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Topic: Damn stereo!!!
Posted By: 535iSport
Subject: Damn stereo!!!
Date Posted: 16-August-2004 at 13:36

i still have the original blaupunt (or however it's spelt) stereo in my car.  Well i thought that i'd start to put my nice md head unit in so i popped down to the local halfords to get myself a wiring harness so that i didn't have to cut all the wires.

get home and what do i find, but the connectors on the car are nothing like what fit the harness.  i checked, double checked and even treble checked the codes before i paid for it and it even says on the front of the box that it's the right one. 

any ideas?



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Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 16-August-2004 at 14:02
I know that the earlier cars didn't use the standard BMW Radio connector...What year is your car ? I used a plug as shown below (connected to standard ISO plugs) to mate with the standard BMW connector, is this what you purchased ?





Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 16-August-2004 at 16:35

car is a 1990 so it is a fairly early one.

that is similar to what i bought.  but it's got a connector both ends.  one for the bmw connection and one for the aftermarket stereo.  don't really want to cut the wires as i'd like to be able to stick the original radio back in if i wanted to.  the stereo that's in it is a pull out jobbie not just a face or pannel off item.

 



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Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 16-August-2004 at 16:43
Have you removed the cage from the original radio and checked for the BMW connector ? You should find a female version of the connector above with a locking clip to hold them together. Has your new radio got standard ISO connectors ?

This is the adaptor i used :




Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 10:35
I'm interested in this thread too as the connectors on my 525 sport seems different as well ...i'll try and take a pic of mine but from what i can remember there seemed to be two round connectors going into the pinoneer head unit in my car rather than square ones (never was any good at fitting stereos )

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 10:52
If you follow the wiring back from where it plugs in to the stereo you should eventually come across the square BMW connector unless someone has cut it off !


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 11:39

The stereo that is in the car as far as i'm aware was fitted by BMW , certainly the AMP and CD Changer were so I would hope the connector hasn't been cut off  ... I'm going to buy a ISO converter from Halfords on me lunch break today then have a proper look after work tonight



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 14:17

Originally posted by e34m5 e34m5 wrote:

Have you removed the cage from the original radio and checked for the BMW connector ? You should find a female version of the connector above with a locking clip to hold them together. Has your new radio got standard ISO connectors ?

This is the adaptor i used :




Miles

 

That's the one i got but if i take the connector off the pull out stereo cradle it won't fit in the above adaptor.

just trying to fit my sony job.   will be fun when i get arounf to buying the dvd palyer and screens



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Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 14:25
Have you tried tracing the wiring back a bit further to see if you can find the BMW plug ? Mine was buried deep at the back of the dash to allow the radio to slide in correctly.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:05
sorry for going slightly off my topic but bmwe34sport, are they the original metric wheels on your car?

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Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:12

Originally posted by e34m5 e34m5 wrote:

Have you tried tracing the wiring back a bit further to see if you can find the BMW plug ? Mine was buried deep at the back of the dash to allow the radio to slide in correctly.


Miles

had a quick look but couldn't see much.  i might take the glove box out to see what i can find.  i was being a bit careful the other day as there's all the wiring for the obc, heater / ac etc.



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Posted By: Deathace
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:21

taking the glove box itself off wont help much you have to take the trim that covers the void from the right hand side of the glove box. If you pull the cable through from the hole you should be able to pull the cables out far enough to find the brown connector that miles is talking about. Mine however was cut off from a previous owner because they couldnt be bothered to get a BMW-ISO connector. I have since resoldered a BMW connector to my loom and used the correct harness (pictured above) as i like things to be easy when i change stereos about.

Russ



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http://www.deathace.net">
1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:21
hi 535isport ...ok here is where i show how stooopid i am ...I don't know !! Well saying I don't know might not be quite right ....I don't think they are metric as the tyre size is 225/65/15   however I could be wrong .......Miles help me out here

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:28
They are the standard non-metric BBS cross spoke alloys, i had some on my car when i first got it !


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:30

Cheers Miles knew you'd know the answer

535isport can I ask why you wanted to know ??



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:32

deathace - cheers for saving me time by saying about the glove box.

bmwe34sport - metrics are a radius of about 415mm i think.  my spare is one.  most people get rid now because tyres are mega £££  i have one as a spare and that's it.  when it needs a new tyre i'll be finding something else to use.



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Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:35
just wondered as they are getting quite rare.

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Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:37

you should be able to pick up a BBS not metric like mine on Ebay if you wanted one quite cheap , there always seems to be people breaking E34's or you might even find someone selling a single wheel the same as yours its worth a look

Stu



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 15:42
I took my old set to the dump as nobody wanted to buy them


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 16:14
Really ..i'm sure I have seen a set of the non metric BBS wheels sell for about £150 on ebay

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 16:35

cheers i'll have a look. 

thing is with my wheels, they're off an e46. garage that i bought the car off thought they looked good.  yeah they look ok but the off set is all wrong der!!!



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Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 16:38

Oh dear thats not good ...I remember seeing your car on Autotrader (i live in Herts ) and thought it was tasty especially the wheels ..but they are E46 ones



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: 535iSport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 17:27

yup i saw it on auto trader as well.  apart from the wheels being the wrong offset and me not noticing till i got the car home it's pretty good though.

managed to get a few hundred off of it as well.  still nothing that some spacer won't sort out.  if i ever get round to buying them lol!!



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Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 18:51

Cool ...going back to the original post I have just taken the old pioneer head unit out of my car and had a rummage around looking for the BMW connector and all I can seem to find is some round connectors which plug into a cable coming from the back of the headunit , they look like Multichanger cables and i know that one of them is but the othet 2 seem to power and control the speakers , i cant even feel a square connector anywhere although it might be behnd the OBC

How easy is it to get the OBC out because I then might be able to see what is going on better . I'm going to take a pic when i get a chance of the connectors



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:07
To remove the OBC you need to push on the lever as desribed http://www.bmwe34.net/e34main/upgrade/OBC.htm - Here but you really shouldn't need to remove it to see the connector if it is there.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:09

thanks Miles , this is what the connectors look like currently



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:18
Can you follow the coloured cables back to where they join the original BMW wiring loom ? The original wiring loom will be wrapped in binding tape.

BTW The connector you are holding in the picture definitely looks like the CD-Changer cable.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:19

they seem to join behind the OBC I will go and try to remove the OBC now

 



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:32

I can't seem to get the OBC to move I don't want to force it   Orange cable runs right round the back of the OBC , I can feel an in line fuse holder but cant feel anything that is like the ISO , the CD change cable is plugged into the head unit so it can't be that , there are 2 connectors identical on the one i'm holidng and then the cd changer cable

 



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:49
I thought i was going to break my clock when i was trying to remove it to upgrade to the OBC but it was just a bit reluctant to budge after being there for 13 years !

Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 19:58

I got the OBC out ...hasn't really helped much can't see anything obvious that could be the ISO connector ..think it might be time to take it down to my local audio specialist and get them to fit it

Just can't get my rather large hands all the way round the back and obviosly i don't want to start pulling wires too hard



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:04
It does sound like the BMW connector has been removed at some time so it would probably be best to get a "Professional" to have a look for you.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:06
Did you say that you have a factory fitted Amplifier ? This could complicate things if you are planning to upgrade.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:11
Thats what I was about to say , from what I can make out there is a factory fitted Pioneer Amp in the boot and one under the glovebox one of the connectors I'm holidng seems to run all the way behind the OBC and up into the glovebox (from what I can make out ) the ornage wire runs behind the OBC into what I can only describe as a black box and then out again then I can't see where it goes ...oh well thanks for all the help gotta go and re-programme the OBC now

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:21
What unit are you installing to replace the old one ?


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:38
Well I was going to put a Kenwood Mask in but if im going to have compatibility issues i might have to change headunits ........arghhhhhh and now I have put the old unit back it doesn't work

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:48
Definitely time to take it to a professional, you don't want anything shorting out and turning your car in to a smouldering mound of plastic and metal ! I have a Kenwood KDC-M9021 Mask CD/MP3 player and it sounds excellent.


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 17-August-2004 at 20:49
Exactly ...oh well I will have to do without a stereo for a while until I can get it to a professional

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: Deathace
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 00:11

Not in the norfolk area are ya, as i would gladly offer my services if you were.

Russ



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http://www.deathace.net">
1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 08:51
Cheers Russ , fraid i'm not that close to Norfolk about an hour and 1/2 but if non one else can fix it I might take the trip

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 11:39
535isport ..out of interest are the connectors in my car the same as yours ?

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 11:44
Originally posted by BMWE34sport BMWE34sport wrote:

Cheers Russ , fraid i'm not that close to Norfolk about an hour and 1/2 but if non one else can fix it I might take the trip


Where abouts are you then ? I am in the Midlands if that helps ?


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 11:51
I'm in sunny (well sort of ) Knebworth in Hertfordshire if anyone knows where that is

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 15:34
I have just realised that none of the E34's came from the factory fitted with radios so i think someone must have requested that the dealer install that particular system in your car when they purchased it ?

On the original invoice for my car it says :

Install Stereo and Fit 4 Speakers      £695.86 !!!!


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 18-August-2004 at 15:48

Interesting .. I will have a look through all the paperwork I got with my car but i'm pretty sure there isn't the original invoice for the car ...there is an invoice for replacing an amp under the glovebox though

Isn't there somewhere on the web where i can type my VIN in and it will tell me what spec my car was out of the factory or can a dealer do it ?



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 19-August-2004 at 16:54
Ok update ...went to a Stereo place today to get mine fitted , they quoted £35 plus VAT ..not too bad I thought so they went to do it ..came back 5 mins later ...problem the connectors in the car are DIMM connectors that go staight to the amp then to the speakers so I can't run my current headunit on the amps that are in the car  so they will have to remove the amp and rewire the speakers . So  to fit my stereo is now going to cost £120 plus VAT for a single CD headunit , thats more than the bloody unit cost me !!! So i'm now without a stereo until i can decide what to do

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 19-August-2004 at 17:54
I would have thought that whoever installed (BMW dealer ?) the original system would have left the original wiring in place as it is part of the cars wiring loom and that they would have just run new cables from the amps to the speakers....It would be easy enough to check, if you remove the passenger side kick panel and speaker you will be able to see if the original wiring is still in place....


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: thaskitz
Date Posted: 22-August-2004 at 16:56

fitted a new head unit to mine today had to chop out a nasty pionear pullout stereo with what i thought was a changer lead wired in my new one and had no rear speakers thought i would be clever and cut into the dimm loom and try to rewire big mistake!!!!!!

i ended up wiring the fronts as normal then installing a cheapy amp (running the rca wires was a nightmare as these cars are built right!!!!) to run the rears  all in all not what i wanted  still makes puttin a sub in all that easier!!!



Posted By: b8alk
Date Posted: 22-August-2004 at 18:03
my stereo was fitted by the suppling dealer according to the bill of sale inc an amp, when i fitted my own system i found the leads to be different to the pacth leads i brought from halfords, so i traced the cars stereo loom back to the amp and found rolled up on top of the brace bar were the glove box lives a second set of leads,so i removed the speaker lead plug from the amp pluged it in to the female end of these leads,then traced the other end back to under centre consel which did fit the halfords leads,then pluged the halfords leads into my stereo,s leads and bobs your uncle it all worked perfectly..   

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E34 M30 535i SPORT



                                


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 01-September-2004 at 11:23
Update ..... after being quoted a £120 'cos we would have to re-wire the car mate' from a specialist I decided to give the guy who fitted my alarm a bell . He came round and we dound the original BMW connector up above the glovebox along with a pioneer amp so we removed that and found the front speaker wires , then removed the amp from the boot and found the original speaker wires for the rears under the seat , so rewired them back into the standard wiring loom and bobs your uncle ...it took 2 hours cost ....50 quid so i'm happy , plus I now know where all wires go etc

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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: e34m5
Date Posted: 01-September-2004 at 16:23
Glad you sorted it you just need to upgrade all of the speakers now


Miles

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1991 525i Sport Manual

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3552&st=0">


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 02-September-2004 at 03:56

Well thats what I thought I would have to do but i was very pleasantly surprised with whats in there already , the sound quality is superb ..better than the Kenwood speakers I had in my E30 , so the only thing I might do at some point is put a sub and amp in , which wont be hard as the battery is under the back seat so I wont have to run loads of cables  



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1991 525 Sport


Posted By: Deathace
Date Posted: 02-September-2004 at 05:27

Congrats on getting it sorted.

Russ



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http://www.deathace.net">
1990 535i SE Auto Metallic Glacier Blue, Low Mileage,
M-Tech Bodykit, Full Leather & Various Custom Mods.


Posted By: BMWE34sport
Date Posted: 02-September-2004 at 06:43
Cheers Russ , and thanks once again for the offer of having a look at it

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1991 525 Sport



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