Correspondance 1
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Topic: Correspondance 1
Posted By: thepits
Subject: Correspondance 1
Date Posted: 27-July-2006 at 23:36
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an extract from............. BMW CAR CLUB
CENTREPOINT
A REPORT FROM PRE-AGM NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEETING No 155, HELD AT BROMSGROVE GOLF CLUB, BROMSGROVE, 23/07/06. Issue 33 Intro.
“Welcome to issue 33 of ‘Centrepoint’, a newsletter designed to keep the Regional and Register Committee members informed of what is being discussed and decided at National Committee level. As this meeting preceded the AGM, agenda items were kept to a minimum” Feedback is important, so please read the items discussed below and let me know your feelings, so give me a call on 0161 Cascade of Info to club members – please read The Centrepoint newsletter is obviously not written as a gimmick – it was put together after certain people asked for some sort of communication ‘pathway’ between the National Committee and club officials in the Regions & Registers. In this newsletter you receive all the latest news and items discussed at the latest national meetings, including full details of ongoing discussions like those regarding our breakaway from BMW Club Europa (BCE). Any information fed back via this newsletter that you feel effects our members should be cascaded down via your regional/register pages in the club magazine and on your websites. BMW Car Club Forum Senior forum moderator Killian Bannon was asked to attend the meeting so that we could discuss a way forward that would suit both the club and the forum users. As most of you are probably now aware, the meeting ended in acrimoniously as Killian wasn’t willing to discuss any changes to the forum that the directors were asking for. We told him if that was the case the club would have to start up a new forum for club members only (see below for main reason why). He left the meeting saying that he was fine with that decision, and if we needed any help with the new forum he would be happy to offer advice. He asked for a couple of weeks grace to move the old forum onto a new domain name and remove any car club references/logos and BMW trademarks, as he didn’t want it to die. Imagine our surprise then when we got back home from the meeting to find all the postings on the forum saying we were shutting it down (untrue, we only asked for him to remove any reference to the car club) and basically what a lot of b****rds we were (please excuse the French). There are many reasons why the board felt that posting on the club forum should be a privilege for members only, but the main one was a legal grey area that has arisen after taking legal advice. There are many un-official meetings/cruises/runs organised on the current forum by non-members, but because they are advertised on the club’s forum we would have a hard time explaining in court if, say, an innocent bystander was seriously injured or killed at one of these events. Our insurers would refuse to cover the club because it was an event organised by non-members, but can you imagine the lawyers on the other side blaming the club because the event was organised on the ‘Official BMW Car Club Forum’ – if we had no insurance cover the club and its directors could be chased for ££££££££!!! Yes it’s a grey area, but it is a risk the board wasn’t willing to take, therefore we asked Killian to change the current forum to a forum that can be accessed by all, with postings only by club members – this he refused point blank and wouldn’t budge an inch. Therefore, the board has instructed RM Software to install a new BMW Car Club forum that will be accessed for posting by members only, who will have to insert their name, membership number and give a unique password to be able to post on the site. The new forum should be up and running in the next few days. Anyone will still be able to view postings. The board would be very grateful if you would all care to keep an eye on initial postings just to make sure everything is above board when it is launched. Finally, a letter is to be sent this week to all members explaining the full reasons behind the board’s decision. The letter will also be posted on the club website and in the August magazine. Thanks for your co-operation and words of support I have received.
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Regards, Jeff Heywood.
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or email jeffheywood@bmwcarclubnw.freeserve.co.ukReplies:
Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 27-July-2006 at 23:39
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Who's going to e-mail him and ask him to tell the truth ? He's going to love you for putting his home number on here ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 27-July-2006 at 23:43
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oops! did I?
(edit) I'd better edit it out then............
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Nigel wrote:
silly old me.Posted By: nero
Date Posted: 27-July-2006 at 23:55
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][Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 00:02
Its good to see that his wife and Dr. Dale are standing by him! Im happy for him! ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 09:09
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Unbelievably, the letter actually contradicts itself!
And the the very next sentence:
Bimmon's sig was right... "Not too bright, are we?" ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: swordfish_bite
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 09:43
is it just me or is the mins of the meeting got really nothing to do with the meeting at all ,hes still tryin to push the 'grey area' and daft examples he's trying to tell everyone killian was at fault and not me before they find out the truth ... no mention of the nasty comments on his behalf since he was sooooo suprised to see the topic on the fourm no mention of them trying to steel the account info of kiilans no mention of them steeling the domain name , no mention of lack of communication in the first place nomention of his own personal goal ( ie to control the popular site ) and NO mention of their lack( mr dale and jeff) of managerial /communication skills i bet killian would have better off at home that weekend cos it was pointless anyone else being at the meeting ... anyway enough deweling on the past look to the future now ... future correspondance should be fun to read if he's going to contradict himself in the same letter imagine what he could say different in the next news letter .. guy's that are going to gaydon please have your camera ready cos you never know whats going to happen ...
p.s christ just relised yet angain am writing a story as a reply , i can t do one liners .. so you'll just need to put up with it .. ------------- 
www.westcoastcrew.co.uk - www.westcoastcrew.co.uk Bmw 525i Sport - 24v m50 192bhp(so far) |
Posted By: Pete330
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 10:57
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I really can`t believe that you post this up here
Move on for FFS ------------- Previous: E36 318is coupe, E36 323i coupe, E30 316 saloon, E30 318 saloon, E46 330ci Sport Conv E92 325d M Sport(3.0),With Loads of gadgets Current: 116i Sport F20 |
Posted By: Iain H
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 10:59
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Pete - things have moved on !!!! This is the new site and its nice to see you supporting it in your normal charismatic way.  ------------- Hartge H27 Convertible http://community.webshots.com/photo/91116965/99362743lbLlEb - My Link |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 11:40
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Actually, reading this again, it's not even in particularly good English. "EFFECTS our members"? "Ended in acrimoniously"? Good grief. I can't wait for the member's letters to be sent out, I might need a translator. I wonder if it'll be the same BS, too... ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 11:46
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I saw it - it too is funny!
------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 11:58
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Pete, the only reason the letter from the office isn't also posted is because the &&& PDF file won't convert!
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Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 13:32
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Just got home to find my letter - and I quote:
"It was therefore with some considerable surprise that the Directors found postings on the forum by those who attended the meeting stating, incorrectly, that the forum was being closed down." That's b******s, for a start. Pardon my French, but I'm really warming to this subject... "Directors of the Club (oh they are enjoying themselves, aren't they?) were also concerned that those making comments on the forum could do so with anonimity... forum members could hide behind pseudonyms." Pots & kettles, anyone!!!! Mr. "BIMMON", for example?! I'm seriously considering a warm response to this letter. Even reading between the lines you can see where they've altered the facts just to get a dig in. It's just unfortunate that so many members who did not have access to the old forum are going to get a false picture from this. I, and no doubt many others, will be posting a response on this new club forum when it materialises. I wonder how long such posts will last on there before they are, ahem, "moderated"? Yours, Incensed of Oldham. ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: nero
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:10
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I haven't received my letter yet, but have seen the soft copy version. Does it still say
If so, why does the Club Office need to be told/sent your password? Passwords are personal and should only be known by the person owning the account - you wouldn't give someone the PIN number to your credit card? If you are going to sign up to the Club Forum, please make sure you use a different password to what you use on here. ------------- |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:12
Yeah, that one confused me as well. Control freaks.  ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:17
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The letter that was sent out does in fact contain that line. Would any club member care to contact the office and ask them about this referring to both the legal and security implications of this? ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Jeff Spangle
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:20
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It's perfectly normal to issue a "standard" password, be it ramdomly generated or not to a new user.
It's then up to the user to change it, standard network user policy in most organisations. If they are forcing you to use their password, then that is different. P.S. I've been to an AGM and have seen the power rangers in full flight. Oh, so magnificent. Killian et al, good for you! |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:21
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My interpretation of it is that they are forcing you to give them your password before you can join their forum.
------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:34
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That would be my interpretation also. Anyway, polite email sent... buggered if I'm ringing them. ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: Jeff Spangle
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 14:55
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Yes, just re-read it.
"Oh yes, here's my wallet for safe keeping too" |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 28-July-2006 at 16:09
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That was odd. I've been rung by the club office, but they left no message.
Why not just answer the email? ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 12:52
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I now have a response: "We are setting up a new Forum based on surname and membership number and an added security of a password. We keep these securely at the Club Office. We update these details daily for new members to gain access to the new Forum. Without this no-one will be able to use the Forum." I've got news. With this no-one will want to use the Forum. In what way is a password secure if you give it to someone else? ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 13:36
ha ha ha - it really is funny! Now what password shall I use? So many spring to mind! ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 14:25
Hopefully that's just an imprecise response and it means that member name / member number are kept securely at the club office and password becomes a matter for the user alone...  ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeff Spangle
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 14:26
| Oo, oo, I have one! |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 14:28
The letter did state that the users have to phone/email their password to the office for account activation. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 14:58
Aye. I was just hoping that it was then a user configurable option...  -------------
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Posted By: kidsinister
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 14:59
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The rest of the email confirmed this, asking me to ring the office to discuss it or to give them my password. I've actually got to ring them about a pass for Gaydon, for the Alpina Register display... hmmm, tricky... ------------- Alec J. Wood Tuppence 1985 Alpina C2 2.5 |
Posted By: swordfish_bite
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 15:18
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give it to them in wep ...
ie hex - jeffanddale wep -
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www.westcoastcrew.co.uk - www.westcoastcrew.co.uk Bmw 525i Sport - 24v m50 192bhp(so far) |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 15:54
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I posted this in response to a topic in teh Irish forum but I guess it could do with being posted here... __________________ Incidentally, as I was not told to keep it confidential here is the full written discussion regarding the internet protocols. These are why i went to the UK in may and also last week.
Now re-read the letter to see what it says about why I went over to the UK! ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 16:04
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and like a lamb to the slaughter....onto a brum bound flight he got.......
------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: robmw750
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 21:09
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I have just asked him to resign, he has wasted Club funds setting up an unnecessary website.
Regards Rob ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 21:17
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We'll await his reply to you, if its like others we have seen....it may be a tad offensive. ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 21:23
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Is the new site ready yet - what's it being called? Not heard a thing anymore, I'm wondering whether they'll try to completely steal K's hard work and just change the logging in and restricting it to members only... Paul -------------  95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: Pete330
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:05
bmwcarclubforum.co.uk what else would it be called? ------------- Previous: E36 318is coupe, E36 323i coupe, E30 316 saloon, E30 318 saloon, E46 330ci Sport Conv E92 325d M Sport(3.0),With Loads of gadgets Current: 116i Sport F20 |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:13
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Seems not - http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/ - http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/ "will be available soon" reminds me of being on hold with ** or *** "your call is important to us, and will be answered shortly" Define ****ing 'shortly" ! ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:22
Thank you Pete!! Cheeky beggar!!! Obviously taking them a bit longer than they thought to get going (or trying to decypher how you programmed it K) Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:27
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:33
Aah, bmwcarclubforum.co.uk I wonder if I will ever get paid for registering that a few weeks ago before I was aware of any of this?
They don't have any of my code. Andrew's agressive and rude demands towards the web host were not fruitful ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:37
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We may get a year down the line and they're still scratching their heads!! Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 22:39
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Oh dear, what a shame, never mind (said in a Welsh accent)
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 31-July-2006 at 23:28
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Funny realy, aggressive stance against web host to aquire the forum, bullish tactics to try and force a decison to turn it into a private forum then open arms to say please help us - we'd like you to carry on. Oh, then threats of legal action when they can't get their own way (dummy spat out, teddy well and truly sodden in a large puddle) Bit like booting you up the backside with slippers on, so it doesn't hurt as much.. ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Peter H
Date Posted: 01-August-2006 at 11:35
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A REPORT FROM PRE-AGM NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEETING No 155, HELD AT BROMSGROVE GOLF CLUB, BROMSGROVE, 23/07/06.
Well this is incorrect as Bromsgrove is in Worcestershire not West Midlands, They dont even know where they were ! ------------- Das Wolperdinger AHN-NYUNG-HEE GA-SEH-YO |
Posted By: swordfish_bite
Date Posted: 01-August-2006 at 16:42
ha hahahahahah it gets better and better ... wonder if their mummies leaves their clothes and packed lunch out for them in the morning .. -------------
www.westcoastcrew.co.uk - www.westcoastcrew.co.uk Bmw 525i Sport - 24v m50 192bhp(so far) |