Torrential Rain & BMW’s
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Topic: Torrential Rain & BMW’s
Posted By: m3tiko
Subject: Torrential Rain & BMW’s
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 16:32
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It's hard enough driving (straight line) in the dry but the downpours of yesterday and today have made my life a living hell.
Returning from picking my little man from my parents late last night almost proved near disaster. The car aquaplaned after hitting excess water on the motorway(M8 Barlinnie exit westbound). I knew to be more careful as I experienced a few misses on the M77 but yesterday was out of my hands. At first and so quickly back end just swung out,corrective movement of the steering brought the car back in line but at that speed it was almost like impossible...Lucky enough the car sensed and gripped like never before. Have anyone experienced driving difficulties? Also why haven't transportation made allowances for surface water? P.S The wee man slept throughout the journey hugging his bear. -------------  |
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 16:34
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Thank God for DSC mate. ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 16:37
DSC mate is a godsend,long live DSC  ------------- |
Posted By: grahame34m5
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 18:04
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CHANGE THE F'IN TIRES even race car drivers don't do slicks in the rain. ------------- 
08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
Posted By: ewan.c
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 19:34
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At least you lot have a car that run's! Think i'll be off to Audi as soon as its running again....had enough of the Bavarians for a while! ------------- 
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Posted By: John F
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 20:10
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An Audi......look at the What Car annual reliability survey on http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/2855113351.jpg - http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/2855113351.jpg BMW are dissapointingly in 17th place (with 3 stars) but Audi are 3rd from bottom in 28th and get only 1 star.... |
Posted By: grahame34m5
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:11
Wash your mouth out with soap and water! Whats wronge surely it can't be that bad? -------------
08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
ewan.c wrote:Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:11
Mon ami the tyres are still within government guidelines...whatever that may be? But you're not entirely wrong as the thread line is only about 2mm's i'd say from the indicator.Tyre change is imminent as when the new wheels come on. This however does not change the fact the roads need to be more driver adaptable in events such as heavy rainfall...which our beloved country tends to see  ------------- |
Posted By: grahame34m5
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:38
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Yes but is your right foot within government guidelines This however does not change the fact the roads need to be more driver adaptable in events such as heavy rainfall...which our beloved country tends to see
Sadly road tax, fuel duty and all other forms of revenue raised from the motorist is spent on anything but the roads. It goes staight to the tree huggers to spend on what ever method of making the motorists life a greater pain in the ass. -------------
08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
Wide tyres and lowish tread is always gonna have trouble with aquaplaining. Saying that my rears are about the same at the moment but I don't seem to get as much jip,weird.Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 21:44
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Oh yes in this weather my right foot isn't anywhere to be seen near the pedal...I merely let the car roll in gear.
I recall talking to a civil lad who insisted on todays highways using a porous type of sediment to totally eliminate any surface water...I think he was on crack when he said that  cos from what I've experienced it seems....not!!------------- |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 11-December-2006 at 23:17
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tip 1. when it rains drive slower.. 2. 2mm of tread if you want to avoid aquaplaning try changing at 4mm.....if you do not want to do that see point no.1 ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney 
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Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 00:32
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Thanks for the tip Muppet
I will endeavour to change my tyres when the tread hits 4mm mark... On the first point I think I was driving slower...40/50mph in these conditions is being precautious. ------------- |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:39
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Yeah but what gear were you in? ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:41
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just about to head to Aberdeen in this weather , new tryes at the back and 4/5 mm at the front . will update if anythiong exciting happens ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 09:59
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Gary I was in the 6th as I know a lower gear would most def lead to the tyres spinning. ------------- |
Posted By: M3CSL
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:09
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Tiko There must be something wrong with the car if it's that bad? ------------- |
Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:13
Modified motorway speed. All December's rain in 2 days. Some of it lying heavily. Low temperatures. Less than optimally maintained roads. Guesstimated 2mm tread on large, wide, summer sports tyres. IMHO just a nasty combination of factors. ------------- 
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Posted By: M3CSL
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:22
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Rear trailing arm bushes go on the CSL, dunno if it's the same for M3? ------------- |
Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:28
Bound to be... but would that not show up in other driving conditions? -------------
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Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 10:48
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Yup the roads are terrible...the weather is rubbish Dunc
Paul I'll need to check this out, however only happened in the wet. ------------- |
Posted By: Allan320
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 13:03
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I heard it was to do with the new gritting techniques on the roads. The council are "spraying" the roads with something rather than firing grit at your car at ver 60mph. "There is now Brine added to the grit as it spread. It's still the same grit thats always been used just brine comes out aswell. The brine is supposed to stop the grit "spraying" all over the road. It seemingly makes the grit stick to the road. And it isnt cheaper than whats been used in previous years"
Basically the brine turns to slippy s**t (keeping the Dunkmeister happy :D)
Aqua-planing thread http://www.strathycruise.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=72961 - http://www.strathycruise.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=72961 ------------- |
Posted By: finnie
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 21:30
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Yup nightmare at the moment. Any road rutted road is just a nightmare right now. Terrified of puddles now car just seems to levitate off the road. Also nearly wiped the car last wednesday. Picture the scene - heading up to aberdeen at about 7pm from Glasgow, late enough to avoid most of the traffic. Start car and after U turn DSC light comes on. Dman not again. never mind - turn car off at next set of lights and then restart to reset system. Ah well no joy, I'll just take it easy. Leaving Dundee i am at the last roundabout and manage to arrive at it with a lorry to my left on the inside lane. It looked like it was going to take it nice and wide so I carried on hoping to squeeze through. got halfway round and noticed he wasn't taking it wide anymore. OH OH, better get through sharpish. You can see whats coming. One wee twitch of the right foot and I'm ahead. Was just turning to the left to carry on straight through the roundabout and the next thing I'm staring at the left hand verge, then the centre verge and barrier then the left verge again AAAHHHHH Slide caught and everything apart from my heart is fine. My mistake i know but scared the living daylights out of me. DSC sure is a godsend, shame it wasn't on then! Funny thing was truck was loaded with Audi Q8s I bet the driving was just saying to himself thats why you should have a quattro audi instead of rear wheel drive. ------------- Silverstone Blue 2006 E60 M5, 1999 Caterham Superlight R, 204bhp! |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 12-December-2006 at 22:36
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Err, no. "The Driver needs to be more adaptable to the conditions..." (Bad workman always blames his tools remember)
------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 00:07
Maybe you're right I should've held my speed at 20mph on the motorway and increase my chances of being involved and causing an accident... 
Read the threads mate they all state hazardous conditions...none of them said "guess what I was doing 90/100mph in the rain", if so they are stupid and reckless which I'm not. All I was suggesting that preventive measures for the future especially if climate changes are certain. ------------- |
Posted By: BMW328i
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 09:02
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As a Civil Engineer and fellow motorist I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. However as grahame has quite rightly pointed, our fuel duty, road tax fund etc goes on everything else bar the roads. Aside from surface water issues, shoddy patch-up work by contractors maintaining existing services has also been the norm for near enough a decade, only now have transportation departments in local government authorities acknowledged the problem. Back to surface water though and in terms of the money required first of all for research into what materials to use, sustainability issues and as mentioned the tree-hugger enviromentally friendly contingent and your better off just accepting that your going to have to change your tyres at 4mm mate. Dont expect anything from these clowns that way you dont get dissapointed |
Posted By: gjoconnor92
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 09:29
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Just a little comment from Ireland. Our last track day was in torrential conditions. The drivers that went out and drove hard learned a lot about their limits and the car's limits. It annoys me when people say they will not do a track day when it is wet. A wet day is when you learn most. You could come away from a wet track with a skill that could save yours or an innocent person's life. ------------- Gerard O'Connor 
1989 E30 320i for track day use 1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!) http://homepage.eircom.net/~goconnor/Fvee1/FVee.htm - Sheane Formula Vee mailto:bmw2002_92@yahoo.ie - My e-mail |
Posted By: Bigian
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:02
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It does not matter how much rubber (apart from the legal requirement) on your tyres if you are going to aquaplane it will happen. I seen this happen a while ago coming back from Glasgow with bus. Big 4x4 coming other direction standing and falling water hit patch nothing motor could do started to aquaplane he/she had no control and crashed in to ditch at side of road. ------------- If you can't be good don't get caught -------------------------- |
Posted By: grahame34m5
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:25
Hero, hero Tiko don't worry thepits is just stiring, which I think you'll find is in his job description -------------
08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
Posted By: finnie
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:29
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What a surprise, another day of heavy rain in Glasgow. When willit end so I can wash the car. It looks awful!
------------- Silverstone Blue 2006 E60 M5, 1999 Caterham Superlight R, 204bhp! |
Posted By: bluebro
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 11:33
It will end next week then the snow will start!  -------------  F22 Estoril Blue M235i |
Posted By: BMW328i
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 13:46
Im guessing our job descriptions are one in the same?? Im guessing this because if you were from a Structural or Mechanical background you would of told me I wasnt a REAL Engineer |
Posted By: Rossi
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 14:22
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lol...GOOD!! at least there will be more interesting topics.. ------------- |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 15:24
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Just back from aberdeen , All the way down the road pouring , kept to about 60 no incidents, but yesterday going north on the M80 I was about 0.5 mile past the river Carron the road was damp but fine open right hander and I saw a "river" , not joking, crossing the road . I was doing speed limitish , hit the water and I was a passenger as I floated across. There was nothing to do but wait untill i landed at the other side , I had moved about a yard sideways across the lane and had a little shimmy to bring things back into line when I did . Did see the road engineers at it as I passed again today but it was still a full flowing river crossing the northbound carriageway( it disappeared into the central reserve. re road engineering I remember about 20 years ago reading about a porous road surface where the rain just pours through the sucface and drains below but it cost twice as much and lasted half as long.....................I have never heard of it being used in this country ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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Posted By: Bigian
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 17:18
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we should use it we must be the wetist country cause when do we ever get a hose pipe ban. There has not been 1 for quite a few years now ------------- If you can't be good don't get caught -------------------------- |
Posted By: ewan.c
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 18:31
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Only too true hehe, thankfully I am not an engineer....worse than that....
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Posted By: grahame34m5
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 19:25
What a QS? -------------
08 e60 Alpina B5 S sold, please forgive me 03 e39 M5 sold 98 e38 728 Sport Individual dead 93 e34 M5 sold |
Posted By: digweed
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 19:37
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oh guys ye should come over here and try it!!! honestly with the state of someof the roads over here why you see surface water you don't know whether you are going to splash through it or fall into a swimming pool. wrt the tread depth i read somewhere that when the tyre reaches the 1.6mm mark its already lost 85% of its grip!!! wrt the road surface, there is a part of a dual carraigeway in galway (for those interested its' the piece that goes by the racecourse and tom hogan motors), this has a special road surface that draws water away from the surface and produces less spray. its been there for years and never had any work done on it and its one of the busiest roads into the city. bit o/t there is also a test piece of road not too far away from there that has another special makeup that is like taking 66% of the cars off the road due to the noise reduction (how do i know this? 'coz i made it!!!) D. 
------------- Dermot O Rourke, used to be '99 520 black metallic Now '01 525 M-Sport, cosmos black, sports half leather seats, upgraded lights and a kick like a mule!!! |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 13-December-2006 at 21:09
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Err, no I wasn't actually, if you loose control in bad conditions, then you obviously haven't appriciated how bad they are, and should adjust your driving accordingly. Low tread levels don't help - but you (should) know what condition your car is, and modify accordingly.
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Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 14-December-2006 at 00:17
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Thats absolute pants Pits..
4mm of tread is just over 50% used...fact. So I do know the condition of my car and it's maintained perfectly. Just because I don't have an F1A accredition (do you?) like yourself doesn't mean that my driving abilities are that significantly less...common sense prevails IMO. Just out of curiousity what do you drive Pits? ------------- |
Posted By: nickso
Date Posted: 14-December-2006 at 12:43
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is this maybe the same sort of stuff thats on the dualler outside brechin? it hasnt needed much work done to it apart from the odd patch and has certainly outlasted the tarmac it joins onto on both sides....seems to get rid of water better and has more grip if you need to stop. admittedly it is mostly heavily sloped so this may be helping get rid of the water but i dont recall seeing any big puddles or rivers on it at any time |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 14-December-2006 at 21:27
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An E30 M3 - daily to/from work, week-ends to race-circuits all over the country (and occasionally ON the circuits - lol) all weathers! No electronic aids on MY car! ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 01:36
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Not to offend any E30 M3 drivers but 220bhp vs 350 bhp is huge difference...hence the need for traction control..
However, fear not my little chum as it has been known for me to drive my car pretty much unaided most times...who's the hero now then 
And besides don't cars from BTCC to the mighty F1 use the aid of traction..? Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Anyway...the weathers calmed down for now and unlucky souls down south are getting it...so be careful and you! ------------- |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 09:23
Oi !!!!!!!! 238bhp ya cheeky git for some at least  ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: Rossi
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 10:54
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Yup, the stabilisers have been removed from the car... choice... E30 M3 or E46 M3...E30 M3 wins for me anyday IMHO, at least you are a gay icon thepits. ------------- |
Posted By: m3tiko
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 11:08
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Apologies Gary
Sorry Rossi did yours need them too Thought not 
e30 m3 is a grand car and will always be iconic did I say its wasnt mmmmmmm, great car and still turns heads e46 m3 holds its own as does its e36 counterpart, its just the cars have evolved and become more powerful hence the need for dsc abs etc ------------- |
Posted By: Rossi
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 11:09
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<yawn> ------------- |
Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 11:11
Quite. Time for this thread to go to bed methinks. -------------
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Posted By: nero
Date Posted: 15-December-2006 at 11:13
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Something like this .....
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