New logo in progress..lol K.

Oh and i have just put my sticker in the back window

jamie (e39)528i wrote: Oh and i have just put my sticker in the back window

And Me! - (And it's bl00dy well staying there)

What about ourbmforum.co.uk? How can they have BM as a trade mark? They could be initials to anything/anyone.

Have you been in contact with someone from the actual BMW management in Germany? Surely they should be able to see that this site only helps to promote their products at the end of the day. (I know and they know that relatively few of us buy new cars from them but we do help to keep the resale value high, which is one of the main reasons people have for buying a new BMW in the first place).

kbannon wrote: ....We were offered one option by BMW legal eagles ....

That's usually one more than most people get!

....I know that a certain Mr. H. told me that he was planning on reporting the site to BMW AG so at least he can sometimes keep his word.

Who's brown-nosing?

.....Plans are underway to develop yet another logo. However, if you think that you can do something special then let us know....

Something involving a brown nose, perhaps?

Or "Mr. H's head in the centre of a dartboard" motif?

kbannon wrote: I went and registered bm-board.co.uk (& .com) only to be told that 'BM' is a trademark of BMW AG! I also registered board-bmw.co.uk just in case it was needed.

Roffle!

When potty training our little lad I was reading through one of the instruction manuals we bought and poo-poos were constantly referred to as BMs, bowel movements!

Jeff Spangle wrote: How utterly ridiculous, childish, pathetic etc... Is someone out to destroy this forum?

Certainly to make life difficult.....

OK so, I've found a dartboard:

Has anyone got a nice clear pic of Mr. H's face?

I feel an idea for a new logo coming on......

works for me spokey lol (although should possibly say "is run by") as I thought you were a member

If BMW are so proud of their "badge", we could always use our badge that dealt with their badge.........

flyingalexf68 wrote: Thats right Nigel, the glorious American P-51d Mustang. What a great plane. Really showed those nazi's.

Hmmmm aircraft recognition course needed for Alex lol

P-51d......

I think the car club has under estimated the value of the forum.

I remember reading an article in the club mag which said something like we know the majority of club memebers don't use the forum that much (paraphrasing). That maybe so but I'd like to hazard a guess that the active members, the life and sole of the club use the forum (this one) to arrange meetings in their local areas.

I don't use the offical forum anymore purley and simply because the people I know largley hang out here. Saying that I am a paid up member of the club because I do believe in paying (even though I know the money doesn't go to the running of the forum). Which is another argument i.e are funds raised in the regions spent in the regions?   

However with the continuing arguments coming out I have to say that my presonal feeling is that its the offical club that keeps dragging the issue up again and again. Because they realise they are in the poo in the long term and have to destroy this forum to bring members back into the fold and make them pay. If other members are anything like me they will be seriously considering whether or not to pay the renewal fee?

Just on another note (apologies if this has been discussed to death already) what is the full history behind the split?

Anyway keep up the good work chaps I know that my experience of owning a BMW has been made much better because of THIS FORUM rather than the club magazine or the car club board or the events directly organised by them.

Webdunk wrote: Collar me next time we're at a meet and I'll give you the lowdown...

.... and I'll bring some cowboy music and we can have a hoedown

spokey wrote: Are you providing the hoes?

Well if I left it up to you we'd end up with

grahame34m5 wrote: If other members are anything like me they will be seriously considering whether or not to pay the renewal fee?

I know I am as I think it's really silly now, but we'll see how things pan out over the next few months

Paul

I let my club membership lapse about 3 months ago for various reasons. I had a couple of reminder letters, but actually had a phone call yesterday to 'remind me' to renew. Sorry, not going to do that.

Could it be that membership ha dwindled since the break with this board ? When will they realize the true extent of the damage they have done.

Power to the people that keep the lights on over here!

siwilson wrote: I let my club membership lapse about 3 months ago for various reasons. I had a couple of reminder letters, but actually had a phone call yesterday to 'remind me' to renew. Sorry, not going to do that.

I was supposed to renew about 3 months ago, never did, and the magazines are still coming through?! I might renew if there's another offer for free tickets to something motorsporty (where it will be raining.....)

My membrship isn't due for renewal yet, but I will probably keep it. I think the mag is getting much better.

But this whole forum thing is rediculous. Thanks to everyone involved in keeping it running. I haven't registered with the "official" forum as it appears there are only about 4 people who talk to eachother there. Also, why should I move to another forum when I am totally happy with this one?

This is an awesome forum. Its not full of people who state they can do this, do that, get 400BHP out of thier S14 without turbocharging and then not saying how they did it. Its a VERY friendly, amusing, VERY informative and usefull forum. I have also found it to be a great tool for diagnosing problems. If one memeber can't help, then there is sure to be another that can and will.

The worrying thing is what next are these guys going to throw at us next? BMW Roundels being photoshop removed from our pictures? BMW being banned from use as a word?  

SHEPSM3 wrote: The worrying thing is what next are these guys going to throw at us next? ### Roundels being photoshop removed from our pictures? ### being banned from use as a word?

The very idea!

Jeff Spangle wrote: How utterly ridiculous, childish, pathetic etc... Is someone out to destroy this forum?

They'll never take us alive! We'll fight them on the beaches.........

I knew there was a reason I didn't buy that sticker!

Oh well, we're all still here and that's all that matters.

Here's to us (the passionate members who will support the forum all the way)

And here's to killian and his band of merry men (moderators, and people that make it happen)

Cheers!

Mike

Apparently it's not just bmw that are getting upset about forums. Many major firms are cracking down on this thing.

On the Renault Trophy forum a guy posted a problem about a sticking throttle and he was asking if it was worth a recall, it got swiftly removed as the mods said forums are ok to exsist as long as the boat was not rocked.  Any idea of forum slating a car manufacturer then it looks like it could be closed down.

Pretty crap if you ask me as our forum has always been pretty good and informative etc.

Alan.

Has anyone been in touch with BMW about the actions of some individuals in the BMW Car Club causing a lot of animosity amongst BMW owners, a lot of whom are extremely loyal to the brand and do a lot to promote it (ie - KB with the forums)?  We may not buy brand new BMWs, but we do keep their parts departments busy, as well as a lot of us using them for servicing.  If we didn't get parts and servicing, they'd lose a very large portion of their income.

Anyone have the name and address of the head of BMW for Ireland/UK?  A few pointed letters in his mailbox may help rid ourselves of certain troublemakers/snobs.

Its just great really!!! Their whole plan just keeps back firing!! Remove non members from being able to post in a BMW forum and there has been about 4 posts in the last week!!! I certainly wont be renewing my membership and didnt think the mag was that good.....rather get PBMW subscription for the year and still have enough left for a fish supper.

If they keep making issues for Killian then all it will do is discourage more people from joining/renewing their membership.....I and atleast 4 people I know have left/not joined because of the grief they have caused.

Pathetic

Some of you, not all, may remember years back as a member of the cc i started the original m3 register, the m power part of the club started doing big things, and some (not all) of the decision makers in the bmwcc, didnt like it, they tried to take control then.

The M power club grew from this, away from the cc and with support of Bmw and club europa, much to the clubs disgust, and all along the way, the few tried to make life very difficult because things were not being done there way

Ive seen this all before, its there way, or damn you all for not toeing the line and your only allowed to enjoy yourselves if its ok with them

This is the one reason why i havnt been a member for about the last 12 years

Goldryder wrote: One thing I wish could be done....but it could mean a few problems with data transfer, I don't know...I would really like this site to have a completely different identity to the crap one. The layout, colours etc are virtually identical...and anyone not knowing about what has happened and not knowing that this board is completely unaffiliated with that crap may get confused tween the two. By changing the software formatting or just the colours would give this site the individuality it deserves and have absolutely no connection/confusion whatsoever with the idiots running the other site. Apparently the data from this style can be transferred to vB 3.0.6...not sure how, but from what I have read, it can be done. Just a thought...before they say you are nicking their layout and colours, Killian...

Nooooo. This forum looks just fine. They copied Killian (and the gangs) forum, not the other way round. I say leave it as it is. Let them change theirs. It's clear to see which one is more popular, and older.

I tried to find the Ferrari forum, found a few but not sure I found the official one. Anyway they didn't copy the Ferrari one, they copied THIS one.

I just went for a look on the "official BMWCC forum". How sad. Go and have a look at the Irish section if you fancy a laugh.  

My I didn’t think the Car club would bite its nose of to spite its face. How unfortunate for all of us including the Car club, don’t they realize that their forum is about to Disappear?

I have seen site owners spit out there Dummies a few times over the years, it has always led to internet demise.

Long Live the Bavarian Board. & all that sail in her

Just had a gander at the "official" site, it's pretty painful reading. There's a complete reluctance/fear of posting anything inflammatory or critical of the club and BMW in general - everybody tags a line onto any post mildly questioning of the powers that be, stating that it might get moderated or deleted.

I guess they have extended their own little empire, just like when you overload a boat - when the water gets choppy, you'll sink............

Chin up Killian, everybody can see the wood for the trees.

Andyboy wrote: SHEPSM3 wrote: My membrship isn't due for renewal yet, but I will probably keep it. I think the mag is getting much better. Really? Do you think it's worth 35 quid a year to read about how some codgers had a skittles evening in Donacaster? It's very glossy but there's not a lot in there that a) you don't already know and b) you can't read in more detail in a proper BMW mag.

I myself preferred the drivers club mag as it was informative and witty without needing to be too glossy.

nn_dd wrote: Just had a gander at the "official" site, it's pretty painful reading. There's a complete reluctance/fear of posting anything inflammatory or critical of the club and BMW in general - everybody tags a line onto any post mildly questioning of the powers that be, stating that it might get moderated or deleted.

Not true, I for one have never and will never be afraid to speak my mind about anything, one of the reasons why I have never seen the need to hide behind a pseudonym and withold my real name. The only tag or mention anyone posting has made to a post being deleted or moderated has been Jeff Spangle who by his own admission was stirring up mischief

(quote: For those that maybe interested, I'm teasing things here )    

  http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=33555&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=33555&am p;PN=1&TPN=2 .

If I see the need to criticise anyone or anything I will but it will be done in a constructive manner and directed where it should be and not at all in general.

nn_dd wrote: Just had a gander at the "official" site, it's pretty painful reading. There's a complete reluctance/fear of posting anything inflammatory or critical of the club and BMW in general - everybody tags a line onto any post mildly questioning of the powers that be, stating that it might get moderated or deleted. I guess they have extended their own little empire, just like when you overload a boat - when the water gets choppy, you'll sink............ Chin up Killian, everybody can see the wood for the trees.

I am on both sites, as is one or two others that come to our meets, we just want to keep out of it now, and try to re-awaken our region that has been very quiet since 2002. I can't quite work out how a region could go from the most active to the least active and it feels like I'm going to struggle to get anything to get our region back into life, that is why I'm registered on both forums, even though I'm loyal to this one. I'm just hoping maybe some more people in our region do register with either forum (I do promote both) and help us to get a bunch of petrolheads at race meetings and have some fun, with like minded people and get others into it as well

Paul

Goldryder wrote: ....That shower of faeces....

There's a whole lot of it about!

Horsetan wrote: Goldryder wrote: ....That shower of faeces.... There's a whole lot of it about!

Mostly from your avatar   

steven.seed wrote: nn_dd wrote: Just had a gander at the "official" site, it's pretty painful reading. There's a complete reluctance/fear of posting anything inflammatory or critical of the club and BMW in general - everybody tags a line onto any post mildly questioning of the powers that be, stating that it might get moderated or deleted. Not true, I for one have never and will never be afraid to speak my mind about anything, one of the reasons why I have never seen the need to hide behind a pseudonym and withold my real name. The only tag or mention anyone posting has made to a post being deleted or moderated has been Jeff Spangle who by his own admission was stirring up mischief (quote: For those that maybe interested, I'm teasing things here )       http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=33555&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=33555&am p;am p;PN=1&TPN=2 . If I see the need to criticise anyone or anything I will but it will be done in a constructive manner and directed where it should be and not at all in general.

Good for you !  Still doesn't detract from the p$ss poor forum ! - Sorry - flourishing forum (if I remember from the last magazine update)

As for pseudonyms, what difference does that make - seems to have been a big issue with another bloke a while back.... not seen him since. Anyway, not very many people like their "real" names plastered all over a public access forum - so don't go barking up that tree. I'd say, of all the forum users on all the web, maybe only 1% of them use their own names when posting.

That locked thread was interesting reading - no more comments needed there then, don't want to fan those flames again.

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Good for you !  Still doesn't detract from the p$ss poor forum ! - Sorry - flourishing forum (if I remember from the last magazine update)

As for pseudonyms, what difference does that make - seems to have been a big issue with another bloke a while back.... not seen him since. Anyway, not very many people like their "real" names plastered all over a public access forum - so don't go barking up that tree. I'd say, of all the forum users on all the web, maybe only 1% of them use their own names when posting.

That locked thread was interesting reading - no more comments needed there then, don't want to fan those flames again.[/QUOTE]

Why good for me? My point was you made a sweeping statement that everybody was afraid to criticise. I am not part of that everybody.

As for the poor forum I think you'd find if you looked back this and any other forum would have started in a similar way.

My point about the pseudonym is that I am open and honest and have nothing to fear by speaking my mind. I have always been so on this or any other forum I have used. I use both the forums for what I believe they are supposed to be for, a medium to exchange idea's, thoughts and information concerning BMW's with other BMW owners.

I do not however insult people or make generalisations about the character of other people on a forum. If because of the situation you have a problem with chairman or the committee have your problem with them and not the rest of us who are just going about our business being members of a car club.

Steven

My day job is in IT and security is a major issue.  Protecting identity and property from abuse and theft is a major issue in our technical age.  The reason that many of use don't use our names as identifiers is to reduce the risks to our identities being highjacked, being flooded with spam, phishing, etc.  As it is, any determined amateur can find out loads about a person simply by googling their name, e-mail address or telephone number and following the leads.  If an amateur can find out for example that someone gave a glowing reference to Powerbulbs then someone with a malicious intention could piece together other information to find out perhaps where you live, what kind of car you have that might be worth nicking, who you bank with, etc.

I have no problem is being accountable for the things I say in a forum but I have no intention of giving more information about myself than necessary to people I don't know and who may just have an unhealthy interest in me, my family or my belongings.

Dergside,Jeff,

                 Your points are well taken and I was in no way implying that everyone should use their own name on the forum, I was as I said trying to make a point about my own character which had been brought into question earlier in the thread as to being afraid to speak my mind. I’m actually a bit of a hard nosed Mancunian so nothing is further from the truth, but the recent situation has created a lot of ill feeling which in many cases has been directed at totally the wrong people. There have been a lot of very insulting remarks made towards people who are members of the car club and are using the other forum and yes people will say there have been insults made in the opposite direction but most of these people have no involvement in what has transpired and like myself just want to get on with the things that are good about the club. To go to a meet, a car show or like this weekend a race meeting are what I enjoy, and to be honest I don’t need a forum to do that but I come on the forum to exchange information and discuss things to do with BMW’s and motoring in general not for people to try and make me feel guilty for using the other forum or continuing to be a member of the club. I have been and would like to continue to be a regular contributor to this forum but if it is decided that I am not welcome then fair enough I will go away and stop using it. Many have already done that which is not doing the forum any favours and the more that get driven away the more difficult it will be for this forum to survive. That is something I personally do not want as this forum has always been a superb information resource as well as a constant source of amusement.

I understand that many of the comments made are because of  peoples allegiance to Killian and his team but surely driving forum users away will not help them. The forum needs as many contributors as possible to remain successful. Like myself the first time people use this forum is because they are seeking help or information regarding their BMW. The more of that there is the more likely they will return and continue to keep the forum so successful.

Steve.

Steve

Good points and well made!

You are right about the ill feeling that there is among many toward the new club forum (but more particularly towards the circumstances of its establishment) and there is no need to regurgitate that discussion again.  I am a club member and will continue to be.  I have personally chosen not to join the new club forum because I dislike what it represents, but again, its best not to regurgitate that one either.

Having said that, I, and hopefully the majority here, have no gripe with anyone that chooses to join it and anyone that participates in this forum should continue to enjoy the sharing of information and knowledge as always (one of my main reasons for joining the club originally) and be respected for their views and input.  Indeed, we have done that personally with each other over time.  It shouldn't be a knocking shop or one where people can't express themselves reasonably.

Having said all that, nerves are a little frayed and often in those circumstances people shoot from the lip and it can be difficult to diffuse things.  It can be easy to inadvertantly flame or antagonize but I genuinely believe that most people are here for the same reasons we are, to share a common interest.  If people are deliberately causing or feigning offence then I'm fairly certain that that will be dealt with by the moderators.  Effective moderation is one of the reasons for the success of this forum over time.