There is to be another TSN meeting on Sunday 5th February 2006.

Those who attended the Holy Island Meet will know this is a good bunch of guys with a varied selection of cars.

The meet is currently scheduled for 2pm in the afternoon, starting at the A1 Northbound Washington Services. 

A run of some form is being looked at right now, and I'll post details of it later.  The duration of the run is likely to be in the region of 45 minutes to an hour, returning to the A1 or allowing people to branch off and go their own way should they wish to.

So far, we have CONFIRMED 10 CARS.  Others may join us between now and then.

A4 TDi's, A6 TDi's, E30 318, VW Passat, VW Phaeton, and a few others.  It's possible we might also see a Ferrari F360 F1 or Hummer.

Please post below if you're DEFINATELY going to attend.  We'd like to avoid cancellations or non-confirmed cars this time if we can.

Sorry Guys think some of us are committed to a meeting in Scone (near Perth) with the Scottish New Mini (BMW) Owners

So I wouldn't think any of the Scottish posse will be down for yours

Have fun !

Any more takers?

Omi318is wrote: Yes... But you really ought to edit your original post. It's NOT a 318.. It's a 318iS.

Oh here we go.....

See you back on TSN, pedant!

would of been up for this if i was not going to another meet in Scotland

Maybe next time

Stick with 6 pots. far less hassle. V8 over rated and over stated.

billgates e30 wrote: Omi318is wrote: Yes... But you really ought to edit your original post. It's NOT a 318.. It's a 318iS. still just a four pot though

So what's wrong with a 4 pot?

It's cheap, reliable, fast enough and you can do the Tour of Britain in an almost non stop 17-hour journey (24hrs in total with the required breaks plus other business committments)

Overated!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why I oughta!

145mph 0- 60 7.8 secs and pulls like a whore in Bankok ..amd then you hit 4.5 thousand revs and she starts to pull even more.

More grunt than a prize winning Bull.....

And the insurance is cheaper than a 325..

I'm suprised everyone hasn'y got one..

Come the day citizen V8 will be mandatory!

Rant over

Stick with 6 pots. far less hassle. V8 over rated and over stated.

Terry...Please refer to my previous rant

I thought you knew better!!!

Its great going fishing, you cast out a line and you just know a V8 owner from the pond will bite.

I think we need to look at this a little more scientifically. Why create an animal with 8 legs when an animal with 6 legs can do the same sprint in the same time at the same speed. (Cubic Capacity is what you need).

The V8 has 2 more pots, (more weight). Does roughly the same speed as a 6 pot 3.5, has only a small handful of extra bhp and accelerates no quicker than a 6 pot.

The 6 pot is streamlined, straightforward and carries just enough to get the job done. 

While the 6 pot revs freely up to 6000 rpm like a spitfire winding up for the kill, the V8 thunders on like Fred Flinstones bowling ball heading for the last two pins.

Why have 8??

Great rant 10/10

Terry

Terry

Sir you have no soul..........

my money is on the spider over the ant.

The noise , the effortless performance, more weight = extra grip and 6k revs .. no problem

and when that spitfire finally falls from the sky. the Ball just keepsa rollin'..

anyway rant finished

Getting back to the thread topic....

Not a very good showing for this one.  The Northeast forum does indeed appeared to have died a grim death.

Coasting wrote: Please post below if you're DEFINATELY going to attend.  We'd like to avoid cancellations or non-confirmed cars this time if we can.

I don't know if I can definately make it yet, which is why I haven't posted yet.... As instructed by you chief!!!!

Aye, we'll still have a reasonable turnout, I just thought we'd get a few more from here.  Still, there's time yet I guess.

I spotted Chris (billgates) lurking on TSN but he didn't post....

AndyS wrote: Horsepower is 218bhp against 211bhp (in the E34 anyway) & it's down on torque too but then it's only 3.0 litres. Now the 4.0 litre with 286bhp . .

Firmly with Andy on this.  Taking 6 pots rather than 8 should only ever be done if the pots contain poisonous snakes.

In motoring terms though - well I can't ever see me wanting to go back to 6 pots.

The noise, the torque, the smoothness and ease of delivery.....and 333 horseys backed up by 332 lbs of the big T, well it's just heavenly.

I laugh at your mini motor engines, and scoff at your tiny bhp figures!!!

I would have a W16.  With 1001bhp.  (& 4 turbos)

Does this mean the BMW is been traded for a new Bugatti??

++ IMPORTANT UPDATE ++ IMPORTANT UPDATE ++

There are now a minimum of 12 cars confirmed for this (excluding anyone from the BMWCC Northeast).

However, the format of the meet has now changed.  The intention now is to meet at Washington Services Northbound (A1) at 9.45am.

At 10.15am we'll then depart for Haggerston Castle where we will meet a couple of guys from TSN Scotland.  They'll be in two interesting cars too.  A Mark IV VW Golf R32 and a brand new Mark V VW Golf R32.

From there, we'll be going on an hours trip somewhere across some decent country lanes before stopping off for a bite to eat.

Route details will be available closer to the date.

If you're still coming to this, or a new addition, please post below and let me know so we have a good idea of numbers.

Cant make it Chris, too early for me. I did try and get Sun night off but I have just been told "computer says NO"

Have a good one

Last gasp attempt at support from BMWCC.

Is ANYONE from here coming?

What has happened to this place!

I think it's just too early in the year mate.  Short days and cold weather make runs less attractive.  You also get less done during the week, so you have more to do at the weekend etc.

I'll catch you on the next one mate.... 

E46ACS wrote: I think it's just too early in the year mate.  Short days and cold weather make runs less attractive.  You also get less done during the week, so you have more to do at the weekend etc. I'll catch you on the next one mate....

It's not too early for 12+ to turn up from another forum in new R32's, S4's and S3's that most would prefer to keep clean and shiney on a Sunday in February!

Baah lack of character man!

Very disappointed in you all!

The region has all but disappeared it would appear.

Coasting wrote: E46ACS wrote: I think it's just too early in the year mate.  Short days and cold weather make runs less attractive.  You also get less done during the week, so you have more to do at the weekend etc. I'll catch you on the next one mate....  It's not too early for 12+ to turn up from another forum in new R32's, S4's and S3's that most would prefer to keep clean and shiney on a Sunday in February! Baah lack of character man! Very disappointed in you all! The region has all but disappeared it would appear.

i am very disappointed in you Coasting. i am sure lots of members would love to attend but due to other committments they cant. the last thing these people need is a slating for it.

i think you should apologise for the lack of character remark. we bmw drivers need to pull together not grief each other.

AndyS wrote: Not everyone wants to get involved in a "spirited" wacky races drive where they stuggle to keep up with big performance cars.   Apart from the fact that older cars just don't have the brakes or roadholding we worry for the safety of our pride & joys.

Well, well, wacky races?  Since when have you suffered from medium term memory loss Andy?  Because if memory serves me rightly, and I've checked this with someone else just to be sure, it was a red 635 that was the lead car on the last outing.  You wacky racer eh.

Kettle.  Black.  Pot.   All words that spring to mind.

Furthermore, what makes your pride and joy different from a newer pride and joy.  Absolutely nothing.  You're just making an assumption and we all know what can be made out of that word.  It's extremely judgemental to say the least.

If you prang your Six you can just go & buy another, I can't replace my 635 so easily.

Ah, I see, well that's alright then.

Another issue is the "gang" mentality. Driving fast rather than just quickly is best done with one car.  Two or more cars driving very fast together would be seen as racing in the eyes of the law.

Ahem, and I'll refer you to my earlier comment about the colour of instruments used for boiling water.  Quite astonishing comments to be honest Andy.  At least I know your real thoughts on the previous TSN meet now, although I find it much easier to speak as I find at the time.  Waiting a few months and then announcing that everyone had a gang mentality and were a bunch of wacky racers?  Hmmm.  How odd.

It's up to the individual whether it's the kind of event they want to attend so don't throw your teddy out of the pram just because not everyone wants to come out & play.

I get the idea though, because at least you've revealed your true thoughts on the meets now.

Rhys wrote: I prefer a more leasurly driving style as well. My other half feels sick when I'm driving at any speed on country roads. I'm with AndyS on this one I'm afraid.

Is this catching Rhys?

Cast your mind back.  Remember a yellow M3 in your rear view mirror as YOU took the lead across those country lanes?

This is quite incredible.  Everyone appears to preach one thing, yet have been witnessed to practice another.

Jesus guys, think about it.  Saying is all well and good, but please don't patronise me when I've been behind both of your cars as you've caned them down country lanes with no-one encouraging you to do so!!!!!

Rhys... busted!! 

come on up to one of the meetings at this end Coasting, we've got a deficit of people willing to drive their cars at more than walking pace

TRACKPIG wrote: i am very disappointed in you Coasting. i am sure lots of members would love to attend but due to other committments they cant. the last thing these people need is a slating for it. i think you should apologise for the lack of character remark. we bmw drivers need to pull together not grief each other.

TP, firstly my comments were tongue in cheek, as anyone who has met me would know without much guessing.

However, they've been met with two quite remarkable claims to sobriety that I can only really describe as 'exaggerated innocence'!!!

I'm not one for BMW drivers pulling together as I class motoring enthusiasts as a much wider group.  I've always tried to encourage BMWCC and Joint Meets, so if anything I've done more than my bit to try to 'pull things together'.  I do appreciate the fact that not everyone can come to every occasion.

I'll leave the Northeast to do it's own thing in future.

Coasting wrote: Because if memory serves me rightly, and I've checked this with someone else just to be sure, it was a red 635 that was the lead car on the last outing.  You wacky racer eh. Kettle.  Black.  Pot.   All words that spring to mind.

As I remember it was you who said "lead the way as you know the road". I like to have a spirited drive now & then too, never denied it. However, & Tim will confirm this, "spirited" does not mean struggling to keep the car on the road.

Coasting wrote: Furthermore, what makes your pride and joy different from a newer pride and joy.  Absolutely nothing.

The fact that it can't be replaced easily. Even getting a front wing is a hit & miss affair. Some parts are not even available at the moment. How long would you want to be without your pride & joy.

Coasting wrote: At least I know your real thoughts on the previous TSN meet now, although I find it much easier to speak as I find at the time.  Waiting a few months and then announcing that everyone had a gang mentality and were a bunch of wacky racers?  Hmmm.  How odd.

Cast your mind back. I did complain about having to chase all the way up the A1 like a bloody loony just to catch up with rest of you.

Coasting wrote: Well I think it's safe to say that if I threw my toys out, that you got rid of the covers, the pillow, and probably wrecked the pram afterwards just for safe measure.

Don't like someone disagreeing with you huh?

Coasting wrote: I get the idea though, because at least you've revealed your true thoughts on the meets now.

Coasting wrote: my comments were tongue in cheek, as anyone who has met me would know without much guessing.

Coasting wrote: I'll leave the Northeast to do it's own thing in future.

Oh, so we're dumped just because we don't blindly follow when you want to go all Alpha Male Tribe Leader on us? How will we survive???

AndyS wrote: As I remember it was you who said "lead the way as you know the road". I like to have a spirited drive now & then too, never denied it. However, & Tim will confirm this, "spirited" does not mean struggling to keep the car on the road.

The fact is, whether you want to continue denying the truth or not (and you are), YOU were the lead car, YOU dictated the pace, and YOU decided it was suitable.  So for you now to criticise the pace of the runs is frankly nothing less than ludicrous.  All the way down those back roads you were in control.  Not us.  Not anyone pushing you.  You.  The A1 section was a mere fraction of the trip.  So what if you had to catch people up on the A1?  Did you flash us?  No.

After following you down the country lanes at breakneck pace, are we then meant to read your mind from a distance when you decide to slow down on the A1? 

I've mentioned this to the people on the run today, 6 of which were at the run you lead Andy.  On the question of our pace, your accusation of 'Wacky Racers' and 'Gang culture' was met with amazement.  I'm not the only one that witnessed it Andy, but you appear to be the only one with a certain recollection of events.

In respect of the Pride & Joy comment, well again I'll refer you to the previous meet.  You didn't seem too concerned about the availability of a wing then.  Ultimately, it's up to you how spirited you drive.  No-one forces you to drive quickly, especially when you're the lead car.

AndyS wrote: Cast your mind back. I did complain about having to chase all the way up the A1 like a bloody loony just to catch up with rest of you.

Did you?  I don't recall it.  Is there reference to it in the thread relating to the meet Andy?  Incredible.

AndyS wrote: Don't like someone disagreeing with you huh?

Ermmm, Andy.  It was YOU that started your little tirade of unnecessary comments to what was a tongue in cheek post.  Indeed you've made this post after I confirmed it was tongue in cheek, yet you've continued with a hoard of comments that have no factual base whatsoever.   I'd ask you to look closer to home at someone who doesn't like an opinion given back to them - especially when it is based on facts, not fiction.

AndyS wrote: My comments were a response to your heavy handed attempt to bully other people into attending your meet & your comments directed at those of us who declined your invitation. You wonder why more of the NE members haven't come on your runs? Not everyone likes to be dictated to by you. Remember the Corbridge debacle???

You don't read posts do you Andy?  I made it clear it was tongue in cheek.  Yet still, you persist.  Then, you raise another meet and call it a debacle.  You've got quite a nest of little bees wanting to get out of that bonnet by the sounds of it. 

Again, and I'll say this to everyone, have a little search of the threads and see if you said this then Andy.  Well, well, you didn't, did you? 

Not fiction Andy - all facts for people to go and find for themselves.

However, let me ask this, what gives you the right to think you speak for all the attendees of the meets?  Just what?  Absolutely nothing.

Nick wrote: And now back to the point in question of no customers for Coasting. There is another run out today that is maybe clashing with yours. StuB and a some of the Zed guys are out having blast with some of the Pistonheads lot. And there was the BMWCC regional AGM yesterday in Leeds.. some folks are unable to do 2 events in one weekend. Nick

All of which is perfectly understandable Nick.  As I said, it was made tongue in cheek.  Perhaps a smiley or two would have emphasised that in retrospect.

Nonetheless, what it did not warrant was the tirade of total fiction it received.

AndyS wrote: Oh, so we're dumped just because we don't blindly follow when you want to go all Alpha Male Tribe Leader on us? How will we survive???

Do you realise just HOW bitter you sound Andy? 

Incredible.

Chris, I won't attend any of these 'spirited driving' days for a couple of reasons:-

• I think its risky that arrangements and routes are discussed quite openly on a public forum - it's all there for anyone to see.
• I've read most of the post event comments to most of the previous trips, and have to agree with a point that Andy made - it's quite obvious (regardless of who is leading) that the events become nothing more than a race on a public road. If there's an accident - and we've had these before on a 'non-spirited driving' day - apart from the people involved, have you considered your position as the organisor?

All this has now become the norm and I don't think you realise how exposed you've become.

I also don't understand these comments about the NorthEast. As Nick says, the Regional AGM was held yesterday. Shouldn't the question be why didn't certain people attend that, rather that why wasn't this 'spirited driving' event better attended?

Nick wrote: And there was the BMWCC regional AGM yesterday in Leeds.. some folks are unable to do 2 events in one weekend. Nick

Well, I went yesterday Nick. 170 miles on the damp and greasy A1. Quite happy to go, and I'll not mention how 'spirited' the drive was.

Mick

Blimey I don't log on for a few weeks and all hell breaks lose ! Ok I feel I should have my 2 penneth. I never complained about the Seahouses run, prefering instead to keep my thoughts to myself, because like Chris said no one forces people to "thrash" their cars. However I did feel that people got left behind, I'm talking me and BillGates at least, (were there others ? ).

This did make me less than enthusiastic to repeat the experience, and so did not attend the last one (perhaps others thought the same ? ). Nothing against Chris if he wants to organise this kind of run, but I much preferred the Keilder run for 2 reasons. 1) It was all BMW's, and the buzz from seeing peoples faces as we passed them, a large convoy of BMW's   2) The pace was fine and no one got left behind.

Chris you headed this run and you must admit no one did get left behind.

I've nothing against the Audi lads and meeting them was good, but on a run I prefer to be with all BMW's and as will attend such runs in the future.

Well thats it, no malice or harsh words, just an expression of prefferance, which at the end of the day is what we are all entitled to !

AndyS wrote: I'm working on another Drive 'N' Dine right now so watch this space.

Andy, don't forget to run this past the Regional Events Co-ordinator.

Cheers

Mick