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Topic: €3,500 to spend, which Bimmer?
Posted By: Daveco
Subject: €3,500 to spend, which Bimmer?
Date Posted: 17-January-2008 at 11:19
Folks,

As the title says I have this much to spend on a motor (in cash, if that makes a difference). I know it's not a lot but I think I can still find something relatively decent. At the moment I'm looking at e36 coupe's with high mileage; everything from the 318is to the 328 with preference on the 6 cylinder models, though am not sure how much the tax will be with the new set up.
I'd appreciate any info or comments from people who know these cars and suggestions on which model is the best to go for. I'd like it to pretty nippy and reliable so if there's a problem model/engine let me know.
All BM model suggestions welcome!
 



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Posted By: 73touring
Date Posted: 17-January-2008 at 11:38
e34 525I Sport?
E30 325i (Now seem to have come down in price)


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Now
1973 BMW 2002 Touring (Algea)
1994 BMW 525i Sport

Previously
1975 BMW 2002tii
1990 BMW 318i
1990 BMW 320i


Posted By: beemerchris
Date Posted: 17-January-2008 at 12:53

Hi Dave

finaly you get a proper motor again...

e36 328 is certainly an option there are some b2.5's going around in the uk at the mo and a cheaky offer might get you one of those for your budget e34 or e39 might be an option too however if you are concerened with go fast than only 525's 535's or a 540 will fit the bill all can be had for your sort of cash 540 manuals however are as rare as rocking horse pooh as you probably know.

HTH

Chris



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3rock-Car-Electronics-Services

Cars.:
e34 540t 6sp
e24 635csi


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 17-January-2008 at 13:32

'93 or '94 320i or better again 325i.  The 323i's and 328i's for your budget will all have nikasil engines and plenty of miles.  Might be fine but unless you know the car there is a bit of risk. 

'93 and '94 320i and 325i have single vanos M50 engines there are plenty to be had in the UK (although nice ones are fairly scarce here).

The 325i has the same power output as the 328i.  Having had both vanos and no vanos 325i the vanos is noticably torquier and good to have.  The M50 engine is fairly bulletproof (assuming its not had any cooling issues).



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e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Mick525i
Date Posted: 17-January-2008 at 21:49
Dave,

Is the 530d still alive???

Mick


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Mick

BMW E21 318 1980
BMW E39 525i 2002 MTech
VW Golf Gti 2003


Posted By: JohnH
Date Posted: 18-January-2008 at 12:48
I think you can definitely get something nice at that price, it'll just take a bit of looking.

I think it probably rules out buying in the UK, really only because you could burn through 25% of the budget going over to look at cars which were advertised as mint but are far from in the flesh.

I think an e36 or e34 is probably your best bet. I had a quick look on BuyandSell.ie and a few things caught my eye, there were a few 94/95 318iS and a 96 e34 525 all well within the budget. I would even think that you'll be able to haggle a few quid more off.  

Happy hunting!


Posted By: b318isp
Date Posted: 18-January-2008 at 13:21
A clean early e36 325i would be a good buy, a bot of extra poke would be handy. E30 318is or 325i cars are great fun, but it may be a struggle to get a minter at the price. If you need the space, an E34 525i is always a cracker.

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Posted By: Bigian
Date Posted: 19-January-2008 at 17:49
E34 540 or an E34 M5

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Posted By: ivanovoitch
Date Posted: 19-January-2008 at 20:02
E34!

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Posted By: larzyh
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 08:07
There's an E34, manual, 540i Touring from 1994 for sale in the latest issue of BMWcar magazine. Asking £1500 ono. Might be tempting?

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Previously or currently, in the family: '77 E21 320, '78 E21 320, '79 E21 320, '87 E28 520i, '88 E30 325iC, '95 E34 525i, '98 E39 528i, '98 Z3 2.5, '98 E38 740iL, '95 E36 Compact, '99 E36 318iT, '02 E46 318iT, '96 E34 525tdsT, '98 E38 740iL...


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 13:50
Thanks for input lads, will probably go for an E36 coupe as I have no need for four doors and insurance is damn high above 3.0 litres. I could probably spend more, with one car catching my eye for sale AC cars at the moment...

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=869479 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=869479

I know they take care of their cars but it seems a bit expensive considering the mileage? Again opinions please.

Isn't the 323 quite easy to get extra power from by messing around with the intake system?




Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 14:10

It might seem a bit expensive for the miles but the fact that its a nikasil car that has had a new block is the big selling point.

A big bore throttle body combined with an inlet manifold replacement (from non-vanos M50 engines iirc) is the easiest way to get some useful additional horses from an M52 engine.  I'm sure there are some folks on here that have done it (ahealey on a 523i iirc).



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 15:25
Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

It might seem a bit expensive for the miles but the fact that its a nikasil car that has had a new block is the big selling point.

A big bore throttle body combined with an inlet manifold replacement (from non-vanos M50 engines iirc) is the easiest way to get some useful additional horses from an M52 engine.  I'm sure there are some folks on here that have done it (ahealey on a 523i iirc).



Would these mods be spotted by the thieves in the NCT dept? What kind of extra hp and torque would you get?


Posted By: Ben O Brien
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 15:42

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Would these mods be spotted by the thieves in the NCT dept? What kind of extra hp and torque would you get?
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It Definitely wont be spotted by the NCT guys anyway thats for sure... The manifold is an Original BMW part and the throttle body is untouched on the exterior.

As for power, by fitting the 325i/525i manifold expect to restore the M52's power to the 192bhp the M50 had and then with the throttle body you might be looking at close to 200... they respond well to a remap too, at least the M50 does so you could be looking at 210ish for a finish. Quite a lively engine.

 



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99' 728i Sport
98' E39 M5 - Avus Blue, Dec Car!
96' M3 Saloon - Estoril Blue
94' M3 3.0 Convertible
91' E34 M5 - 3.6, Macau Blue

*E36 M3's Breaking*


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 16:10
Originally posted by Ben O Brien Ben O Brien wrote:



Would these mods be spotted by the thieves in the NCT dept? What kind of extra hp and torque would you get?
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It Definitely wont be spotted by the NCT guys anyway thats for sure... The manifold is an Original BMW part and the throttle body is untouched on the exterior.

As for power, by fitting the 325i/525i manifold expect to restore the M52's power to the 192bhp the M50 had and then with the throttle body you might be looking at close to 200... they respond well to a remap too, at least the M50 does so you could be looking at 210ish for a finish. Quite a lively engine.

 

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Cheers Ben, would the fact that a new engine block was fitted not be  more of a negative point in this car?


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 16:47
No. A lot of the 323's and 328's suffered from a problem in the material
used in the engine. Nikasil. BMW replaced a lot of engine blocks under
warranty but a lot of owners of older cars had to pay out themselves.

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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: AHEALY
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 17:26
Yes, I had the throttle body/manifold conversion done and a remap. I had the remap done first unfortunately which improved bhp from 170 to 185, and following the manifold/TB job bhp increased to 202. Those were the results on the rolling road. The improvement is noticeable, and even more so at the top of the rev range.

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'97 523i & 95 M3
97 Subaru Impreza WRX Sport Wagon (sold)


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 18:18

Originally posted by Daveco Daveco wrote:

Cheers Ben, would the fact that a new engine block was fitted not be  more of a negative point in this car?

Definitely not a negative.  Not all engines were affected but those affected were terminal.  BMW quietly spent a lot of money fixing these long after warranties ran out.  It basically means that the most major engine components are relatively new and therefore have lots more life left (block, pistons, con-rods - not sure about crankshaft).

M50's and non-nikasil M52 engines are probably as close to bomb proof that you can get in a BMW.

btw. noted your comments re. 4 doors but if a mint low mile (low 50's), full history, post nikasil e36 323i SE for a little less than the coupe is of any interest, let me know.



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Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: ivanovoitch
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 20:06
Originally posted by Daveco Daveco wrote:

with one car catching my eye for sale AC cars at the moment...

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=869479 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=869479



Bit steep price wise. Non?


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Posted By: JohnH
Date Posted: 21-January-2008 at 20:15
It's a cracking car - I know from seeing it around the northside where it's former owner lives.
I don't think you'd be disappointed by it.


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 08:56
Originally posted by ivanovoitch ivanovoitch wrote:

Originally posted by Daveco Daveco wrote:

with one car catching my eye for sale AC cars at the moment...

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=869479 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=869479



Bit steep price wise. Non?


It sure is, VRT calculator has it coming at €6k, though it is the tidiest 323 on the market at the moment, with a new engine block. What to do...


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 10:28

In cases like this the VRT calculator is a bit of an irrelevance.  The same calculator generates an OMSP for a same age, 65k mile e46 328i SE at euro2577, an e36 328i SE at euro2250 and an e36 328i Sport at euro9297.  If anyone can find me clean e36 or e46 328i SE's at this price I'll take two of each.  A better test is, what can you buy a similar car for in the UK and what that would gross up to on the road here after exchange rate and VRT is added.  Add in a few hundred for getting the car back from the UK and then compare that against the price.  Add in the peace of mind that you'll get by buying from a widely recommended specialist.  (I have no association with the seller!).

At this end of the market you buy firstly on condition, secondly on provenance and these guide the third factor, price.  As a general rule too (unless you are very mechanically capable), you get what you pay for.  Buy cheap and it'll cost you more in the long run. 

My last 325i was a great example.  It was a 1993 car, 1 owner from new car with a full main dealer history and 70k miles when I bought it.  Just over two years and 22k miles later it cost me the sum total of 2 main dealer services, a pair of rear M-tech shocks, a couple of ABS sensors, some tyres and about euro1500 in depreciation.  Total cost, excluding road tax, insurance and petrol - about euro35 per week.  If I was being really tight about it I could have saved a few quid by breaking the dealer history and cutting a few corners.  I could have spent a grand or two less up front but it wouldn't have taken long to put that back in to running repairs and maintenance of a neglected example - and there are loads of those.



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 11:43
Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

In cases like this the VRT calculator is a bit of an irrelevance.  The same calculator generates an OMSP for a same age, 65k mile e46 328i SE at euro2577, an e36 328i SE at euro2250 and an e36 328i Sport at euro9297.  If anyone can find me clean e36 or e46 328i SE's at this price I'll take two of each.  A better test is, what can you buy a similar car for in the UK and what that would gross up to on the road here after exchange rate and VRT is added.  Add in a few hundred for getting the car back from the UK and then compare that against the price.  Add in the peace of mind that you'll get by buying from a widely recommended specialist.  (I have no association with the seller!).

At this end of the market you buy firstly on condition, secondly on provenance and these guide the third factor, price.  As a general rule too (unless you are very mechanically capable), you get what you pay for.  Buy cheap and it'll cost you more in the long run. 

My last 325i was a great example.  It was a 1993 car, 1 owner from new car with a full main dealer history and 70k miles when I bought it.  Just over two years and 22k miles later it cost me the sum total of 2 main dealer services, a pair of rear M-tech shocks, a couple of ABS sensors, some tyres and about euro1500 in depreciation.  Total cost, excluding road tax, insurance and petrol - about euro35 per week.  If I was being really tight about it I could have saved a few quid by breaking the dealer history and cutting a few corners.  I could have spent a grand or two less up front but it wouldn't have taken long to put that back in to running repairs and maintenance of a neglected example - and there are loads of those.



I remember that 325, sorry I missed out on it! In your opinion, do you think the price is justifiable?


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 12:31

My view is to never pay the full asking price, so a bit of gentle haggling should be the order of the day, but I'd say its not unreasonable if a couple of hundred were knocked off.  Its an m-tech spec - half leather sports seats, etc. Its had the block done - which means that the service history was good enough for BMW to put its hand in its pocket or else the owner spent a lot of money on the job.  Assuming the history since then is reasonable then it should be a good punt.  The only thing that might impact on that is the timeline you expect to keep it for.  By that I mean that by buying from a dealer you are paying a margin that you probably wouldn't get back if you sold it privately soon after.

The only other e36 on Carzone that might tempt me otherwise would be the one below.  Its a 328i Sport and the NCT date would suggest the likelihood of it being post nikasil but that should be confirmed with BMW UK (its an import). 

There is another 328i coupe for euro7k but I suspect its one that I looked at a couple of years ago.  If so the its a nikasil car and I had a couple of niggling questions about its history.  The description on the ad (no tax or NCT) would suggest the provenance hasn't improved.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=821073 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=821073



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Daveco
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 12:57
Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

My view is to never pay the full asking price, so a bit of gentle haggling should be the order of the day, but I'd say its not unreasonable if a couple of hundred were knocked off.  Its an m-tech spec - half leather sports seats, etc. Its had the block done - which means that the service history was good enough for BMW to put its hand in its pocket or else the owner spent a lot of money on the job.  Assuming the history since then is reasonable then it should be a good punt.  The only thing that might impact on that is the timeline you expect to keep it for.  By that I mean that by buying from a dealer you are paying a margin that you probably wouldn't get back if you sold it privately soon after.

The only other e36 on Carzone that might tempt me otherwise would be the one below.  Its a 328i Sport and the NCT date would suggest the likelihood of it being post nikasil but that should be confirmed with BMW UK (its an import). 

There is another 328i coupe for euro7k but I suspect its one that I looked at a couple of years ago.  If so the its a nikasil car and I had a couple of niggling questions about its history.  The description on the ad (no tax or NCT) would suggest the provenance hasn't improved.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=821073 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=821073



Good info, cheers Diarmuid. That black 328 is a stunner, it would have to be up in bloody Donegal.


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 23-January-2008 at 14:57

Originally posted by Daveco Daveco wrote:

Good info, cheers Diarmuid. That black 328 is a stunner, it would have to be up in bloody Donegal.

That's probably why its been there for a while and why the price has been dropped since first advertized.



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Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 25-January-2008 at 23:57

Just a quick practical note re. 323i - had to do a day trip to Norn Iron for a funeral today and took the 323i.  Mrs D brimmed it last night before I left and I brimmed it again on the way back after 377 miles.  It was a long fast run so was impressed to find the MPG calculated to 35.21mpg. 

This car feels noticably torquier and lively than my 523i with the same engine and it gets a few more mpg.  Obviously the 5 has a slight weight penalty over the 3 but not by that much.  Happy with that.



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: narusa
Date Posted: 26-January-2008 at 08:35
There is 523 e39 1998 for sale,a fella looking about 4000 euro.Southen reg, black leather,steptronic,klimatronic,in general a nice car.If interested i can post few fotos today.

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Powerflex and Eibach suspention products,xenon lights,and fitting.Diesel remaping service.
http://www.perfectcar.ie - www.irlperfectcar.com


Posted By: CGL_E30_325i
Date Posted: 06-February-2008 at 17:36

You know it makes sense:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=912301 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=912301

Sorry - couldn't resist, I know it doesn't meet your requirements in any way(except for being a BMW), but wouldn't it be worth it when you went out and fired it up each morning...

Seriously though, as mentioned above a good 328i sounds like the best bet, as long as you can stretch to the tax and insurance costs.



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'88 325i Sport
'01 330d Sport Touring
'0? Westfield SEiW TDi




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