Does anyone know what the performance figures are for a 1991 E34 535i sport ? Im interested to know 0-60,50-70,top speed etc,etc. Also how much bhp and torque ?

Cheers

Same as stock iirc the only difference in the sport is the suspension and interior bits (other than a sports package) theres a bit of confusion over most websites to the actual HP some say its 211 some say its 218 and i have even seen some places state 221 although if you want to be honest i would go with the low figure anything more is a bonus.

I dont have the owners handbook avail at present i will check it in the morning and state what it says in there.

Russ

Thats a bit suprising as the person i bought the car off last year told me it had an M-tech power upgrade and was producing around 230bhp. The reason i have asked the question is because i have recently put my car up against some of my mates subarus all being impreza turbo 2000's apart from one RB5 and i can beat all of them to 100mph from a rolling start of approx 10-20mph. Obviously i couldnt compete from a standing start as the impreza is 4wd.  I really want to know what power im producing now as i must have more than standard to be playing with impreza's!!!!! Has anyone heard of an M-tech power upgrade ?

Cheers

I have looked into many upgrades for power and the only real useful one is the remapped ecu chip these are done by people like AC Schnitzer, Alpina, Dinan, EAT etc.

As far as i know there is no such thing as an M-Tech power upgrade because the guys at BMW Motorsport made the M5 for that very reason its running either a 3.6 or 3.8 litre engine which could be whats installed in your car but I wouldnt expect this to be the case as its more than just the suspension you would have to have changed to accomodate the engine/gearbox. All the linkage, front and back along with ECU and wiring as well as many other aspects and you would be able to tell this by the big M Power on the engine.

The best way to check what the bhp and torque are would be to go to a rolling road station and have it tested over an average of 3 runs, this will then tell you exactly what the power is.

One other thing to note is that its only the US models that are limited all other country models are the same spec be they 535i/535i SE/535i Sport. Another thing to note is that the driver of the car is a big factor, If you are half way decent you can beat most other cars that seem they should be better. The only way to test is to drive all the cars in question that gives an even idea based on same skill level of driving.

Here are the details from the owners handbook for the 535i

Displacement: 3430

Cylinders: 6

Max output: 155 kW/211 bhp @1/min 5700

Max torque: 305 Nm/225 lb.ft @ 1/min 4000

Compression ratio: 9.0:1

Weight unladen: 1525 kg/3362 lb Manual 1545 kg/3406 lb Auto

Top speed: 146 mph Manual 144 mph Auto

0-31 mph = 2.5s

0-50 mph = 5.3s

0-62 mph = 7.7s manual 8.8s Auto

0-75 mph = 10.9s

50-70 mph 8.9s

standing start kilometre 28.5 Manual 29.4 Auto

Theres loads of other figures but they dont seem relevant for what you wanted to know. As much as these are from BMW they are not definitive and as such different air filters (K&N or other), Tyres and conditions can change these up or down.

hope that helps

Russ

The classic shape impreza(uk spec) doesnt do 0-60 in under 6 seconds although im unsure of the exact figure ive seen most do timed runs of around 6.2-6.8 seconds. My girlfriends dad has an import impreza wrx with 275bhp and that does regular timed runs of 5.8 0-60.

Im going to get my car rolling roaded as i now want to know exactly what power ive got.

Just as an extra point my mate has a 1990 535i sport(standard) in excellent condition and when we put both mine and his car against each other mine accelerates away from him quite easily !! The only modification on my engine is a drilled air-box.

Mine just seems alot quicker than all the other ones around and i dont really know why,not that im complaining

I was checking out figures for a manual 528i I was was toying with getting there last week. Autocar got one to 60 in 6.8 sec back in the day, which you'll all agree is pretty impressive. Now they got a standard 97 Scooby Turbo to 60 in 5.8 sec (they were around 204bhp back then), but the 0-100 time was 18.8 seconds. They 528i continued on to post a 0-100 of 18 sec dead, only 1/10th sec slower than what was obtained in an Escort Cosworth!

These are particularly good times, but even EVO got a 7.3 to 60 & 18.8 to 100 in a manual 528i around the same time, so you can see that whilst the 4wd confers a huge advantage off the line over the rwd(at what cost to transmissions?) once you get running at bigger speeds the gearing, power characteristics they are matched to, and aerodynamics of the car have a bigger and bigger contribution. The 528i managed to regain the 1.5sec lost to the Scooby in EVOs figures; in Autocars it not only regained the second lost to 60, but added another 0.8!

In my honest opinion, it goes to show the irrelevance of some of these figures. Alot of the figures are down purely to testers skill, or lack of mechanical sympathy. The 30-70 & 50-70 in 5th gives a good idea of speed without traction issues, & ease of driving respectively. That's why a buddies well driven 90bhp Golf TDI will require a nice bit of effort by me in my E34 24v 525i to keep with on give & take 2nd gear / top of 3rd gear roads.. I'll keep with him, but he won't be too far off my pace unless I use the last 750rpm and am heel / toeing at 5 grand into tight 2nd gear corners to get the bang out of em that he takes for granted with the diesel. Still, I'm having alot more craic!

PS Before I get lynched for spurious figures, I'm taking those from memory of comparative checking over a week ago - I'm pretty confident they're accurate, but must confirm them tonight, so don't take em as gospel just yet! 

(and remember the figures are for the original 204bhp Scooby, not the later 220bhp or any of the many many derivatives)

To be honest TJ, you are right about performance figues being fairly irrelevant. When all is said and done so much of it is down to the skill of the driver.

TJ: You have made exactly the point i was after. What i was getting at was that even though the subaru impreza's 0-60 time is quicker than the 535i's,once you get rolling they seem to have lost the advantage that 4wd gives them.

Im now interested in 0-100 times for E34 535i sport,subaru impreza turbo and wrx,escort cosworth and bmw 540i. Anyone got any info on this ?

I still think that a standard impreza will be quicker to 100 than a standard 535 sport. According to EVO magazine the impreza will do 0-60 in 5.4 s and 0-100 in 14.6 and top out at 144mph. BHP per ton is 177. The impreza will have a traction advantage due to 4wd but don't forget until the turbo spools up it is in effect a detuned 2 litre so generally speaking naturally aspirated cars are quicker of the mark than turbo cars.

I have just purchased a new ecu chip from germany (one of the msport companies out there) which although the changes it says is not great it does have the advantage of de-limiting the engine to get what the germans call Vmax or terminal velocity aka as fast as the engine will go not just what the manufacturers want the car to go (only about another 10-20 mph if that.

It adds about 16-20hp to the current 211 pushing it to 227-231 bhp it also adds about 20-25 Nm Torque which is what im after more than the extra bhp, it is also meant to smoothen up the range to make it more response lower down the revs (all though i dont really notice this issue) the figures above are based on 4000 rpm so taking it up to its new rev limit of 6500 would probably push more than the stated figures. Due to having an auto box im sceptical as to whether it would affect performance but i am looking out for a gearbox chip at present so ill try the engine one first if theres any issues ill take it out til i can get a matched gearbox chip to compliment the new power.

Im away for 3 weeks from tomorrow so i will book the car in to the local rolling road station when i get back and let you know the figures, if its not at least what the stated amounts are meant to be or unless i see a dramatic improvement i will probably remove the chip as theres not much point having it in there.

I will keep you all posted though (535i owners that is) and lets hope i can squeeze a little more juice out of it.

Russ

jetsetwilly2000 wrote: Sohlman, where can you get all these lovely bits to make your M30 fly? Haven't seen any about... Being a bit more mundane, I'd like to fit a hotwire (eg M5) MAF instead of the horrid barndoor effort that ruins my performance and light-throttle smoothness - anyone know if they can be swapped?

The information i have obtained on tuning a M30 is from Fritzs Bits in Somerset. Please have a look at there web site on : - http://www.fritzsbits.co.uk/ - http://www.fritzsbits.co.uk/

Also if you look at the ALPINA and HARTGE conversions, some of these adjustments are made in order to achieve there performance gains.  But do remember that a tuned car will be less driveable on the road.

I owned a 1988 ALPINA b10 3.5, which was based on the e34 535is, the straight six.

The power was 262bhp, not sure on the torque but the 0-60mph was 6.3 secs and I had it off the clock at 265kmh (165mph) 5700rpm. This was uphill and the car was still pulling, my pants wew beggining to fill so i eased off!

Mine seems to definately open up over 4k revs,below that it doesnt do much. I have a performance air filter and when the revs get around 4k it really growls and it starts to fly then!

ok ladies

 not to seem offish about this topic BUT 

1- there is no way in this WORLD a 535i will keep up with a scooby turbo to anywhere near 100 mph  nor an escos

2-people often go on about how fast their cars are and never really back up their claims

3- a 528i is a SLOW luxury cruiser , it was never meant to be a quick car and it never will be , let alone get anywhere near the sports saloons or hatches mentioned in earlier posts !

4- big respect to the guys with the 3.5 lumps in their 3 series , they will be quick simply because of the power to weight ratio

 IF i can be proved wrong on any of the above comments "I WILL EAT MY LAPTOP" , dont post up magazine articles to try and prove me wrong just take the suposedly "quick" cars to a run what ya brung day and show the timing slip !!

 please dont take this post as a diss to anyones cars ! take it as a personal reference from someone that has owned all of the above mentioned vehicles including -

1995 scooby turbo

1999 scooby wrx sti

1993 escos (standard at 1st)

1989 535i sport

a modded e28 m535i and my standard m535i that i still have

 IF any1 wants to organise a trip to a run wot ya brung day at the pod or north weald i will be the 1st person  on the line to cheer and clap the 1st person that beats a scooby up the quarter (whilst chewing on my laptop)

Dady Cool,

While I agree with most of what you say, I don't agree that the 528 is a slow car. Ok so it may not be in the same league as the Impretza and the EVO, it still has 193bhp, it will still do 140+mph and 0 - 60 in less than 8 seconds. It can also be turned into a much quicker car with the addition of a turbo or a super charger. The conversions out there give about 280bhp which puts it in the same league as a 540, which is definately a fast car.

Just because the 5 series is not a rally developed road weapon doesn't mean that it isn't still a fast good handling drivers car, after all evo magazine rated the E39 very highly and if it wasn't such a good car in the first place the M5 wouldn't be half the car it is. 

oh dont get me wrong !! im sure its still a fast car !!! i just wouldnt put it in the same category as the above mentioned cars !!!

 if the discussion was about brisk luxury cruisers i would'v put it up there with the big engined best  . but this started as a question of performance !!

 and even tho as you say a 528  will hit 60 in les than 8 seconds (which is very respectable) ! the other cars do it in 2 seconds less which in quarter mile times is long enough to wind down the window and turn the radio on .

Well,ive got a standard 535i sport and my my mates got a standard subaru impreza turbo 2000. 0-60 the impreza wins everytime but thats about it,once it gets going theres nothing in it between my bmw and his car. A standard impreza turbo 2000 is 215bhp which is only 4bhp more than a 535i,take in to account the transmission loss from the 4wd and the impreza will be putting less power out at the wheels.

tbh

 thats only gna be down to the driver !

 its only the older uk scooby's that had just over the 200 bhp mark tho chap !

 you'll find most of the scoobs are between 250-310 bhp and have body panels made out of lightweight materials . the STI i had was able to hold its own against a friends gt2 up untill 130mph (then he went by by)but i can never get anywhere near him in my e28

 as i said before tho , dont get me wrong im not saying anybody,s car is slow im just saying on the road i think its bna be down to the drivers ability to squeeze every ounce of power from whatever car they're driving and on a quarter mile run sadly our bee,ems dont get a look in  

Does anyone know how the E28 535 compares with the E34? It's lighter and more powerful but of course much less aerodynamic... Suppose it depends on what gearbox you've got?

P.S. My mate's S2000 is definitely faster!

Cataha,

Nice car. I love those alloys.

Hi All,

Just been reading all of the posts above, quite cool cars really.

Ive just bought a Venom 2 chip off ebay for my 535i sport, but not sure exactly how to fit it? Ive had a look under the bonnet and in the fuse box, where appears to be the ecu system, but not sure where to go from here???? Am I being a biff??? Can anyone help??

Cheers

Stan

535i sport wrote: Go here http://www.homeofsbc.com/Chip_Tuning_1/chip_tuning_1.html - http://www.homeofsbc.com/Chip_Tuning_1/chip_tuning_1.html and it shows you exactly what to do. I havent fitted my chip as im still waiting for it to be delivered. Ive been waiting about a month now . Did you buy your chip off a guy called Jayson from a company called chippeduk ?

Yes mate I did, got it in 2 days or so.

Also looked at the link, but mine seems a bit different to that. I'll try to take a pic tomorrow, and see what you think?

Stan

b8alk wrote: hi again i said in a recent post that i beat a scooby from 80 to 120 in a 535i sport e34 i must say i now beleive he/she must of had the floor mat rolled up under the pedal as my neighbour as just brought a wrx and the nice chap has just let me have a play i now feel that in order for a 535 e28 or e34 to beat one at any speed the scooby would have to be towing a caravan with its hand brake on (sorry) but this thing was light and very responsive my bm goes from a bout 3000rpm this scooby just goes!

 AROTFPMSL

B8alk wrote:

he/she must of had the floor mat rolled up under the pedal.

Either that or they just didn't want to race at high speeds on the public roads. I have regularly raced other cars up to 70/80mph then just let them go as I don't want to loose my license. My mate used to do it all the time, 'wind them up then watch them go' he used to say.

Mr cool, or an I call you daddy, 

What does AROTFPMSL mean, or would Nigel not approve?

Also, anyone who is interested in a nice 535 sport, there is one on the autotrader website at the moment. 91H with 67K, 1 owner, FBMWSH, silver leather, Manual box, LSD, aircon etc etc. Described as absolutely mint. The only downside is that it is up for £4995.

I'm a bit surprised with the fairly slow 0-60 times for this car (7.5-9.0(auto)) given that its has over 210 bhp and massives of torque, however don't be fooled by 0-60 times as there boy racer pub talk and do not give a very good indication of the overall power band of a car!

The 535 is a heavy car weighing in at around 1600kg, thats a lot of metal to shift from a stationary state. But when this car is engaged in kickdown at say 50mph there isn't much (except for big v8's  - but certainly not bog standard Scoobies) that will propel you foward to over 100mph with an explosion of pure rocket like power.

I'd have a guess that a 535 autos' 50-90mph sprint in kickdown will be faster than an Imprezza.

rickyv8efi wrote:   I'd have a guess that a 535 autos' 50-90mph sprint in kickdown will be faster than an Imprezza.

NOT A HOPE THE IMPREZZA WOULD RIP IT A PART.

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I have to agree.

My RS Turbo killed them from a rolling start.

mind you, my e30 cab would do the pair of them from standing, rolling or even if i had flat tyres

my rs turbo was a genuine 300hp zetec conversion so yes, it would leather an imprezza from a rolling start and did so at brunters a few years back.

i dont mess about with power and claims mate.

chippeduk wrote: my rs turbo was a genuine 300hp zetec conversion so yes, it would leather an imprezza from a rolling start and did so at brunters a few years back.   i dont mess about with power and claims mate.

But you thew 20 grand at that! Some might say not a wise move, but i'm sure if somebody took 20 grand to an impreza it would wipe the floor with any RSt.

yes, you have a point.

it was stupidly quick but a total waste, it drove terribly feeling all the bumps etc etc.

and i sold it for peanuts too :(

b8alk wrote: Lads please come on a215bhp impreza will hit 60mph in 5.9 secs and a 265bhp wrx prodrive will do it in 5.2.And as for your rst oh dear wake up PLEASE

As i said at the start of this thread somewhere mate im not talking about 0-60 times im talking about a rolling start from around 10-15mph !

paul325i wrote: [QUOTE=chippeduk] my rs turbo was a genuine 300hp zetec conversion so yes, it would leather an imprezza from a rolling start and did so at brunters a few years back.   i dont mess about with power and claims mate. [/QUOTE    But you thew 20 grand at that! Some might say not a wise move, but i'm sure if somebody took 20 grand to an impreza it would wipe the floor with any RSt.

300BHP running though the front wheels what a waste of time,money,and effort.Would love to see a print out of that from a dyno

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535i sport wrote: b8alk wrote: Lads please come on a215bhp impreza will hit 60mph in 5.9 secs and a 265bhp wrx prodrive will do it in 5.2.And as for your rst oh dear wake up PLEASE As i said at the start of this thread somewhere mate im not talking about 0-60 times im talking about a rolling start from around 10-15mph !

NOT A HOPE......

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Hang on a bit ,those UK IMPREZZAs are quite quick but not that stunning , but I also doubt that a 535 sport or other would touch it. I've had a few good motors in the past & one was a 635i manual, horrible overated car apart from the "M" that is, they would lose all ways round but .I've absolutley trounced a scoobie up a steep hill & the best bit was he missed a change down (I presume) at about 85mph & it was like something had catapaulted backwards, I was in my old Twin turbo 3.6 Jaguar 320bhp Auto it used to spank them all day long up hill ,down hill etc lovely turbo's just keep on spooling in an Auto so you dont lose the thrust on gear changes9Or miss them)as it changes at  full throttle& the other baby which I still deeply regret having to let go was  a Maserati 350bhp twin turbo manual , Oh boy most of the ricers would try but scoobies never ever came close ,my freind had a nice scooby & admittadly on a twisty road he was good but the Masser's are'nt at all bad in the handling & steering Dept either surprised him when he used to cahse me & especially when he drove it ,he had to admit there was no comparison .at ALL. On a good straight road yes the good 300ZX or skyline would be there but so would the Masser & always more to spare , the beauty of the Massers engine was that it pulled away at the very low revs (1600-1800 upwards) like a 4-5.0 car & then at 1800 through to 6500rpm the turbo's just made you think you were at alton towers, nah forget scoobies go & get yourself a test drive in a Maserati & save up ,keep it until your pockets are bare(Diito) & cry when you sell it , but at least you enjoyed haveing your pockets emptied as fast as you could earn it Ha Ha HA

Maserati! if you are talking about the old Ghibli cups and bi turbos you'd need to have deep pockets to run a car like that. They did a buying guide in EVO magazine and some of the costs were horrendous, not to mention some of the potential problems.

The advantage that the Japanese cars have is the protential for tuning. Sure a standard Skyline will not keep up with the Maserati, but throw enough cash at it and it will wipe the floor with anything. Sklines can been tuned to over 1000bhp as can Toyota Supras. In fact when Toyota designed the engine in the Supra the block was built to handle 600bhp.  

Hi, new member here, I recognise some of the “faces” on the board here because I am a member of the e30 zone, just sold on my 325 and bought a manual 535 Sport….

So im obviously interested in the post here, it would have been one of the first things I would have asked anyway..

I do love discussions on performance figures, especially “when rolling”…be it 10, 20 or 100 MPH!

Can I add my tuppence to the debate please?!

Im more interested in Fast bikes than cars, my first love being a tweaked Hayabusa, so  im averse to bull&hit and “my cars faster than yours” syndrome.

But I do appreciate a smart motor; ive also owned a few nice cars, including a 2WD Saph cossie and an Imprezza(UK) Turbo.

I haven’t picked up my 535 yet, but had a good test drive last Saturday; it didn’t feel as quick as my (standard) UK Turbo by some margin, off the mark or “rolling”

 However, remembering how much the Imprezza struggled to gain speed past an indicated 130 I wouldn’t be surprised if a sport started to gain or match an  Imprezza (given a couple a miles of un-restricted  road).

A STi or similar, would with out doubt, kill a 535 everywhere, for a car they have quite ferocious acceleration.

Anyway, I think all the “tweaked “ up Imprezza boys really want an M3 anyway, quality and performance! !

So, I hope to pick up my 535 this Saturday (car had a private plate on it, awaiting the “new” log book to come thru)

It’s a real minter, done 60K on a “H” plate, full BMW service history, flawless, 2 owners, only used in the summer

The car sat in a heated garage covered in blankets and this particular guy takes the wheels off to clean them and the arches, he even polishes the under seal…

He wanted 4.5K for it, paid him just over 3, maybe OTT but I thought it was worth it.

Hope to see a few of you on some meets in the future

......and i want my car chipped,MrChipped UK...+20brake isnt it?

Cheers

 Bryan

chippeduk wrote: with some people it is not worth arguing as they just domt want to believe.

so dont argue put up a dyno print out of this 1.6 escort pushing out 300bhp...

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i never said it was a 1.6

it was the original 2.1Zetec/CVH hybrid as tested by the first edition of redline magazine and fast ford magazine.

it is a well known car mate.

chippeduk wrote: i never said it was a 1.6 it was the original 2.1Zetec/CVH hybrid as tested by the first edition of redline magazine and fast ford magazine. it is a well known car mate.

print out?????????????should be easy for you to present one if its that well known..

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i`ll keep you hanging on as i can see this is really bothering you.

my new e30 convertible is 358hp, need a print out for that too ?

chippeduk wrote: now there is the true answer !

And whats that meant to mean?

Ihave read nout that backs up your claim of a 300bhp rts or that a 535i will out perform an impreza

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i never said a 535i will outperform an imprezza.

just like i never said my rst was a 1.6.

you need to take a deep breath and read the thread properly.

what i will say is that the 535 will yield 23hp from chipping ans that is it a solid, reliable car.

i do have a little experiance when it comes to quick cars.

ive owned a few.

this is the baby.

STILL NO PRINT OUT THEN,and i said built out of a 1.6. please read below AGAIN.

wrong, its a simple thing to ask for if a guy puts up a post saying that he has built a 300bhp front wheel drive escort out of a 1.6, after all this is a car interest site.But if you can not back up your claim do not worry .

PMSL YDT

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The problem we have here is that if i were to post a rolling road printout you would say it was a lie.

I couldnt argue with you as it could well be a printout from one of my other cars so what i will do is take a copy of the mag article.

Basically there was a company called seven valley motorsport who said the same as you so we took the car for indipendant testing at power engineering and bruntingthorpe testing ground.

Of course we proved our point nicely.

chippeduk wrote: The problem we have here is that if i were to post a rolling road printout you would say it was a lie. I couldnt argue with you as it could well be a printout from one of my other cars so what i will do is take a copy of the mag article. Basically there was a company called seven valley motorsport who said the same as you so we took the car for indipendant testing at power engineering and bruntingthorpe testing ground. Of course we proved our point nicely.

On a rolling road print out it will have the make and type of car tested inc cc,so i will not think its a lie.

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How many rolling roads use that method ?

here is one of my e30 with 2.7 engine giving mailto:196@wheels - 196@wheels .

This is all very interesting but my Fireblade was only ever beaten by an R1 and i've seen an indicated 170 on the motorway, naughty i know but with Skylines and Prezza's snapping at my heels it had to be done

chippeduk im not being funny m8 but that could be anything ,it does not say what motor its from nor does it say its at the wheels infact it dont say anything apart from mailto:196@5638rpm,you - 196 at5638rpm,if you `ve had your rst escort up to 300bhp good on yer

but this is going nowhere and ive had enough now.

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chippeduk wrote: i`ll keep you hanging on as i can see this is really bothering you.   my new e30 convertible is 358hp, need a print out for that too ?

I'd like to see one.

Just for the record this is what a pucker rolling rd print is like.and as you can see it states model/make/cc and lots more onfo .that what you have posted means jack.

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no, thats not a "proper" rolling road printout.

thats a printout of a test done by the place you go to.

Plenty of places dont put the car details on.

i know, ive been to loads.

chippeduk wrote: no, thats not a "proper" rolling road printout. thats a printout of a test done by the place you go to.     i know, ive been to loads.

eh??

no dont bother

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you posting the one for your M3 engine then?

I do actually want to see it.

I`ll keep people waiting for a while.

Its nice when they always seem to think the claims are wrong.

Just like everyone who disbelieved the 2.7 results even though 30 people were there at the time.

I will be attending the next rolling road shootout with the cab to again prove a point ;)

I've been following this thread for a bit now - Jaynee some of ye are like terriers going after documented proof of this 300+bhp Escort! Sure why would the guy lie, and if he did, so what? You'll get big power out of any engine - it's all a compromise between outright power, driveability and longivity.

An extreme example I know, but the 1.5 turbo F1 cars put out over 1,000bhp in race trim and 1,300bhp+ in qualifying (coining the term 'grenade engines'). Because of the revs involved and the limitations with firing and valve spring technology at the time, standard 4 stroke engine cycles went a bit out the window and they were having crazy things like partial combustion during exhaust strokes etc etc.

Honda were obtaining 160bhp out of their normally aspirated 1.6 V-tec road engines in 1988, whilst satifying all economy and reliability goals they set. So to summarise I believe you, Chippeduk; it's not like people haven't got 300bhp out of a 1.6 before. Whether 300bhp through the front wheels of a mid '80's Escort is actually a truly enjoyable and dynamically balanced experience over varied fast road driving conditions is another thing, but I bet it's a good laugh if nowt else! All you need now is to graft RWD onto it somehow - oh yeah, ya have a 370bhp E30 so why bother!

T.J. wrote: I've been following this thread for a bit now - Jaynee some of ye are like terriers going after documented proof of this 300+bhp Escort! Sure why would the guy lie, and if he did, so what?

Im with TJ, touch agressive at times some of these posts...

Am I right in thinking theres a number of nigh on(claimed) 300BHP RST's kicking about, I dont think its ground breaking.....

ill accept I could be wrong though!

As for dyno printouts, they can all very in appearence and the information given on them, even by the same dyno shop

All my bike graphs have the minimum of info on them, the last one I had done read "Bryan GSX13" as a footnote...the one previous to that had all the info on it, same dyno shop too..

there are loads of them nowadays.

i would say at least 20 around at the mo.

300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art.

Talking about spending lots a money on performance, my previous car was a Rover coupe turbo and was 197bhp as std.

The same engine was dropped in a Maestro but tuned to 418bhp with well over 300 lbs of torque!!  I think now the figure is higher.

Mencal!!

I remember reading an article in Fast car magazine several years ago about tuned escort RSTs. In fact I'm sure the one chipped UK showed in the pic was featured. They were trying to find the fastest RST in the country and all the big Ford tuners were there.

thats the feature,

i came top.

the only one where i lost a section point was top speed and that was by jason cull who had a 1.8 ZVH which i had also built.

mine did 154gps and his did 156gps proven.

Yes, I remember the 156mph top speed.

156 in a mk4 escort. Now thats got to be scary!

I also remember that the cars with the highest top end weren't the fastest to 60mph.

no, i got 7.1 0-60 on that day, jason got 7.2 (ish)

the quickest too 60 was a race car that just broke 7 seconds although he broke hid driveshaft in half on the second run and that was the end of that.

to be honest, none of the times were spectacular and the conditions were almost perfect.

we did a standing start where i races a scooby which was modded and it whooped me then from a rolling start and i whooped it (from 30mph over half mile)

jason ran against a rally prepped imprezza and destroyed it around brunters but he was up against a novice but jason is an established cart driver. 

Still nice looking cars in unabused form, i had a MK2 RST myself...

Id feel a prat driving one now though...Not a "grown ups" car..300BHP+ or not..

Like i said earlier, to be truthfull it was a piece if crap, it didnt drive nice and the torque stear was horrid.

mind you, it was made in france so what do you expect

paul325i wrote: 300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art.

HI paul i never said i was doubting the guys honesty i would of just liked to have seen a rolling rd graft of it ,just like you have asked for regarding his bmw,after all this is a car enthusiast site is it not.

I did feel however the guys reply,ie (i like to keep everyone hanging on ect) was maybe a bit odd.

I even belive i said in one of the threads if he had a 300bhp rst good on him.

Still think that much power going through the front wheels is a waste though..

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b8alk wrote: paul325i wrote: 300bhp is easy to get from a tubo'd zetec, not sure why everybody has doubted it, you just need to throw cash in the right places, it's not an art like tuning a big V8, thats an art. HI paul i never said i was doubting the guys honesty i would of just liked to have seen a rolling rd graft of it ,just like you have asked for regarding his bmw,after all this is a car enthusiast site is it not. I did feel however the guys reply,ie (i like to keep everyone hanging on ect) was maybe a bit odd. I even belive i said in one of the threads if he had a 300bhp rst good on him. Still think that much power going through the front wheels is a waste though..

Yeah if i had 358bhp from an N/A m3 engine i'd want to prove it.

And you're right, car enthusiast site so we should be able to quiz people

i`m always up for that but the fact is, your word spreads like wild fire so me posting a rolling road run (i dont actually have one on print) would be pointless as it could of been copied from the net using a different car.

What will happen is that at the next rolling road day in february attended by the e30zone members i will put the car on the rollers and come top (hopefully)

Just like last time, and the time before.

If i remember rightly, even the m3`s were left trailing.

Mind you, i read the emails going round afterwards saying i most likely bribed the rolling road operator to give me a higher reading even though 30 of your own forums members were present ;)

Makes me chuckle.

chippeduk wrote: i`m always up for that but the fact is, your word spreads like wild fire so me posting a rolling road run (i dont actually have one on print) would be pointless as it could of been copied from the net using a different car. What will happen is that at the next rolling road day in february attended by the e30zone members i will put the car on the rollers and come top (hopefully) Just like last time, and the time before. If i remember rightly, even the m3`s were left trailing. Mind you, i read the emails going round afterwards saying i most likely bribed the rolling road operator to give me a higher reading even though 30 of your own forums members were present ;) Makes me chuckle.

I never heard about the bribing, tsk tsk that would have been naughty indeed, as would running it on a super high octane fuel and timing accordingly.

To be fair on the M3s they were stock or lightly modded weren't they? E30 M3 is not renowned for its massive power outputs in stock form, especially against a highly modded 2.7 litre straight six!

You had a rolling road session but didn't take the print out! Some might look back and think "darn i wish i'd taken that print out"

no, i did take the printout, i showed it on your forum.

as for fueling, i only tols sal about that so now i know the leak