Red B10 E28 in BMW Car Mag?
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Topic: Red B10 E28 in BMW Car Mag?
Posted By: Drew540i
Subject: Red B10 E28 in BMW Car Mag?
Date Posted: 27-January-2006 at 09:38
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Is that a real one? The plaque looks decidedly iffy
and not like the ones in my B9 3.5 or the C1 2.3. I might be wrong though. Does look like a lovely thing mind you. There's something about E28's with Alpina rims and a nice low ride height! 
Wonder how much he wants for it?? |
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Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 27-January-2006 at 20:30
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can you scan a pic and upload it? ------------- 2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto 1983 Ford Sierra XR4i 2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118 1999 BMW 323Ci 1995 BMW 318i SE 1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS 1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX 1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX 1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL 1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 28-January-2006 at 06:35
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Sorry, too fick to do that!
The serial number looks way too big and is stamped onto the black bit rather than the small rectangular polished bit. I know, I'll fetch me anorak!
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Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 28-January-2006 at 06:37
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Love the XR4i by the way. My old Man had one as a
company car in late 1983, A plater in Cardinal red! They were actually a pretty accomplished car. There's a black one in my local scrapyard......... |
Posted By: Aidan316i
Date Posted: 28-January-2006 at 10:44
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If you guys want I can scan it up for you
------------- www.ni-bmw.co.uk E46 316i Saloon E36 323i Touring 
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Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 31-January-2006 at 11:24
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I would have thought it looked pretty genuine to me - read the article in full last night and is for sale as well. There were a lot of pictures in with a lot of Alpina decals. I would also have thought that they would have checked the car out to confirm its genuinity. I would buy it if I had the money - oh to own another E28 and an alpina in one go Paul -------------  95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 31-January-2006 at 12:53
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that would be great Aidan ------------- 2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto 1983 Ford Sierra XR4i 2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118 1999 BMW 323Ci 1995 BMW 318i SE 1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS 1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX 1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX 1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL 1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly |
Aidan316i wrote:Posted By: L8 ALPINA
Date Posted: 31-January-2006 at 13:31
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Does look like its larger writing on the plaque than usual to me but it looks a beaut. Has anybody found out the price yet ??? |
Posted By: Aidan316i
Date Posted: 31-January-2006 at 13:54
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@stephen: I'll get it scanned up tonight for you
------------- www.ni-bmw.co.uk E46 316i Saloon E36 323i Touring
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Posted By: Aidan316i
Date Posted: 01-February-2006 at 10:44
Sorry lads, I knew I had forgotten to do something!  If someone can edit them together then that would be better, can scan up more if you guys want ------------- www.ni-bmw.co.uk E46 316i Saloon E36 323i Touring
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 05-February-2006 at 09:35
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it looks gen to me, considering the owner has had it from new, the provenance should be easy to trace! ------------- we're the Sweeney son, and we ain't had our dinner..... |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 05-February-2006 at 11:05
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Had what from new - a real B10 or an M535i?
Anyone can add a set of Alpina wheels (which don't have centre caps - is that right?) and some dodgy lowering springs. Real B10's were never that low although many (my B9 included) had aftermarket springs added. It's a lovely looking car, but something doesn't quite add up. |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 06-February-2006 at 04:34
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If you read the article, which I have as I always buy it, says it was an M535i sent out to Alpina to be converted into a B10 Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 06-February-2006 at 08:48
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Well I have doubts...........
Firstly the article says it's a 1985 car - it's actually October 1986, originally D registered. The first B10 built by Sytners was built in early 1985 and it might have been B570 HAU. The article says this was the first B10 Sytners built which is complete nonsense. As for engines - they were built by Alpina and shipped over. I doubt very much that the engine was removed and sent to Germany and then brought back with a Sytner mechanic when it took one bloke about a month to build the engine. What did the Sytner bloke do? Clean the bogs? If it really was a 1986 B10, it would have the later type alloys fitted from early 1986 which had lockable centre caps. The wheels on this car are older B9 and early B10 types. The Alpina plaque looks like a copy. As I said, this car and the story don't add up. But I like it a lot - it looks fantastic. |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 07-February-2006 at 04:39
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It does look fantastic and I'm pretty sure it is genuine - I would have thought it would be easy to trace whether it is or not through the BMW network and if it is genuine he would be more than happy to show paperwork as it is for sale Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 07-February-2006 at 14:12
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Sorry Andy, I have to disagree with you there, the owner may well have bought it as an M535i, then a few months later had it converted to B10 spec, so does that still not make it a genuine Alpina, 1 owner from new etc?
Jimmy's B10 was ordered from Sytners, and collected and serviced (running in) at Alpina in Buchloe, yet is still classed as a UK B10! Unless you talk to the owner, you can't say it is anything but a genuine car. He must have all the info regarding the conversion, and provenance must be easy to prove. Do this and disprove it as a genuine car? ------------- we're the Sweeney son, and we ain't had our dinner..... |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 07-February-2006 at 15:48
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As I've said, there are too many holes in the story.
For a start this one owner car had an owner change in 1994! It's not the first ever UK B10. It's got the wrong wheels, the plaque looks iffy, the springs are wrong (too low) , no B10 badges etc etc etc. Now there could be an explanation for everything - maybe it was in his company's name and he changed it in 1994. But I doubt Alpina in Germany would have converted a secondhand car and neither would Sytners. Nor would they have sent their mechanic to Buchloe - what for? |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 07-February-2006 at 17:22
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Sytners have converted used cars though, if it was within a certain period from date of reg, and dependent on mileage, they'd do it!
Like you say the spings can be changed, and the owner change etc will more than likely be explained by something like you state above, as for badges etc, you didn't have to have them fitted. |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 07-February-2006 at 18:04
I stand corrected! Maybe this is the case then - because the E28 B10 was a UK only model, maybe the plaque is something Alpina in Germany made up. Odd that it doesn't have the later wheels because it should have. The car is late 1986 registered which means a 1987-8 conversion and the old B9 style wheels were long gone unless it was a case of 'chuck zese on Heinrich, zer English Pig Dog vill never know'
But I'd still like to see all the paperwork and talk to someone at Sytners/Buchloe........ |
Posted By: D4BMW
Date Posted: 08-February-2006 at 16:16
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The car is genuine - was ordered from new as seen in the pictures and is listed in my files with all the detail from Sytners build records even had the same registration from new. ------------- BMWCCGB ALPINA Register E46 330Ci Sport E32 Alpina B11 E28 Alpina B9 http://www.thealpinaregister.com/ - www.thealpinaregister.com |
Posted By: D4BMW
Date Posted: 08-February-2006 at 16:21
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for the record the conversion date was 10.10.1986 and yes i agree that the later wheels would normally have been seen.. but perhaps in 1986 the old wheel was a no cost option.. just like on the E39 in europe there was a bolted version.. and like in the forthcoming D3 or B6 the wheels can either be classic or dynamic design without any cost difference... ------------- BMWCCGB ALPINA Register E46 330Ci Sport E32 Alpina B11 E28 Alpina B9 http://www.thealpinaregister.com/ - www.thealpinaregister.com |
Posted By: Drew540i
Date Posted: 08-February-2006 at 17:59
I stand corrected! 
I think the owner might have been mis-informed over a couple of things though (first UK B10 etc). Thanks for clearing that up Andy. |
Posted By: D4BMW
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 18:00
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I do agree Drew about the misinformation about it being the 1st B10.. that's as you said before definately not correct...
------------- BMWCCGB ALPINA Register E46 330Ci Sport E32 Alpina B11 E28 Alpina B9 http://www.thealpinaregister.com/ - www.thealpinaregister.com |