Reg Plates
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Printed Date: 03-May-2024 at 08:48
Topic: Reg Plates
Posted By: BM Fan
Subject: Reg Plates
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 13:02
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Does anyone out there know what the standards are for Euro Reg plates. I was read the riot act by one of our superb traffic core yesterday morning whil sitting in traffic on the East wall road. My plates are Euro style, big legible letters, however they are very slightly italic and have a silver shadow to match the car colour (silver 01 520). They were on it when I bought it. I am not mad on them but she lokes them and she drives it most of the time so doesn't bother me. Anyway I was accused of purchasing the plates to deliberstely evade speed camera detection and told that if he saw them again on the car I would be fined €1270 per plate (€2540 in total). Has anyone else had similar problems or details. Glad to see that the traffic core are applying themselves to road safety...... sorry tax collection! Plate picture @ www.maxem.ie/plate.jpg Regards Martin ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln 
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 13:14
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http://www.revenue.ie/pdf/carplate.pdf - http://www.revenue.ie/pdf/carplate.pdf
and from http://www.oasis.gov.ie/transport/motoring/vehicle_registration_numbers.html - http://www.oasis.gov.ie/transport/motoring/vehicle_registration_numbers.html :- ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 13:48
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Killian - Thanks for that, I had checked that already and according to that anything on the plates is illegal such as BMW in bottom, Garage details on the plate, colours etc. I suppose then that techinically if we had a plate that accounted for the new EU member sates then the number of stars above 12 would also cause a problem. So its off to buy a new set of perspex plates - Any recomendations for North / West Dublin. ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: JohnH
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 14:06
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Martin, I just got new perspex plates. Did a bit of looking around and Artane Auto Centre oppostie the ESB shop on the Malahide Road just on the town side of the Artane Roundabout supplied a lovely pair of perspex standard plates for €20. Ended up getting new plates for 3 mates there too once they saw them - seems that getting a decent set of plates is harder than you'd think! John PS.Don't know if this is true (someone'll probably tell me it's bull) but I remember being told that the 12 stars weren't one for each of the original countries but was the number of stars making up the halo on the statue of Mary in Strasbourg where some treaty or other was signed!
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Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 14:22
Posted By: JohnH
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 14:37
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The Council of Europe set up the committee in 1946 and they adopted the flag in 1956. Now that's a good 10 years work!! Did they not remeber the baker's dozen - that's 13???? ------------- |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 14:47
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BTW AFAIK new plate guidelines are for cars regd. after 1992 ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 07-July-2004 at 14:59
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Apparently not, but then 2 sixpacks do make 12 which is fairly perfect to me. Six cylinders is half of 12 and 24 valves is double 12, Maybe BMW developed its model on factors of that perfect 12 number also. Anyway going to call for the plates on my way home this evening
------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: Kevin_E30_318iS
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 10:17
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Better to get the new plates fitted as soon as you can. If the Guards will arrest a mother of 8 and drag her off the jail for non payment of a 160EUR fine, leaving the 12 year old kid in charge of the rest, they won't have any qualms in nicking you for your existing plates.
Maybe they thought they were photo-reflective plates? ------------- Kevin_1990_318iS |
Posted By: Toxic
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 11:45
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have a look at http://www.fancyplates.com/ - http://www.fancyplates.com/ You can make a really tasteful plate from this lot without going over the top and apparently they are legal. ------------- Tom E39 1997 523i Oxford Green (Sold) ___________________________ |
Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 12:22
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He accused me of putting them on to evade speed cameras, but they were on the car when I bought it, actually I bought it from a man of the cloth (Church if Ireland), somehow I think he put them on to match the ccolour of the car rather than evade the cameras. From reading about the cameras I don't think there is anything that prevents them being seen aside from leaving them filthy Looked around for as much info on plates as possible because I was so ticked off with him but based on this document http://www.oasis.gov.ie/utilities/redirect.php?url=http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI318Y1992.html - SI 318/92 anything other than the 12 stars with IRL on the blue and the standard letters on a pure white background is illegal as far as I can see. 3. ( a ) The plate on which an identification mark is exhibited (in this Schedule referred to as "the plate") shall not contain any words, letters, numbers, emblems or other marks of any kind other than those required under this Schedule. I reckon its a quota game that they pick the responsible people that they can find their address and will show up in court, pay the fines etc rather than go after the no tax, no insurance unroadworthy car brigade cos it takes too much time and requires some real work. I'll probably be arrested on the way home now for that comment........ ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 12:25
not according to the links I mentioned before. Quote: The registration number consisting of numbers and letters must be in black on a white reflective background The flag of the EU and the letters "IRL" must be placed on the left-hand side of the plate, the flag comprising 12 gold stars in a circle, the letters in white beneath it, all on a blue reflective background. No other numbers, letters, marks, etc., should appear on your registration plate. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Toxic wrote:Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 12:32
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Very good on the Newbie confusion device, when do we stop being Newbies by the way? Just looked at fancyplates site and they have a disclaimer that states "Plates ordered from the Standard Irish plates Constructor are suitable for use on public roads in Ireland. Some plates ordered from our Fancy Plates Constructor may not meet requirements for use on public roads." ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 12:42
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maybe so, but they don't pay the fine if they are wrong! <edit> IIRC newbie ends @ 50 posts & then you become a groupie </edit> ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Toxic
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 13:36
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What about all those dealers, especially the BMW ones who are notorious for it, that put their name on the plate at the bottom? ------------- Tom E39 1997 523i Oxford Green (Sold) ___________________________ |
Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 13:40
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Guess they're illegal also. I suppose its not illegal to sell them but is illegal to use them, bit like radar. Really depends on the Gaurd and his attitude at the time. ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 14:24
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i dont think they do. They actually put the plate into a picec of black plastic. The garage info is on this piece of plastic. ------------- |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 14:51
In other words, this bog-standard format: 
is acceptable (if you ignore the UK registration). This is the ordinary pressed aluminium plate available from most / all good Irish motor factors, in this case Ennis Motor Factors. -------------   
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 14:53
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pretty much. It has become so strict that even incorrect sizing of the characters can result in an NCT failure. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 15:02
...but this:
probably is not. This is the rear plate on my old Six, as supplied by http://www.fancyplates.com - Fancy Plates . Although the character sizing is standard Irish, as is the Euroflag emblem, the yellow background is not (Fancy Plates turned it out in this colour to my commission, as the UK police - Bedfordshire Constabulary - stipulated to me on the one and only occasion that they pulled me up for having the white background on the rear). At the base of the plate, my little "advert" for the Clare Equestrian Centre would probably not be acceptable either.... -------------
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Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 15:05
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Now that's a patriotic reg to get made up when located abroad. Fair play Horsetan!!! ------------- Mazda 6 MPS S1 Elise 135 Sport Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-3254"> 
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 15:30
...and the great thing is, the UK Police and MoT people have got no objection to these plates - as they stand - at all!!!  -------------
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Posted By: Toxic
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 20:52
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what about going for everything bog standard....lettering, white background etc, but just getting the white bckgrnd in a honeycomb style? I've been told, not sure if its true that the honeycomb pattern plays havoc with speed cameras?????? ------------- Tom E39 1997 523i Oxford Green (Sold) ___________________________ |
Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 20:55
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I was chatting to a fella from donegal before who had kind of hologram plates - he paid 60 eurons for them but apparently they cannot be seen by the cameras. Doesn't stop an unmarked car pulling you over though! ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 23:22
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It was the silver shadow effect on mine that got me all the attention http://www.maxem.ie/plate.jpg - www.maxem.ie/plate.jpg I imagine that if you can photograph the plate from a distance an angle with a regular camera and see the plate then I dont see how the speed cameras would miss it. Thought I saw one of the car shows or magazine testing a load of the options on plates and not one of them had any effect butthat was a while back. Anyway I'm on bog standard fully compliant plates now ------------- Martin In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 09-July-2004 at 23:39
Sounds like someone's bullin' there! If it can show up on ordinary flash photography, you can bet your last Euro that it'll show up on the Gatso... I reckon the standard pressed-aluminium plate is much more durable than the acrylic/plastic ones, but cannot find a supplier who will press me one with a yellow background.... -------------
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Posted By: Mythago
Date Posted: 11-July-2004 at 12:23
Been curious about the whole IRL on a uk plate for as I've tempted to do the same to my 323! So reckon I'll get them changed shortly  ------------- A.K.A Antho 323i on http://www.e36coupe.com :) 
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 11-July-2004 at 15:57
As long as you conform to the standards re: size and visibility / clarity of characters, I see no massive problem about being proud of where you come from (or, indeed, where you would want to be) -------------
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