Help buyin a 6 Series
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Topic: Help buyin a 6 Series
Posted By: Nikols
Subject: Help buyin a 6 Series
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 20:51
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Hi have spent the last few years dreamin of an 80's 6 series bmw and spent the last month researching in earnest with the aim of making it a reality. Really hoping one of u guys can help me out with some good advice... my story is.. plannin a trip to england hopefully at the start of march to see what i can get for my converted euro. Have a good idea what to look out for as potential problems re bodywork eg front wings, round the sunroof etc. dont know very much engine wise (any advice here would be really appreciated). lookin to spend in or around 6 - 8k stg. The hope is a manual m635csi in pretty good nick, is this realistic? and, seein as its gonna be around 20 years young, the question Ive been avoiding in my head but need to ask.. am i opening myself up to years of financial hurt Thanks Mark |
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Posted By: Fey!
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 21:43
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http://www.wlnautomotive.co.uk/products.cfm - Keep an eye on this lot ------------- "http://www.tempoantiques.com""> 
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Posted By: Nikols
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 22:55
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thanks fey, will keep an eye out on it. had a look at the site and well impressed, some slick cars, have a mate that just sold his 95 m3 this weekend and is lookin for an evo to replace it, sent him on the link for the evo 2, probably a bit steep but he can annoy himself lookin at it.. |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 23:05
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Im going to move this to the 6er forum where it will get more relevant hits. Become friendly with some of the 6 enthuasiasts and you might even get one of them to help inspect it. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Robbie Bradford
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 23:31
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Welcome to the forum Mark, good to see you on here. Good luck with the search, i'll keep an eye out for you. ------------- http://www.BMW-driver.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21 - http://www.BMW-driver.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21 |
Posted By: Nikols
Date Posted: 13-February-2007 at 23:59
| cheers lads |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 00:02
Oh yes. £6000 - 8000 *should* get you a pretty reasonable M635. Most important thing to look for, as you know, is rust. They rust everywhere. The front wings at the indicators, and at the sill. The inner wings in particular rot, principally because of that stupid wee shelf bit. The floorpans and the sills, inner sills and jacking points are all possible rot areas as are the screen surrounds and the base of the B posts along with the arches and the sunroof area. Oh and they can also rot at the number plate panel and below the rear lights. Fixing this little lot will cost thousands and thousands. Here's how I know:- http://bigcoupe.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3190 - http://bigcoupe.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3190 Don't be put off if the engine sounds a little "busy". They were never the quietest things. The timing chain on a UK car MUST be done as soon as is feasible once the car reaches 100,000 miles. They do snap. It's not a myth like the E30 M3 timing chain saga. Budget £1500 if it hasn't been done. Other than that the engine is pretty strong and you're really looking for evidence of regular servicing and maintenance. The gearbox can rumble a bit in neutral while warm. If the noise is only there when you put your foot on the clutch it's the release bearing, if it goes away when you put your foot on the clutch, it's the gearbox. It'll go on for years like that and I haven't heard a 280 yet that doesn't do it. In the drivetrain watch out for well known issues like the steering box bracket and diff mounts. Make sure that the dampers, if replaced have been replaced with the correct items. I've seen standard dampers on an M635 - either through partsman ignorance or a desire to reduce maintenance costs. Biggest issues are rust, rust, rust and the timing chain. A car needing wings and sills tidied and without the chain done will probably be an uneconomic prospect unfortunately, but the money you want to spend should get you a good one. If you want any assistance, please get in touch. I'd be prepared to have a look at any prospects for you, in fact I'm aiming to look at one in Manchester for a prospective purchaser on Thursday. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Nikols wrote:Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 12:13
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That's probably Ryan's..... -------------   
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Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 17:29
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It is Ryan's, but it turns out that it's not currently in Manchester after all.
------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 18:03
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His M635 has/is being fettled by the bodyshop who did my wings. I understand they did quite a bit to his 635CSI & it was pretty tidy when they finished. Beware having to replace wings. Howard Walker tells me someone dropped the panel stamp so all new wings are now slightly twisted & take some fettling to make fit. As I have a spot of rust caused by the filch plate I'm having mine removed & stripped back to bare metal on both sides before lead loading & repainting. Anyone know the best way to remove recent underseal? As advised, get the best Six you can as repair costs mount up very quickly. A £5k Six can easily become a £10k one. you're better off buying a pampered low miler for that kind of money rather than trying to fettle a tired example by throwing money at it. WLN aren't really known for selling 635's - Munich Legends are the specialists for those. They say good 635's are becoming hard to source never mind M635's so you may have to hunt around yourself. ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 21:18
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His car was ready for collection last weekend, but he couldn't make it. It sounds a good job at a reasonable price to me. His car should be one of the best currently available for sale. No significant rust issues AND the chain done. Sounds a decent buy to me and it looks good too. Don't like the wheels, but they're easily/cheaply replaced. £6-8000 won't buy you a standard 635 at ML let alone an M635. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Nikols
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 23:04
| hey m3cecotto, cheers for the advice in your post. checked out that website last night and proper put the shts up me. Still feeling undeterred tho there's chinks in the armour now... I'll keep sucking in all the advice I can get over the next month. Cheers for the offer of help, if i see one or two that sparks interest i hope i can bounce them off u anyway |
Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 23:29
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I have been running 635s and M635s for years. Currently I have an M in the garage with 25K on the clock and a 635 with just over 40K, both in mint condition.
If you have around £40K in the kitty you can have them both. (joking - won't be selling them) I found a 635 late last year with 5K genuine on the clock, and still kick myself for not buying it for £15K. There are only about 900 sixes and perhaps 200 M6s left in the UK. The good ones are getting more expensive, and the poor ones cheaper. You should be able to get a good working example without too much rust and with 80-100K on the clock for between £5K and £8K, but you must be prepared to look and wait. There is nothing that I have driven that is as much fun as a six of either variety. The M6 is great over winding country roads in the dry, but watch them in the wet, if they have old original tyres on them. TRX ones. These are now only available at two sources in the UK, and cost around £220 each. I just changed my 1988 rears on the 6 last week after they had done 40K - dated March 1988. All the side wall split on one of them. Still had 4mm tread all round. Th M6 on the other hand was fitted with new TRXs for a trip to Belgium last year, and drives really well in the wet or dry. So its not tRXs that skip in the wet - just old ones. All the tips that you have been given are generally correct, but the timing chain is not really the problem that it is made out to be. My last M6 is still running on the original, and it had well over 150K miles on the clock when I sold it some years back. However, the consequences of it breaking are very severe, so it may be worth the cost. Incidentally, the £1500 covers all the other incidentals that are best done when you go to the expense of taking the head off an M635. It is the labour that costs, so have the valves and the rest of the gear changed at the same time. MPG will be around 20 -22 for the M6 driven carefully, with up to 28 on a run using 98+octane petrol. The 635 should do around 24 overall with 31 on a good long run using Motorways. Not many of them in Ireland. Make sure your suspension is OK or you will suffer! I know, havng done 1000 miles last year on a tour of the south. Bones still aching! If you are a youngster, you probably will not notice, as the joy of driving a six is worth the pain! I will advise if any good original ones come up for sale. There was a well repaired on for sale in the last issue of the BMW Car Club magazine - owned by Ross Harris if I remember correctly - rumoured to have had upwards of £15 K spent on it,and pretty well done. Best wishes in your search. Howard ------------- 1963 700 LS 1988 635 CSi 1990 M635 CSi no longer! 2001 E38 728i Individual http://www.tyneships.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.tyneships.co.uk |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 14-February-2007 at 23:49
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It was on eBay, with reserve set some way over six grand... So that's me out of the running
Half-joking tip: get a relative to sponsor part or all of the cost.
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Posted By: RossM6/635
Date Posted: 15-February-2007 at 05:47
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Hi She is still for sale, and open to any inspection. And Ivan`s nearly right , almost 20K has been spent on her over the past few years , paper work to prove. The car is perfect and only for sale because arrival of B7 Turbo. What a beast Check out EBay. Reagrds ------------- Ross |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 15-February-2007 at 14:31
He's realistic about what it will sell for. It's a good car with all the major expense expended. Got to be worth £6500 all day long in my view. However £12000 (asking price) for Ross's Macau beauty is a steal - if you've got £12000 to lay out on a 6er. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 15-February-2007 at 20:34
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I agree with all comments above. On TRX wheels i personally am not a fan. However the most recent batch of TRX's that i am sure howard has on his car has a more regular tread pattern and they work well. What you want to look out for is TRX's with the X tread pattern. They are useless new or old wet or dry. Personally as good as the later TRX michelins are i would always go with some imperial rubber on some 16" or 17" rims, but thats down to personal choice. £6-8k will get you a reasonable M635csi, but will probable require a new chain which is exspensive. It will also need some work doing to it. Maybe a little bit of rust, but should not need new wings or major bodywork surgery. £10 - 12k will get you an excellent example and the best examples like Howards and Ross's M635's if you can find them will command prices well above £15k Remember all sixes will have some rust in them apart from Ross's cars and as mentioned above i think £12k for Ross's 635csi Highline Motorsport is very good value for money. For your budget 6-8K however i would exspect that you could probable pick up and absolute mint late highline needing almost nothing doing to it. Driving the two cars they are very different and i would base your choice on what you want. M635csi is a bit of an animal. They are revy enourmously fun to drive, but can also be a great long distant companion. Ride is stiffer and harder they are a bit lower and suit a more comited driving style. Clutches are usually heavy and so driving in town is hard work. For me this is not a problem, but for some it is. The engine spools up quickly, the gearchange is positive if a little slow, and the feedback is direct. 635csi are much softer and are great long distant cars. They rev lower on the motorway (due to a higher diff ratio) so are a more relaxed car, but are no slouches performance wise. All are auto's with very few exceptions. They are great in town and waft along effortlessly. Due to a less complicated engine they are cheaper to run, better on fuel and are slightly more torquey with a flat torque curve. (The M engine has more torque, but it comes in higher) However if you drive one like an M635 they roll a lot round corners, the brakes go off quickly and ultimately are not as satisfying to drive when driven hard. Good, but not like the M635. Then in the middle you have a manual 635 if you can find one. These are rarer then either car. Only 1 in 20 was manual and almost no series 2 cars. These had a LSD as standard and basically the same box as the m635 but with the 635's final drive. They give a bit of a halfway house in driving style. You have the same relaxed cruise as the 635, but are more rewarding when you press on. They will deliver better fuel consumption then the 635 as a well driven manual is more efficient then an old auto box, but will have the same town driving draw backs as the M635. However the soft suspension can be easily sorted by applying M635 dampers and springs to a standard car. This sorts out the handling and many owners are now uprating the brakes to 750/540 spec giving equivercle braking to the M car. All M parts can be added and this is what i have. A manual 635 with the suspension and braking system uprated to just beyond M635 spec. Anyway to end my rambling rust is the biggest evil with these cars. I would prefere to buy a sorted rust free 635 that is perfect then a slightly rust m635 as you never know what lies beneth. Hope this helps James -------------  Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 15-February-2007 at 22:53
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Yes you do! Time to get the bargepole out. The extendable one. -------------
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Date Posted: 15-February-2007 at 22:55
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Posted By: panrixx
Date Posted: 14-July-2007 at 03:56
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Hi, Is she now sold? If not, can you let me have some details/photos? Regards Brian |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 16-July-2007 at 23:19
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Some very good advice from the threads above and I can concur with all of it. I was the owner of a 1989 635csi Highline which I bought as a restoration project. It was a low mileage car 60k with some rust issues that I foolishly decided to take on. I spent alot more than planned fixing the rust and in hindsight I should have bought the best rust free example I could afford. In the end I spent more on the car than a really sorted one would have been in the first place but it was a very nice car when I was finished. Highlines are the most desireable of all the sixes and are the most expensive. You could get a nice rust free 635csi Highline for your top end budget of £8000 but good rust free M635csi Highlines now command £17-30k. Pre Highline 635csi's represent the best value for money at the moment. They are not as sought after but nontheless have their own following, it just really boils down to personal preferance but a very nice rust free pre Highline car would be in the region of £5000. My advice to you with your budget would be to buy the best rust free 635csi Highline or non highline you can afford but to steer clear of M635csi's as I feel that you will only be buying trouble for £8k. I recently purchased M635csi chassis no. 524 which was the last M635/M6 EVER built. It has 64k on the clock and was not cheap, but I have learnt my lesson it has no rust and will be good buy in the long run. Remember prices for good cars are rising slowly. Best of luck with your search, here are some examples I spotted but I have not seen the cars in the flesh. Regards, Bayerische. http://www.auto-barn.co.uk/cardetails.asp?autobarnID=39 - http://www.auto-barn.co.uk/cardetails.asp?autobarnID=39 http://www.oldcolonelcars.co.uk/ - http://www.oldcolonelcars.co.uk/ http://www.the80semporium.co.uk/forsale/ - http://www.the80semporium.co.uk/forsale/ |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 17-July-2007 at 08:58
Really?!! That's excellent news, and I'm sure that there are one or two truly exceptional, low mileage or show cars that have been advertised for those sort of sums, and while I love my M635, and have no plans to sell it, anyone turning up here with even the low end of the price range you quote will have their hand AND arm bitten off. I think in the real world of normal classic cars, and by that I mean not the concours entering garage queens, if you were to halve those values, i.e. 8500 - 15000, you'd get yourself a decent useable car, not needing anything spent immediately, but requiring regular maintenance and care to maintain it in its current condition (like them all). Anyway, let's see some photos of 0760524. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 17-July-2007 at 15:03
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I am delighted you are happy with the news, you should run out now and get an agreed value on your insurance. I am talking about Highlines that need no work doing to them including timing chains etc, rust free and lowish mileage and the garage queens are now the only good cars left as 20 years of salty roads has taken its toll on all sixes that have not been pampered. I used £30k as a top end as a very low mileage one was sold for that and has perhaps set a precedence, but that is an extreme case of course and most cars do not fall in to that category but good examples with between 50-70k are now fetching £15000 easily and minimum £17k from a specialist. There are plenty of high mileage highlines with 100k plus miles for sale for between £8k-12k but they will need work and as you found out yourself costs quickly spiral out of control when you are fixing sixes. Non Highline M635's will be cheaper. I will post photos of 524 when I get a chance.
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 27-July-2007 at 22:53
Yes, that was the red M635CSi Highline sold to a Dr. Grey with about 800 miles on the clock, after sitting in a private collection in Scotland for a very long time. When the car was reviewed by Total BMW magazine a few years ago, the mileage had only moved onl slightly to 2000 or so miles. Dr. Grey wouldn't actually come out point blank and say what he paid for it, but the magazine speculated that £30,000 was not wide of the mark. By contrast, if we look even further back than that, there is another magazine "star", this being the Macao Blue M635CSi "F 715 MNU" owned and kept in showroom order by Ross Harris. Valued by Munich Legends at £27,500 or in that region, it had done about 25,000 miles. Ross waited patiently - very patiently - before running off with it for about £18,000. -------------
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Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 28-July-2007 at 01:36
That just goes to show how much good M635csi's have risen in value in the last few years as £18000 for F715MNU seems like a steal now. I almost bought a dolphin grey one in Munich legends two years ago with 19k on it. It was offered to me for £21500 and I declined as I thought it was too much money at the time, I am kicking myself now that I didn't buy it. Munich Legends confirmed to me that the red one did indeed go for £30k as they did the recomissioning work on the car as it had been stored for so long that it needed quite a bit of work to get it roadworthy again. I have heard a couple of reports second hand that an owner at the Gaydon meet last year was offered £50k for his mint M635csi and declined. I think M635csi's/M6's are now starting to creep in to batmobile territory in terms of desireability and prices will rise accordingly. I am sure that if the red highline with 2k on the clock came back on to the market it would go for alot more than £30k. Regards, Bayerische. |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 29-July-2007 at 00:44
£30000? £50000? CSL Batmobile territory?! I'll have a pint of whatever you're drinking. There will always be exceptional cars making exceptional money compared to other similar, less exceptional cars, but for the normal run of the mill, good M635s, my experience suggests £10000 is currently more than enough to get a really good car. OK not Ross's, Dr. Grey's or, no doubt, your's, but a good useable car that doesn't need a great deal done to it and most importantly isn't too good to give a good ragging every now and then. They are polarising though and poorer ones, needing significant bodywork and/or mechanical work are plentiful and not easy to sell, whereas good ones are tending, now, to be in the hands of enthusiasts who want to keep them, but to generalise that "....good rust free M635csi Highlines now command £17-30k." is just scaremongering. For my part I hope that they retain their value and maybe increase a wee bit more than inflation. I don't want to see M635s at £30000 - £50000 - I'm afraid, in my view that puts them in the hands of the wrong people - collectors, investors and speculators rather than enthusiasts. I do not care how much my cars are worth, in fact I'm frightened to think about it, but as soon as I hear the words, "you know, since I bought it, it's gone up in value by..............", I want to throw up. As a test of the market, 0760036 is being auctioned by Barons on Tuesday, "Finished in black with black Recaro leather interior, the car has benefited from new suspension, new brake callipers and pads, new brake discs and stainless steel, sports, exhaust. Described as being in very good condition and not suffering from the usual 6 Series rust problems, the car does retain the all important, original Metric alloy wheels and correct TRX tyres. Note: The car was the subject of a Cat C insurance claim in 1999 with damage to the near side front." I'll be astonished if it makes more than £7500 and I think £5-6000 is more likely. It'll not make £17000, £30000, or £50000. Anyway, I'd love to see some photos of the last ever M635 built - the last batch of RHDs was the last built and therefore 0760524 is the last M635 built. Let's see a couple of the E28 M5 as well please, before they are worth more than a Mercedes Benz 600 Pullman. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 29-July-2007 at 19:42
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Once again you have misquoted me so I will make my point again. Do try and pay attention this time. 1. I said that M635csi's were beginning to creep in to batmobile territory not in price but in desireability and prices would rise as a result, and by using the word creep I meant that they are not quite there yet before you start throwing that back in my face. 2.This whole tread was started by a chap who had max £8000 to spend on a six series and I suggested that he would be better off buying a good 635csi as opposed to a M635csi. For £8000 you would possibly get a reasonable pre highline which would probably need work and therefore he will have gone over his budget. I also stated that highlines are more expensive but you could get a M635csi highline for between £8-12k but I wouldn't advise it in his case as they would be highmilers and possibly have rust issues and need money spent on them and once again would put him way over budget. I agree with you, you can get a very nice pre highline M635csi for £10k, there is one for sale at the moment on the BMW car club website with 68k on it which came from the MD of Birds private collection and although I have not seen it I would say its a lovely car. Now if that car was a Highline in similar condition and mileage the owner would be mad to sell it for less than £15k and as I stated before from a specialist more like 17k minimum. These would be cars with no rust and Nothing needing doing to them. Yes, We could all take your advice and and buy a" perfectly useable example" of a highline and then spend the next few months getting grey hairs and shelling out thousands of pounds practically rebuilding the entire underside of the car. Not for me thanks, I made that mistake once and wont do it again. 3. You love to misquote me with the higher values of Highlines I mentioned. As I said before if you took the time to read the thread properly, the £30k car that was sold is not the norm nor is Ross Harris's car as they are ultra low mileage cars which fall in to a different category so I dont think I was scaremongering. I am talking about very good rust free examples of Highlines with moderate miles and they WILL cost around 17k. For your homework tonight, Call around some of the well known specialists and ask them if they have a M635csi Highline with moderate miles and NO rust. The first thing they will tell you is that they dont have one as there were only 101 RHD built and good ones are like hens teeth. The second thing they will tell you is that if they do end up finding one for you, you can expect to pay between £17-20k. Private sale cars will be cheaper of course. I think in your argument you are getting mixed up with highline and pre highline cars when you are talking about prices. Just so you know, Highlines were the later ones. I will post some photos of 524 in due course. You are correct it was the last one ever built, I have a letter from BMW AG confirming it as the last one, build date March 3rd 1989 even though most websites show the last one built was in Feb '89. I will also take some photo's of the M5 no. 179 but I better make sure not to scratch it taking it out of the garage now that it is quickly approaching Benz 600 pullman values. Regards, Bayerische |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 29-July-2007 at 21:26
It's OK. It's not worth the bother, you're clearly deluded, or more likely, trying to talk up the values of your cars. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 29-July-2007 at 22:43
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Well I can see both Bayerische & M3Cecotto's points of view here. Prices of Sixes have been rising, anyone remember Quentin Willsons Fifth Gear review where he urged us to buy a "good, solid car" for £3-£3.5k? How we laugh now! That was about a year before I bought my Six & I paid a lot more than that, admittedly from a dealer not private sale. Dealers normally charge a £2k premium over private sales which can lead to snorts of derision about paying over the odds. In my case I was happy to pay the premium as I had neither the time nor inclination to go chasing around the country looking at over priced sheds. My Audi A6 was dropping more than that a year in depreciation anyway. I will have had my Six for 4 years come November. It's been fairly trouble free (excluding the new coolant hoses leaking steam into the distributor!) but even so, I've now bitten the bullet & got new wings & bumper cover. That's a near £1500 bill before Club discount + another £900 for a half respray. Add in a new windscreen & my "little" tidy up will be getting on for £2500. Clearly not worth it on a £3k car but a necessity if I wish to keep it in top order. I'm not sure I would get my original purchase price back if I sold it though a guy did offer me £8k for it when he saw it in town the other week. But what else can you buy for £8k? The £10k sorted M635 private sale is now with us. Dealers like Munich Legends will be asking £12-£15k for mint cars with under 100k miles. I have noticed the gap between 635's & M635's is growing from the £2k difference it used to be. Supply & demand has a lot to do with this. If you look at Munich Legends, they very rarely advertise a Six of any type. This is because they have more buyers than cars (even at their prices!). I know because the took over 9 months to find mine for me. For years now the E9 CS coupes have been afforded classic status but prices have not reflected this. The CSLs command far higher prices especially from dealers like ML. Reported restoration costs of £30k no doubt put people off, especially if the car would only sell for half of that. The Six suffers from the same problem. Better to pay your money up front & enjoy a sorted car than to throw money at a tired example. This situation may well change if demand remains strong & people hang on to the good examples. The only time I worry about the value of my car is at insurance renewal time for my agreed value cover. One thing is for sure, I'd have to spend more than I did the last time to replace it. ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: 635CSi
Date Posted: 30-July-2007 at 00:40
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I saw a lovely black '89 Highline with grey leather on Exchequer Street yesterday, it looked in very tidy order. Anyone on here own it by any chance??
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Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 30-July-2007 at 00:50
I think you have some valid points m3Cecotto and I am not trying to talk up the values of my car as I only just bought it in the last couple of months and was not expecting to pay what I did, I think perhaps you are living in the past with regard to what these cars are now fetching but I dont think throwing your teddy out of the pram helps your argument a whole lot. Regards, Bayerische |
Posted By: Bopsy
Date Posted: 30-July-2007 at 17:02
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Excellent post. Both you guys obviously know your cars and a very enjoyable read! ------------- Bopsy! 
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Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 30-July-2007 at 23:42
No teddies. No pram. Just no point in continuing. You have your view, I have mine and we're not going to agree, other than that, generally, prices are going up; good cars are getting rarer and more valuable; poor ones are difficult to sell at any cost; and, there are now many unviable M635s. I prefer the Highline, but I always thought that the pre Highlines were considered to be more desireable as well? Lighter etc.? Anyway, you bought your M5 first, IIRC? How do you think they compare, bearing in mind that it's the same engine/box, running gear, and chassis? You'll not be surprised to hear that I have a firm opinion on this as well, but I'd be interested to hear your's. ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 01-August-2007 at 14:55
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Fair enough, I think we will agree to disagree and leave it at that. What I do agree on though is your choice of rolling stock, a man after my own heart and believe it or not my next car would be an e30 325i convertible but I have run out of money and garage space. If I was forced to sell one of the cars it would be the M5 as I prefer the M635csi as it is the car I have wanted since I was fifteen years of age but for a blast down a country road I think the M5 drives better and feels more sporty being a little lighter and it feels like a much smaller car, but I much prefer the look of the six and still think it is the most beautiful car BMW ever made. Regards, Bayerische |
Posted By: m3Cecotto
Date Posted: 01-August-2007 at 23:59
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Interesting. I asked because between doing the deal (and paying) for the M5 and collecting it, I had serious doubts about why I had bought it. I worried that it would be just the same as the M635 - it had to be with the same engine, gearbox, running gear and floorpan. I always thought, even when I had the E30 M3, that the M635 was the ultimate M car, but that the E28 M5 was something very special too, with so few being made and that engine, it was always very high up my list and was a car that had to be ticked off. I'm amazed at how different it is from the M635, lighter, nimbler, sharper, smaller - it drives like a quieter, bigger, faster, more torquey, four door E30 M3 with the steering wheel on the right side. It's firm, but not harsh, it handles superbly and the steering is perfectly weighted. It's a far, far better drive than the M635 - and that's a great drive too. I've also considered the "which one to sell if I have to" question and when it comes down to it, if I had to sell one of them, it'd be a tricky decision, but despite it all, the M5 would go and I'd keep the E24. The E28 M5 is the best driving M car I've ever driven. Part of its appeal is that nobody knows what it is - it just looks like an old E28 and even if you do know what it is, how many have driven one and know how good it is? But, it's just so much more of an occasion in the 6, it feels more special - even though there's more of them. They're both brilliant, just different, but I'm an E24 man too. But the most beautiful car BMW ever made? You're having a giraffe here are you not? What about the 507? What about the M1? What about an E9 CSL? 2002 turbo? Even the Z8 must be in with a shout? ------------- 1981 E23 735i 1989 E30 325i Motorsport Cabrio 1989 E24 635CSi Motorsport Edition http://www.bavarianretro.com" rel="nofollow - Bavarian Retro Cars |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 03-August-2007 at 19:22
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No, certainly not, but the cars you have listed above are gorgeous especially the 507 and and the E9 CSL. I guess at the end of the day it is a very personal thing and the M635csi is the car that I lusted after as a teenager as I would quite happily have given one of my limbs for a Highline and possibly the wedding tackle for one in Royal blue. The M635csi/635csi is the most sinister looking of them all and still my favorite but the E9 CSL would be a close second. I agree that driving the six does feel like more of an occasion and it definately turns more heads when out and about. In the six you feel more like getting on a ferry and cruising down to the south of France. In the M5 the boy racer comes out in me and all you want to do is make Honda Civics with black bonnets and big exhausts look stupid at traffic lights, and it has no problem doing that. There was a good article by Chris Harris in Autocar a couple of weeks ago about the E28 M5. In it he said that the M5 is not particularly fast by todays standards but it can still catch modern M cars off guard as it is so low key and relatively unknown. Even though both cars share most of the major components they have very different personalities. If both cars were parked outside my house, 7 times out of ten I would find myself walking towards the six. I will post photo's of 524 as soon as I can as I havn't taken any pics yet and it is not stored at home. Regards, Bayerische |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 03-August-2007 at 23:38
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The only other BMW I've ever really lusted after was the Z8. Sorry, but there ye go... -------------
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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 04-August-2007 at 12:25
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In an ideal world I'd have an E9 3.0 CSi (not the over-rated CSL), my 635 & an 850 to play with. Outside of BMW the list is endless. ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ubersixer
Date Posted: 17-August-2007 at 00:03
| hi,new to the site,very enjoyable. re the last m6 made chassi number 524, i own one which is 491, not far behind. |
Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 17-August-2007 at 00:18
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Sweet. Welcome to the forum ubersixer. You must stick up some pics. Do
you drive the car much or is it a museum piece? ------------- 1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel. 2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys. |
Posted By: Bayerische
Date Posted: 17-August-2007 at 18:54
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Welcome to the site ubersixer, there cant be too many M635's in Dublin, what colour is she? have you had her long? would love to see some photos. I will try and post some photos of mine this week. Regards, Bayerische |