savings are.



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In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!)
Previous Models
2001 E39 520i Auto
1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual
1996 E36 328i Coupe
1997 E36 318i Conv
1992 E36 316i Sln



Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:49
@Phil...I was on the M50 on Stephens Day alrite!! I had 2 people and luggage in the car so it could have been me. Around 3:30 or so in the afternoon???

@Martin...I'm takin that on board

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Richie




Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:50
@Phil..saying that I would have noticed an E46 m3 beside me unless my senses area bit off!!!

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Richie




Posted By: BigPhil
Date Posted: 04-January-2006 at 09:52

This was about 1pm or so........by 3.30 I was down in limerick.

musnt have been you.

Good luck with your plans anyway.



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997 C2 now.


Posted By: nn_dd
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 06:47
Hey Richie, just something else to consider. The M3 is probably more reliable than you might expect, but these things were the equivalent of 75-80K back in 96/97, so it will cost the same to run now as it did back then - minus the dealer servicing, from personal experience they know not what they do on the older cars.
I've done 14K miles in 15 months, I've dropped just under 5K into it excluding petrol, which is about 50Euro for 250'ish miles and including 2 big services, I'm also expecting more bad news next week after the clutch is replaced - as the driveshaft is making funny noises. These are the surprises that can cost a grand at a time. If you're trying to budget your outgoings, any old car especially a high performance one will make a fool out of you.
As for the driving eperience, Ken is right about the refinement and quality, but the E36 M3 is a much more excitable drive than any E46, the E46 M3 is bettter all round, but it just didn't get the juices flowing when I had one out for a test drive, I was expecting more from the hype.
Just don't get yourself all screwed up financially over a car. Believe me, when you pull your first beer out of your own fridge, it'll be worth it.

Best of luck with it.
Nigel


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Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 06:51

Originally posted by nn_dd nn_dd wrote:

Believe me, when you pull your first beer out of your own fridge, it'll be worth it.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Nigel. Partic the bit above.

 



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: nn_dd
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 06:54
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I was told once by a mate who went from 328 to M3 that the bills virtually double!

@nn_dd: you are a brave man with an M3 and an alfa GTV!!!



Tell me about it, new clutch next week on the M3 and the Alfa has been off the road since middle of Dec, spent 1,500 Euro on it with service, T-belt and suspension bits and then they found the subframe had broken - another 2K to get it going again, being fitted on Monday. Up to then it had been running like a dream the past 4 yrs, but parts are ridiculously expensive and made of chocolate. (bad word after Christmas)


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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 06:56

Originally posted by kdevitt kdevitt wrote:

That said, even if you got 10K profit from your own, it wouldn't make a huge impact on house repayments.

In terms of the size of mortgage true, but if 10k means you can get a 95% mortgage instead of a 100% one then it will make a big difference. You will get a much better interest rate, at least 1% less, which on a 100k house works out at around £72 a month.



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:00

Originally posted by kdevitt kdevitt wrote:

That said, even if you got 10K profit from your own, it wouldn't make a huge impact on house repayments.

In terms of the size of mortgage true, but if 10k means you can get a 95% mortgage instead of a 100% one then it will make a big difference. You will get a much better interest rate, at least 1% less, which on a 100k house works out at around £72 a month. Not sure what this is in Euros though...... 

 

 



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Posted By: kdevitt
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:15
Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

Originally posted by nn_dd nn_dd wrote:

Believe me, when you pull your first beer out of your own fridge, it'll be worth it.


Couldn't have said it better myself, Nigel. Partic the bit above.


 



To be honest, I'm thoroughly depressed everytime I take the beer from my fridge, knowing I could be living at home with a brand new M3 instead of my 2 bed duplex... but horses for courses :D



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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:23
Ok lads you're depressing me. Maybe I'll keep the 323ci. Maybe I'll buy this today and be done with it!!


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Richie




Posted By: nn_dd
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:28
If you buy that, you'll certainly be done 

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E39 530d Touring




Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:35
dont think its time for the pipe and slippers yet boss!!

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Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:40
I love those cars.Only a temporary measure mind you. Cruise around for fun in it!!

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Richie




Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 07:53
Originally posted by Richie Richie wrote:

Ok lads you're depressing me. Maybe I'll keep the 323ci. Maybe I'll buy this today and be done with it!!


Sure wouldn't that be big enough to live in?


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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:13
Now you're thinkin along my lines Killian.

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Richie




Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:28

That is a thing of beauty, Richie.  The only problem with it is that with the way property prices are increasing and property sizes decreasing, your car really could end up being bigger than your house!

Was in my cousins house in Swords a few weeks ago, and couldn't fit my car in her driveway - it was too wide!!!



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Posted By: Jimboh
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:41
You could always sub let the back of that beast.
It would be a shame if you had to sell after all the work you have put in.



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Jim
E39 520I (sold)
E39 530D


Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:54
I'm coming around to the idea of sellin and gettin a mix of cars over the next year. E36 M3,728i,328i and an e39 520 sport. I'd like to try all them out so I think I will.

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Richie




Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:54
If only BMW made Caravans!!!!!

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Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 09:33
Well my 328i could be for sale.... I'll be notifying the forum populus after I type this!

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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 09:36
I'll be after a soft top 328 TJ

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Richie




Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 09:38

An angle grinder & decent North-Face tent will have mine set-up to your preference...



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 11:17

You have a lovely car richie shame to get rid of it but been in the same boat had a great 1988 325 coupe and lots done to it had to move it on when moving house extra money helped a lot but on the bright side once you get your feet on the ground again you could probably afford an e46m3. Every time i got my feet on the ground again i upgraded to a bigger house and now have one with a bit of land so feet on the ground again thinking of a m3 myself that same itch (must be contagious) but you never know pm me with details of your motor and when you want to move on it.

Would it be possible to consolidate the car into the mortgage



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 11:46

what you need to sort out that itch Lesurely is a E36 328i coupe with choice mods for the descerning pilot.

Just so happens I know of a taaaaaaasty one for sale!  



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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254">

Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 12:13
Les - not a great idea to consolidate your car loan into your mortgage; you end up paying off the car over 25/30 years and it costs you up to 3 times as much when you take the interest paid into account.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 12:22
northern bank again anybody?!?

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Posted By: techno violet
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 13:47

Hope you dont have to sell the e46 coup richie,lovely car.And with the amount of tasty mods you've done to it(that csl bootlid included).All ill say is think about it as with any modded car,you're never going to get the value back.And with the next car you will want to add your own touches to it also which would easily use up most of the excess cash from the move to an older model.

In any case good luck with the property venture



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Posted By: mikerd4
Date Posted: 05-January-2006 at 15:07
ill swap ya plus no cash for my e36 lol

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