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Forum Name: BMW 3 Series
Forum Discription: This forum will deal with any issues on the BMW 3 Series (E21, E30, E36, E46, E90, E91 & E92)
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Printed Date: 23-June-2024 at 02:57


Topic: Hello
Posted By: YODI 325
Subject: Hello
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 00:46

Hi Guys,

I just bought a 325 Sport 'G' Reg, couple of things I need to know pls.

Where can I get front and side clear indicators?

What are the first steps in engine modification?

many thanks

Yodi




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Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 09:09
Welcome aboard Yodi.

For your indicators, most aftermarket places (even Halfords ) should be able to sort you out. Also try some of the folk linked from http://www.newtongrove.demon.co.uk/bmw.html - here

Power / engine wise I know of a 325i running Alpina Chip, Schrick 272/272, M30 AFM, FSE PBV which was reckoned to be about the 200/210bhp mark. Sure a good SS exhaust wouldn't hurt either. A few folk on this board reckon an induction kit is a flat out no-no for this car.

HTH,

Duncan

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 09:10

I believe that Euro Car Parts & German & Swedish do clear indicators.

Engine modification? Try a freeflow air filter (either a panel filter which fits into your existing air box or an induction kit which replaces your existing filter housing).
You could also get yourself an uprated exhaust system.
Also consider a custom chip (Im sure others know of good makes) for your ECU.

If you search the forum, you will see that these have been discussed widely before.
K.



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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 09:20
Just further to Webdunk's comment about the induction kit - some of those who say they are a definite no-no would recommend the panel filter.

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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 11:57

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help.

Why are the induction kits a no no??
Also what are the FSE adjustable fuel pressure regulators like on these?

Whats the power on a standard sport?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for all your help. Ive had a couple of bm's but standard. Im an RS boy myself, just building a mk1 escort with a cossie turbo engine in it

Thanks, Yodi



Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 12:01
Induction kits are reported to suffer particularly badly from 'hot air induction' on these cars - effectively sapping power.

IIRC Standard power is 170bhp.

http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/e30.html - Worth a wee read

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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 12:26

Cheers mate,

 

so an induction kit would be ok if we made a protective heatshield for it?

Cheers



Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 12:34
Basically, I have not heard / read any positive feedback for induction kits on the E30 325i.

That said, I run a heatshielded induction kit in my E36 328i and I certainly don't believe I've lost power. IMHO, yes, if you heat-shielded the induction kit I would think you would either maintain the status quo or increase power - it's just my opinion is refuted by the experience of a number of board users.

In short there are probably better things to spend your money on if you're after wringing some more performance out of your 325i...

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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 13:01

Originally posted by Webdunk Webdunk wrote:



In short there are probably better things to spend your money on if you're after wringing some more performance out of your 325i...

 

Which would be ?  adjustable fuel pressure regulator maybe?????



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 13:27

chip firstly email mailto:chips@e30zone.co.uk - chips@e30zone.co.uk to get one.

The FSE boost valve set to standard fuel pressure will not really give you any gains as such but it will make is feel better up the top end, stops it leaning out like the standard one tries to.

Induction kit, i've played around with them for a while, they sound nice and if you shield it properly then if shouldn't give you the hot air problems but they make for rough running from cold, and they change the torque curve of the car quite dramatically, you will find that the power will come much higher up the rev range, this is ok if you like to thrash it all the time but for relaxed cruising and quick mid range acceleration you want to keep the standard airbox and fit a panel filter (k&n etc) make sure you leave the plastic trumpet inside the box as this is how the midrange torque is created.

 



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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 13:57
Have a read of this months Total BMW (Came out today). They have an article on a tuned 325 e30 running about 200BHP which looks both easy to do and reliable.

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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 18:20

Cheers guys,

 

paul whats the guys name for the email address you supplied me above?

Cheers



Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 18:23
Just going back to the induction kit issue, there is a log of info about them on  http://www.bmwe30.net/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=articles&report=sections - BMWE30.net

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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 18:46

Some usefull info there, cheers

 

Basically he says he fitted an air filter with a proper heatchield and it made it better :D



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 10-December-2003 at 23:14
Originally posted by YODI 325 YODI 325 wrote:

Cheers guys,

 

paul whats the guys name for the email address you supplied me above?

Cheers

 

His name is Ant mate, i'm sure ihe will be more than happy to help you, out.  Don't confuse his chips with the ones seen on ebay.



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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 11-December-2003 at 00:13
So its not him that sells the 'evo' chips on ebay?

Cheers, Yodi


Posted By: Madrab
Date Posted: 11-December-2003 at 11:03

Just to add my wee bit to this induction kit issue. I have a Ram air inducton kit and a Blue Peter stylee ally boxed heatshield. I have 2 pipes feeding the box with one directly fitted to the cone filter, it has an inverted cone in the middle of the filter that the RAM pipe fits into. This, as Paul has said, moved the torque power band about 500rpm up the scale but a cam change reversed this move and brought it back down to about the 2800rpm mark, slightly earlier than the standard. This has given me approx 10 - 15bhp. The next option for me will be a 3 piece exhaust manifold and freeflow stainless system and an ECU change, should raise it over the 200bhp mark if properly set up on a rolling road. I also use an FSE Boost Valve set to 3.5bar and it gives a much cleaner initial take off and mid range acceleration and doesn't suffer from the pressure drop that the standard regulator can cause when you floor the pedal though I'm sure that this is enhanced by the CAM as well.

Good to see another MK1 enthusiast M8 

We used to build one offs with the old MK1's. We had an original RS BDA1800, a mad mental RS2000 with No2 and toyed with a 4 wheel drive conversion!!! That was fun I'll tell you!!

Are you going to use the RS500 lump in your MK1 or will it just be the standard cossie? Loads of work to make the car handle 200 - 220BHP if it's a standard chassis!! Even more if it's 450 - 500bhp    best of luck M8.

Rob



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1990 E3o 325i Touring and she's definately a she! Pain in the ass sometimes but goes like a bunny :oD


Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 11-December-2003 at 18:44

Cheers Rob,

My car will have 330-350 bhp, 2wd cossie lump turbod with greens and about 26/27 psi running the t5 borg warner box :)

Im going to fit an air filter next weekend with a heatshield and some cold air feed pipes to it and see how I get on.

 

Cheers, Yodi



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 04:01

Originally posted by YODI 325 YODI 325 wrote:

So its not him that sells the 'evo' chips on ebay?

Cheers, Yodi

 

lol no that is another individual that i will not comment on matey there is always plenty of advice or comments on the quality of Ant's chips on http://www.e30zone.co.uk - www.e30zone.co.uk forum.  I belive quite a few people on this forum have them fitted to, me being one of them.



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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 08:38

Thanks Paul, the #other' guy wouldnt be Jayson would it?

Ill mail Ant this afternoon, Thanks

Yodi



Posted By: Madrab
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 08:48
Originally posted by YODI 325 YODI 325 wrote:

Cheers Rob,

My car will have 330-350 bhp, 2wd cossie lump turbod with greens and about 26/27 psi running the t5 borg warner box :)

Im going to fit an air filter next weekend with a heatshield and some cold air feed pipes to it and see how I get on.

 

Cheers, Yodi

Ooer mate, the highest BHP we had was the RS2000, was overbored to a 2.15 running a 50% NO2 system, it peaked at about 300BHP, but there was extensive work done to the chassis, and backend to deliver that to the wheels through a MT75 square cut box. Could spin the backend in 3rd at 90, that was fun I'll tell you, fairly gave the Porche's a scare, funny seeing a snotty nosed chap in his 911 turbo eat his hat when an L reg MK1 Escort blows his wheels off!!!

beep beep

Take it your going down the 5 link back axle road with slipper springs? Have fun with that one. Well done in getting a MK1 shell that is good enough too!! Not easy to get now.

Hope the Induction kit work is fruitful Yodi

Rob 



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1990 E3o 325i Touring and she's definately a she! Pain in the ass sometimes but goes like a bunny :oD


Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 19:30

Allo again :D

you can see a few pics of my car and other on my site http://www.rsyod.com - www.rsyod.com

I havent added pics for ages as the guy doing my site has vanished

Ill let you know how I egt on with the filter and give an honest opinion.


Cheers, Yodi



Posted By: daddy cool
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 21:54

yodi

  thought i recocnised the name from the rs forums !

  glad to see another rs owner enthusiast on here with a beemer . to change the subject slightly have u been on the passion ford  forums yet ?



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e30 2.7 cab
e30 325i
e30 325 sport
e30 318 touring
e28 m5
e28 m535
e34 m5
e39 540
e36 318ti (green)
e36 318ti (mauve)


Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 12-December-2003 at 22:34

Hi daddy cool

Yes mate im a paid up member of Passion ford, its a good forum. I also use turbosport and moderate the rs owners club too.

Ill put pics up of my car in the next few days

 

Cheers, Yodi



Posted By: dbanbery
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 15:54
that looks proper bo! ive got a lot of time for fords.....

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Posted By: YODI 325
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 16:10
Cheers mate, wait till you see it finished


Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 16:50

Hello Chaps

Just a quick question on the subject of getting more power from a 325i

325i = 170 bhp

525i = 192 bhp

Is the difference just a chip?

If so would a 325i owner just be able to get the 5 series chip from a scrapyard and get 22 bhp for very little money?



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Best Wishes

Nigel



Posted By: den. norton
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 17:40
I think the 525 you mention is the 24 valve engine, not the 12 valve thats fitted in the e30. The e36 uses the 24 valve engine, it has 190 brake horse.   



Den. Norton


Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 17:51

Den

My 12 valve M20 engine is listed as 192 bhp, whereas the same engine in the 3 series is 170 bhp.

There may be more to it, but I've often wondered about the difference, and if it is just something thats plug in, with the amount of E34s in scrapyards, it would be a cheap way to get 22 bhp.



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Best Wishes

Nigel



Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 13-December-2003 at 18:12
Just to clear this one up the E30 and e34 both share the M20 small six engine, but all E30 320's and 325's have a 12 valve head. As for e34's early 520's and 525's had the 12 valve head and 170 bhp and later cars post G/H had the 24 valve 192 bhp engine which was the same engine as the e36 320 and 325 models. Hope this clears this one up, so in other words a chip will not get you 20 extra BHP, but you can always fit a later engine and this will do the job, however with much more work.

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Posted By: falkster
Date Posted: 14-December-2003 at 12:01

Originally posted by Sohlman Sohlman wrote:

Just to clear this one up the E30 and e34 both share the M20 small six engine, but all E30 320's and 325's have a 12 valve head. As for e34's early 520's and 525's had the 12 valve head and 170 bhp and later cars post G/H had the 24 valve 192 bhp engine which was the same engine as the e36 320 and 325 models. Hope this clears this one up, so in other words a chip will not get you 20 extra BHP, but you can always fit a later engine and this will do the job, however with much more work.

So couldnt you just put the 24 valve head on the 325? Ok maybe not that simple but surely would be easier than taking the whole engine out.



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Daimler Double 6 (no idea yet)


Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 14-December-2003 at 21:28
I would not know that one, as it all depends on compression ratio's extra. A good specialist would be able to tell you what is or is not possible

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Posted By: daddy cool
Date Posted: 14-December-2003 at 21:38

it would come down to wether u could time it up correctly or not ! the easy way to find out would be to fone a dealer and ask what the difference is on the pulleys !  if they r the same it should work !!??

  if u can fit the 24 valve timing belt/chain whatever it uses !!



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e30 2.7 cab
e30 325i
e30 325 sport
e30 318 touring
e28 m5
e28 m535
e34 m5
e39 540
e36 318ti (green)
e36 318ti (mauve)



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