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Topic: E39 525i Consumption
Posted By: kbannon
Subject: E39 525i Consumption
Date Posted: 25-February-2011 at 00:03
Given the upward prices for juice these days, coupled with the OBC on her, I'm actually starting to be conscious of mpg these days.
I drove on a motorway a few days ago (~250 miles) and managed 26mpg with cruise control set to about 80mph and no foot down moments.
Surely that's not right?


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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual



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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 25-February-2011 at 08:11

You should get more than that.  I'll check the figures later at home.

My E39 would have got mid thirties on that journey.  Although I did once have the misfortune to put Asda supermarket fuel in the E39 once prior to doing a Motorway journey (200 miles) and I only got low thirties.

Was it decent fuel?  How mechanically 'fit' is the engine?  How fresh is the oil, how clean are the filters?  Does it do motorway mileage much?

Although once you start going much over about 72mph I have found that the consumption got a bit thirstier.



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 25-February-2011 at 08:55
oil etc was all changed when I bought her.
AFAIK it was all the correct grade but I was thinking that a change might be a help.
The engine is in great nick - very responsive, etc.


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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 25-February-2011 at 12:11

Tyre pressures? 

You didn't have a roof rack or a dead body in the boot per chance?



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 25-February-2011 at 15:11
pressures all ok and no bodies for once



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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 26-February-2011 at 18:46

Killian

Are your figures based on the OBC or brimming?

I'm finding that while overall consumption with this ('00) 523i is on a par with the last one, its showing 34.8 on the OBC for the last 10k miles or so but probably just a little over 33 on brimming calculations - similar to the '97.

However, with sustained motorway work, similar to what you have described, I'm probably getting around 31.  This figure is probably a little worse than the old one - with that one it didn't seen to make a huge difference how its was driven.

There are 2 things that I reckon might contribute to the conclusions of that comparison.  Firstly, the '00 has dual vanos whereas the '97 had single.  The extra vanos is on the intake side so it makes some sense that facilitating it breathing easier on the intake side would cause it to use a little more fuel.

The second may be just coincidental but the other variables such as driving speed and style has been fairly constant.  I reset the obc around 10k miles ago following a service in November.  For the first 4k miles following it averaged 34.4.  I changed the wheels/tyres from 235/45/17 to 225/55/16 then and since the consumption has improved to 34.8 (in a little over 6k miles).  It might not appear a significant difference overall but on a fairly large sample of miles pre-change then the improvement post change has to be probably better than an extra 1mpg over the later miles.  I'd expect a difference with a smaller, higher profile and narrower wheel/tyre combo as the extra contact patch of the larger one means extra rolling resistance.

I'd expect the auto box on your car to cost about 2-3mpg over a manual.  Take that from the brimming mpg I see on motorway run's it gives you a figure of around 28 - then the gap to your figure is only around 1-2mpg.  While it might be slightly higher than it ought to be, a difference like that doesn't suggest anything major amiss.

What oil was used at the last change (viscosity)?



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 27-February-2011 at 11:47
My figures are based on the OBC.
As for oil, I'm not sure what grade of gearbox oil they used.


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1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 27-February-2011 at 18:58
First, DON'T use the cruise if you want to save petrol.
Second, the Autobox is taking 5mpg form my experience.

I changed air filter, spark plugs etc on my 528i and that improved mpg a little. But never did a proper service to this one anyway.

I sold the 528i to a friend letting him know that there was a "honking" sound from the split engine breather.
Bought the part but could never be bothered to remove the plenum to fit it. Friend too the time to fit it and reported better mpg!
so check all your vaccum hoses etc. I once took the plastic cover off above the injectors and a few of the thin pipes where just a guey mess.

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 27-February-2011 at 21:15
Really? I thought cruise would have been fine.
I'll know next time.


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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 27-February-2011 at 23:46
Interesting..
I get roughly 26-28 mpg out of my T5 (2.3 turbo) when driving sensibly to try and squeeze the fuel out a bit - which involves keeping the spinny thing from spinning and no sudden downward movements of my right foot

As an afterthought, I usually use cruise control on motorway journeys - especially when there are 50mph speed scameras...


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 28-February-2011 at 08:01
Try getting your autobox serviced, that could ease up consumption.

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Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 28-February-2011 at 20:00
Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Try getting your autobox serviced, that could ease up consumption.


???? what do you want to "service"? and oil chance is all you can do. and according to BMW you shouldn't even do this.

Had the oil changed in my 530i and it made bugger all difference in fuel consumption.

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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 01-March-2011 at 08:09

Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Try getting your autobox serviced, that could ease up consumption.


???? what do you want to "service"? and oil chance is all you can do. and according to BMW you shouldn't even do this.

Had the oil changed in my 530i and it made bugger all difference in fuel consumption.

Getting you autobox serviced means getting your oil changed and filter changed.

Ignore BMWs advice on its sealed for life policy.

After my E60s autobox was serviced I noticed a slight improvement in consumption.



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 01-March-2011 at 09:00
As the car had been lying up for about two years before I got it, all fluids were renewe. I'd have to check but I've now got one of those feelings that the g/b & diff oils weren't BMW spec.

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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: jetsetwilly2000
Date Posted: 01-March-2011 at 10:54
kb, cruise is a mixed blessing.  On the one hand it reduces unnecessary variation on the flat, but on the other it wastes energy decelerating and accelerating on hills, when a more efficient strategy would be to let the car speed up downhill and slow down uphill.

Having said that, I've tried several times to 'beat the cruise', and it always wins for mpg.  Maybe I'm just rubbish! 


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Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 03-March-2011 at 22:12
Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Really? I thought cruise would have been fine.I'll know next time.

I don't have a 528i but I do have a 728i - 2001 with the double vanos. I don't believe the tale about the cruise not saving fuel. Unlkess its on a diesel car which I am told is is different. If you drive as smooth as you can without the cruise, you will be hard pushed to match the economy obtained by cruise. I drove back from East Germany recently on cruise whenever possible with a full boot and two passengers at around 80 mph and returned 34.5 mpg.
On the way out, driving the same route with the same load, though not as quickly (around 65 to 75) without cruise, I averaged 28.5. My car has done well over 130K miles and performs faultlessly, apart from a propensity to break front springs (4 Chinese? ones to date in 2 years)

Living at the top of a hill,(300 metres) its all uphill on the way home, but the car still does all round about 22 urban, 28 out of town, and 26.5 overall. I would expect the 5 series to do a bit more as it weighs less.
All figures are from the OBC.

I swear by the cruise to such an extent that I had one retrofitted to my 1988 635csi. This usually does about 32 to 33 on a run using cruise - again, according to the OBC.

Typo is reason for edit

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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 04-March-2011 at 08:31

I would agree with Howard.

My E39 got the best economy, 39.6 mpg with the cruise set at 72mph from Glasgow Airport to Perth.  Dropping to 50mph on the cruise when speed limits dictated thru Glasgow city centre M8.

My E60 returned it's best ever mpg of 36.6 with the cruise set at 60mph from Inverness to Perth.  I might have got more once but I didn't take a picture of it to remind me (yeah I know I'm sad)

I would have never got either if I had used my right foot, IMO.



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 04-March-2011 at 11:39

My E39 530i would get 35mpg at 70mph on the cruise control and about 32 at 80 mph.

I also don't have a problem with cruise control from an economy perspective.

Have you had your fault codes read recently?



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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 04-March-2011 at 12:37
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

My E39 530i would get 35mpg at 70mph on the cruise control and about 32 at 80 mph.

It is indeed noticeable once you start going over 70mph figures start to head south, wind resistance etc all gets worse the faster you go.

Can you try the same journey at 70mph K and see how you get on?

Still wouldn't think that you would get as low as 26 ish at 80mph even in an auto.

Sorry, I haven't found the figures for you yet.



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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 04-March-2011 at 17:18

Economy figures for you.

525i Auto urban 19.6mpg extra urban 36.2mpg Combined 27.4mpg

 



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 04-March-2011 at 22:32
Cheers.
My figures are below for them all, especially the extra urbans.



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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 07-March-2011 at 08:18

I was having another think about this.

You know the fuel in America has a lower octane rating that we have here or something similar, as they always mention that power is less on cars when run on limpwristed American fuel.

As yours is a Japanese import is it designed to run on a different grade of fuel? 

If you are using ordinary 95 octane unleaded might you get lower mpg if the engine was meant to be running on higher octane stuff and the engine can't adjust itself for a reason unknown to me and gives you lower mpg?



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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 07-March-2011 at 10:10
Surely the engine would automatically adjust itself but its worth checking.
Ta.


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1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 15-March-2011 at 09:19
is your OBC set to US mpg or UK mpg?
If US that would explain your low figures

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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 15-March-2011 at 09:43
Good question - I'm not sure where I can set US or real mpg but the language setup could well be US. I'll check in a while.

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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 17-March-2011 at 22:03
OK - did the calcs.
Its on US mpg. 26mpg is actually 31mpg so its not as bad as I had thought.
Phew.
Thanks.


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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 18-March-2011 at 08:13

31mpg would be o.k. at that speed.

Nowt wrong with it.



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 18-March-2011 at 12:02

Killian,

next time, rather than relying on the OBC to tell you your mpg. Work it out the old fasioned way first

Ever heard the saying:

To err is human but to completely f**k something up requires a computer.



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Posted By: 540 V8
Date Posted: 20-March-2011 at 00:00
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Killian,

next time, rather than relying on the OBC to tell you your mpg. Work it out the old fasioned way first

Ever heard the saying:

To err is human but to completely f**k something up requires a computer.

Lol!



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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 24-March-2011 at 08:31
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

To err is human but to completely f**k something up requires a computer.

Nah, a person will do just as good a job as a computer to f**k something up.  You obviously haven't worked with some of my colleagues!



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Posted By: braklin
Date Posted: 05-April-2011 at 11:49
I've turned twenty & have had a reasonable insurance quote on a 540i (which ought to wipe the smugness from the Audi owners faces). My only concern is fuel consumption. I currently get an average of 23.5 mpg from the 525i which I think is reasonable thinking about my right foot is made of lead occasionally.

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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 05-April-2011 at 16:29
Don't expect to get much over 15 mpg from a 540 in that case

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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 01:46

My OBC says I average 34.8 with the 2.8.

The best I've ever obtained was 39.2 on a run to essex.

 



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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 08:17
Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

My OBC says I average 34.8 with the 2.8.

The best I've ever obtained was 39.2 on a run to essex.

 

That's very good Nigel.  My E39 with the 2.5 (auto) would only average somewhere between 29 and 31 from memory with 39.something recorded on a run (using VPower) from Glasgow Airport to Perth. 



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 10:15
That's because Nigel is an old man and drives everywhere at 35 mph

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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 11:19

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

That's because Nigel is an old man and drives everywhere at 35 mph

Ah, thanks for clearing that one up Peter.



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 11:39
Your welcome

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 22-April-2011 at 23:08
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

That's because Nigel is an old man and drives everywhere at 35 mph
In fairness, that's a bit unfair - Nigel would never drive that fast!


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Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 23-April-2011 at 09:29
Well if he goes too fast the draft might blow his trilby off and cause the worthers original to fall out of his glove box

 

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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 23:12

It's more likely that I'm almost always on the "extra urban" side of things.

I rarely use it around town, my wife and daughter both have the smart for two city cars now, the wifes being the soft top, and they are so much fun to drive around town I usually nick one of those.



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Nigel




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