Penalty points
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Topic: Penalty points
Posted By: Nigel
Subject: Penalty points
Date Posted: 08-February-2006 at 18:28
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The public ignore them, insurance companies ignore them (in my experience), and now magistrates ignore them lol http://www.itvregions.com/Granada/News/Driver+keeps+licence+despite+31+penalty+points.htm - http://www.itvregions.com/Granada/News/Driver+keeps+licence+ despite+31+penalty+points.htm ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 04:27
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This case is quite shocking. He should have been banned. How about taking responsibillity for your actions. Ok 3 or 6 points is unlucky, 9 is careless and 12 is just stupid but 31 is bordering on the insane. Mind you if penalty points weren't handed out with such gay abandon then they might be taken more seriously. When a huge proportion of the driving population have at least 3 points it becomes the norm and no longer socially unacceptable. Insurance companies ingonore them because they obvioulsy see no correlation between 3 points and an increased risk of a claim.
------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: Mike Fishwick
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:01
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Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.
I remember when points were introduced, the story being that they would only be used for those whose road behaviour had been dangerous to some degree or another. We now see points being handed out for non-driving offences such as failure to present one's documents, and the threat of licences being withdrawn for non-motoring issues such as failure to comply with maintenance orders from the CSA! I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence. |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:03
Under the new road safety bill a French licence won't stop you getting points here or disqualified by totting here, should you commit endorseable offences. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Mike Fishwick wrote:Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:13
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There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state.
------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:16
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I'm not saying that the points were justified but what it shows is that even after getting so many he is still unable to drive in a way that doesn't get him more. He might not have deserved them but he is an idiot. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:17
True but to get 31 (or 39!) would require a high level of irresponsibility. You presumably don't have that many because you are careful - he obviously isn't. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:20
Don't commit the crime of course. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:36
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If the government made it illegal to use websites like this that talked about speed cameras in a not too positive light, would we deserve punishment for doing so?
------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: Fushion Julz
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:58
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Crime?!? deary me...so now failing to present your documents makes you a criminal...Lock 'em up, sling 'em in the cells with the rapists, I say.
------------- 1987 E30 M3 1996 E36 328i SE 4dr (Manual) 1992 E34 525iX Touring...SOLD |
Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:13
I know Julz, even I think its getting a bit desperate now ! ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:14
Anything that you can be taken before a criminal court for is a crime, including failing to produce your documents. It's nothing new it's been around a long long time. It may not be the most serious offence, it may not be an imprisonable offence, but it is still a crime. If I may be so bold as to venture, your reaction is what is over the top (lock 'em up, sling 'rm in the cell with the rapists), not the fact that the offence is regarded as a minor crime. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:20
Peter I've said before that we voted the government in a we give them the power to introduce laws over us as part of their governance. Where they do that & it is totally at odds to the general publics view at large they can expect revolution.I don't see revolution coming over the current proposals with speed limits or ANPR cameras, but it could happen with your website suggestion, so as such I can't see that happening.  ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Fushion Julz
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:23
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And you wonder why people have a disregard for the "law"...Actually, it's worse, because laws like this devalue laws with genuine merit. People grow up despising the police (for enforcing the meaningless laws) and the government (for creating them). Then they become the lawless in society. Increasingly, though, those lawless folk are what, in a recent past time, would have been the law-abiding, honest majority. ------------- 1987 E30 M3 1996 E36 328i SE 4dr (Manual) 1992 E34 525iX Touring...SOLD |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:25
So you don't think that people should have to have a driving licence, insurance or MOT etc & have to produce it when required by a Police officer ? Is that what you are saying ? Because if we do have to do those things, there will be laws to enforce it & prosecutions where the law isn't complied with. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:25
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I heard today that first time burglars who are caught don't get custodial sentences, just a caution. So if you want to avoid jail, try a bit of thievery - but make sure the getaway car has all the documents with it. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk 
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 12:30
You won't of course go to jail for document offences either. I can't remember a time in my life time that first time burglars would ever get a custodial sentence. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: whitey
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 18:28
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Well they should do.... thieving scum. ------------- 2000 e39 523i with full factory sport kit. 1989 e30 325i Convertible 1999 Golf GTI 1.8T |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 09-February-2006 at 19:21
Agreed! If some hood broke into my house, I'd like to think he would be sent to the slammer for a couple of years, not allowed to come back the following night for another go. Now of course, I could avoid seeing him the next night by defending my property and rendering him unconscious - then I'd get to spend the next night in jail! Problem solved. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 05:55
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Oh so true Doive . you catch some scumbag "doing " your car & nicking stuff that you have WORKED hard to get , you knock him out & you are the "criminal " ????????? . Had this some years ago caught " ned " breaking my window to nick my C.D player ( he was in the car gouging it out with a screwdriver ) pulled him out by scruff of the neck & knocked the "Hell " out of him , one of my "Kindly " neighbors saw me do this to a " Young 17 yr old BOY " & called the police . P.C arrived " I've got him for you " i said but was me that got nicked for " common assault " ???????? Had to take day off work ( unpayed ) to go to court & fined £50 . He on the other hand ( who had done this & various other similar stuff )pleaded he was on " unemployment " & was down on his luck !!!!!!! what did he get ? ......... £30 with six months to pay !!!!!!! British justice eh !Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 05:57
Wish the insurance people had ignored mine Nigel , rise of £350 for my points !!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 07:32
I'm sorry shorty........ But it is not up to you to meet out a bit of summary justice. You can only use such force as is reasonable, necessary & within the law. You can't simply exact whatever revenge you see fit. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 07:48
Oh come on livvy, that's a load of horse wotsit and you know it. I'm entirely with shorty, if I caught some thieving little toerag putting in my car window, which I have worked very hard to afford, I would not hesitate in dragging him out of the car and rendering him unconscious. So what was shorty to do then? What does the law allow? Reasonable force?! The guy had a screwdriver - shorty says 'excuse me old chap, I wonder if you'd mind awfully getting out of my car?', so guy gets out and stabs him with screwdriver. Result - murder. Shorty was right. In my eyes, someone who breaks into your property has stepped outside the law, and so by doing that they lose any rights they had. I think the owners of such property should be allowed to take whatever steps are necessary to restrain the criminal with their own safety being the #1 priority. If someone broke into my house in the dead of night, my first though would be for my family not my possessions, and as such I would take suitable steps to keep such a person away from them. If that involved knocking them unconscious and tying them up, then that is what I would do. And I make no apologies for that. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 07:59
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It's not a load of horse wotsit at all. Shorty obviously went too far because he/she was convicted of assault. Your best defence is knowing exactly what the law says & acting within it. You can of course use reasonable & necessary force in both detaining offenders & in defending yourself or others. In certain circumstances that can mean even lethal force & a pre-emptive strike, the law is quite clear. Knowledge is the power that protects you where you use force, ignorance of the law is what leaves you wide open. Nobody is allowed to punish someone with a beating. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 08:26
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@ livvy :- but what is too far ? do i smack him once & send him on his way " you naughty scallywag be off with you " ? or do as i did & knock him out for destroying my ( hard earned ) property that he had no right to tamper with in the first place ? Anyway had my "kindly neabour " not called the police no one would have known what had gone on & he might think again about doing it to some other poor person ? Do you think he would have gone to the local police station to report me ? " and why did this gentleman assault you ? " " well you see man i was trying to nick his C.D. player from his car that i had just broken into & he comes out the house like a man demented & knocks me into next week " Rough justice me thinks after all if he hadn't done my car he would still have his " debonair " good looks & not needed 5 stitches to a cut above his eye & a burst nose !! ------------- |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 08:43
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How far you can go depends on the circumstances. You can only use the amount of force that is reasonable & necessary to detain someone, any excess is an abuse of force & is a criminal act. In defence of yourself/others you can use reasonable & necessary force to avert that threat. The level of force used has to be proportional to the actual/perceived threat level. As I say knowledge & accurate judgement of what is acceptable in each individual circumstances is what is necessary. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 09:09
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I'm glad I live in France with an English licence - the rules have been changed and you no longer have to change you licence within 12 months if you have a European licenece already. ------------- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. |
Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 09:23
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Ahh, the old "Knowledge is Power" chestnut... I like! So what we need to do is arm ourselves with the appropriate understanding of the law and use it to beat the theiving scumbags to within an inch of the law!! ------------- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 09:26
You never know who is watching, just ask some soldiers in Iraq  ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 10:27
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So long as it's kept within bounds as recommended by you it should be fine! Won't comment on the Iraq thing as I'm having a relatively good day and don't want to get worked up! ------------- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 10:37
The guidelines I recommend are the law, so yes.
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Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 08:32
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A police officer told me reasonable force was if someone comes towards you and you feel your life was in danger then you can hit them as many times as necessary to make your escape, aslong as you dont give them a good kicking if they go down (such spoilsports). If you catch someone on your property then you are supposed to withstrain them thats why anyone caught on my property came at me in a threatening manner (knuckle duster works well). Did anyone get Mr Englander's solicitors phone no by the way ? |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 08:42
Shorty, you're obviously with the wrong company. Told both my Insurers about my 3 speeding points - both said made no problem (in fact one commented that he'd very surprised if some-one Didn't have speeding points these days - ahem!) and that it made no difference to either of my policys. ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:06
Ah ! but maybe i wasn't too clear ...... i have 9 points !!!!!!!!! Been turned down for 3 jobs due to this !!!! Wish the camera partnerships would stop messing up folks lives . Its not like i am an armed robber ( Livvy :- i know what you will say mate that it is a CRIME all the same !!! ) All 9 were from the video vans on a clear motorway in dry conditions with no one else around ???? the only danger to anyone was to ME ????? ------------- |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:19
Shorty You didn't get the points because you were a danger to anyone. You got the points because you went past a line that has been drawn in the sand, a line that is there as a preventative measure (to prevent the possible danger being caused to anyone.) You know the law & you have control of your vehicles speed. There have been speed limits on our roads if not for most of the time you have been driving, then all the time you have. You can't balme others for your inability to keep to the limit. If you value your licence, your livelyhood, then why not take responsibility for it & protect it ? Nobody can "mess with your life" then. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:19
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If these punitive measures are enforced against foreign motorists with the same vigour as parking fines / congestion charge penalties, i.e. none at all, then I rather think foreign motorists will have little to worry about....
Wha'? Couldn't find this in the Oxford English Dictionary.......
It wasn't Nick Freeman. -------------   
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Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:30
You seem utterly incapable of taking into account the extreme ease with which most of us non-livvy like non-superhumans manage to stray those few little mph past the limit, and so pass the camera doing 68 in a 60 (easy to do in a nice smooth 323i, eh shorty?!). We become criminals, and because of this unintentional misdemeanour our licence and career are taken from us.
None of us choose to break the limit in this way - so do we all drive around wearing our speedometers like a pair of glasses, just in case we speed even a slight little bit? Must follow every law of the land to the lastest finest detail, eh livvy? No matter what the consequences to self. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:41
Doive 68 isn't a little past the limit in a 60. We either choose to, or we are not paying enough attention. We all know the consequences if we do that. It's no good bleating about it & trying to blame others when we are the ones who have all of the control over it. You don't need to constantly stare at the speedo to avoid getting prosecuted for speeding, it will be counter productive. But you do need to concentrate, show restraint & an awareness of your speed at all times. These are not super human skills, they are ones you were taught when you learned to drive & displayed for your driving test. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 19:12
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Fall some distance behind a line of cars on a busy A road, and observe as they approach a speed camera (I've done this). Watch how the first car insinctively brakes despite being under the limit, and then also watch how that braking manouvere transfers down the entire line, despite all being appropriately spaced and travelling at the correct speed. I have seen this time and time again, and I know you will say 'it's their choice....they choose to brake' etc etc - it has become instinctive! People see a speed camera and they brake - natural reaction my friend. Surely even you cannot say this is promoting safe driving? ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 19:36
Hide the cameras then.  Seriosuly though, that's why I favour SPECS cameras if we are going to have them. Because there is no point braking for them & they measure you speed over a greater distance (not punishing someone who is only slightly over for a short space of time). Because of that they will also be effective over a greater distance as well. People braking for a camera shouldn't be a problem for you though. If they are speeding & you are not, they will be going away from you before they brake giving you lots of time. If you both aren't speeding provided you've left adequate distance between you & them then their braking shouldn't be a concern. To be honest I look ahead of the car infront, spot the camera & expect them to brake, so it's no surprise or problem to me if they do. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 19:44
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No I agree entirely with what you say there, the actions of others shouldn't be a problem provided I keep both my own speed and distance in check, which i do. However, all too often people find themselves affected by other incompetent drivers. The SPECS cameras make me paranoid, even though I rarely drive even closeto the speed limit. I suppose the point I am making in all these posts (becuase you and I seem to go round in ever maddening circles!) is that the standards of driving in this country cannot be improved by a reduction in speed alone, but in fact that should be an achievable aim following some sort of driver training, which would bring about a greater awareness of the dangers of speeding and the risks of excessive vehicle speed. Hopefully. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 19:47
I have never said that speed is the sole issue that should be attacked. All I've said is that it shouldn't be ignored. Yes education & training have greater long term benefits, but in the meantime people should still be adhering to limits & there are positive benefits to making sure that people do. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 20:12
Shorty You didn't get the points because you were a danger to anyone. You got the points because you went past a line that has been drawn in the sand, a line that is there as a preventative measure (to prevent the possible danger being caused to anyone.) If you value your licence, your livelyhood, then why not take responsibility for it & protect it ? Nobody can "mess with your life" then. [/QUOTE] DANGER !!!! the only danger to anyone was to me as i said previously there was no one else there!!! I know what you will say that you have seen some horrors e.c.t & i can see that point of view also. But 78 mph on a motorway ???? please !!!!!!! Livvy try an experiment i have try ed on several occasions . Next time you are on the motorway drive at 70 mph . just see how many cars, vans , lorry's ( yes 16 wheeler lorry's !!! ) go whizzing past you . Where are the "enforcers" then ? As for taking responsibility for my livelihood i HAVE to drive every day for my job & if i loose my license that is me out of a job & i know that so do you think i or any other person go out intentionally to get points on there license ? I would be more of a danger if i didn't keep up with the flow of traffic would i not ? How many people do you know that drive at 30mph in a 30 mph zone unless as Doave has pointed out they either see a police man with a radar gun or know there is a fixed camera on that road ? ------------- |
Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 20:58
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Oh i see the spelling and grammer mare HORSETAN has been out for a trot, well pardon me for not eating the oxford b****** dictonary before i put a post on this forum now theres a word you will find in the oxford dictonary, i guess as you pull other people up about their spellings and grammer i take it you have never made a spelling mistake before and always got your grammer correct ? |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 01:04
I don't need to do an experiment because I do it all the time, I don't want to get points or lose my licence. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 03:58
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Horsetan wrote (wha? couldnt find that in the oxford dictonary) NEWSFLASH guess what i couldnt find WHA in the oxford dictonary either !!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 05:52
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I appreciate that it can easy, especially in a BMW to accidentally sray over the speed limit, but playing devils advocate for a second, are you really saying that you could be driving at 68mph in a 60 and not realise? Also if your doing 68 what do you think the speedo is reading? Well over 70 I would have thought. My problem with cameras isn't to do with not being able to keep my speed down without constantly staring a the speedo, I simply think the limits are set too low on certain roads. After all if you find it hard to keep your speed down to 70, you are going to have exactly the same problem at 80 or 90 etc ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 06:09
| I agree with you Peter but i dont understand if doive is doing 68 mph then why would his speedo reading be well over 70, ? |
Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 07:09
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Dirty - speedo generally reads 5-10% above your speed. ie - when my speedo tells me I'm doing 68mph and I hit cruise, I can reset my obc average speed to see what I'm doing, and it'll tell me around 62-63mph. At the same time, my satnav will give me a reading of 100kph (62.5mph). This may change if you change the rolling radius of your wheel/tyre combo, but not drasticly (sc). ------------- "http://www.tempoantiques.com""> 
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Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 07:18
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A speedometer will sometimes overread by as much as 10% according to the law. This is why in a 60mph limit a vehicle will be allowed to do 68mph before a speed trap is triggered - 60 + 10% + 2 = 68mph. The 10% allows for speedo inaccuracy. So what I was saying was that if I had somehow allowed my speed to creep up to 68, then I would get busted by a speed trap, and as such become a criminal in the eyes of the law. I don't like that.
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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:04
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True but you can actually get over 20% over beofre being flashed. If your speedo reads spot on then at an indicated 68mph you will get flashed. However if your speedo reads 10% positive you would have to be doing an indicated 75mph before being flashed i.e 68mph + 10%. Since you drive older cars Doive, I suspect your speedos are very likely to read over, I know the one in a Chevette is not the most accurate in the world. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:29
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Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 08:59
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Believe me Peter, when I'm doing 68 in the chevette, I KNOW I'm doing 68!!
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Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:03
Is that down hill with the wind behind you by any chance lol
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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:15
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.........steering wheel shaking and bits flying off! ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:52
And that the government is wonderful. And that all police measures are appropriate. And that nothing else will make the same improvements to road safety that a scamera will. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just look at what your tax money and scamera levies are http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=377622&in_page_id=1770 - going towards next, folks ...! ------------- Ciao, Spokey 
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Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 09:55
Yeah sounds about right not to mention the allowance to run them and a payrise etc etc i vote livvy for PM 
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:20
The trigger limit on the camera isn't set for that purpose. Your speedo can only legally over read your actual speed not under read it, so the setting of the camera has nothing to do with that (as your vehicle will be going no faster than, but maybe slower than what the speedo is reading.) The trigger limit can be set at 61mph if they so wish, it doesn't have to be 68mph, they only choose to do so in most cases.
I've definitely never said that. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:47
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Wasn't Spokey expressing his own opinion then?? I'm convinced Spokey is really David Cameron ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 10:56
Not really -- I'm too "off-message" to be a proper politician. 
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Posted By: shorty
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 14:22
Good on you ! But you still didn't answer my original question , how many people in cars , vans & lorry's WHIZZ past you as you do 70 mph ?
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 14:27
Oh quite a few do go past me & no doubt they'll all bitch if they get caught speeding as well  (because they don't know where the enforcers will be. If you value your licence just always believe they are there) ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Mike Fishwick
Date Posted: 21-February-2006 at 06:59
| Odd, isn't it - if you commit any crime, there will always be someone to produce extenuating circumstances 'proving' that committing the crime was not REALLY your fault, but was due to your upbringing etc etc .... unless your crime is associated with motoring, in which case you are autometically guilty, and not even provided with the evidence against you if it comes from a camera. Justice? Don't make me laugh. |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 21-February-2006 at 10:00
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Well, I have never seen a lorry whizz past me at 70mph. All the lorries i've seen in the last few years have been doing 60mph or less, without exception. Mike, they will only disclose the evidence if you contest the charge in court. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: Mike Fishwick
Date Posted: 21-February-2006 at 10:21
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Exactly Peter - even in the old days when one received a NIP it was accompanied by a statement of the offence, signed by the officer concerned. Now it's just a 'Pay up or else' type of thing. In most EU states, where the camera takes its pic from the front of the car, a piccy is sent, showing the driver's face and speed etc as evidence. Even in the Czech Republic of 1991 I was given a piccy as part of the on-the-spot fine for exceeding the motorcycle (and bus!) speed limit of 55 mph on a motorway.
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 21-February-2006 at 12:15
& some do here too, depends on the county. Some will send photos with the NIP, some not. There is of course no requirement to because at that time it is just a conditional offer. Wiltshire load the photos onto a website & then when the NIP is sent out a unique PIN number is sent with it so that you can view your personal web page with the photos relating to your case. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: dirtybeemer
Date Posted: 21-February-2006 at 12:57
| Plead not guilty and ask for the calibration test on that camera on that day, got a few people that i know off |