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Points: 15508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:17
Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.

True but to get 31 (or 39!) would require a high level of irresponsibility. You presumably don't have that many because you are careful - he obviously isn't.
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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:16

Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.

I'm not saying that the points were justified but what it shows is that even after getting so many he is still unable to drive in a way that doesn't get him more. He might not have deserved them but he is an idiot.

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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:13

Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.

I remember when points were introduced, the story being that they would only be used for those whose road behaviour had been dangerous to some degree or another.

We now see points being handed out for non-driving offences such as failure to present one's documents, and the threat of licences being withdrawn for non-motoring issues such as failure to comply with maintenance orders from the CSA!

I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence.


Under the new road safety bill a French licence won't stop you getting points here or disqualified by totting here, should you commit endorseable offences.

There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state.

 
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Points: 745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:03
Originally posted by Mike Fishwick Mike Fishwick wrote:

Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.

I remember when points were introduced, the story being that they would only be used for those whose road behaviour had been dangerous to some degree or another.

We now see points being handed out for non-driving offences such as failure to present one's documents, and the threat of licences being withdrawn for non-motoring issues such as failure to comply with maintenance orders from the CSA!

I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence.


Under the new road safety bill a French licence won't stop you getting points here or disqualified by totting here, should you commit endorseable offences.
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Points: 63 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 11:01
Ok - Mr Englander (what an appropriate name!) has lots of points, but he would have a lot less if they were not handed out like confetti.

I remember when points were introduced, the story being that they would only be used for those whose road behaviour had been dangerous to some degree or another.

We now see points being handed out for non-driving offences such as failure to present one's documents, and the threat of licences being withdrawn for non-motoring issues such as failure to comply with maintenance orders from the CSA!

I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence.
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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2006 at 04:27

This case is quite shocking. He should have been banned. How about taking responsibillity for your actions. Ok 3 or 6 points is unlucky, 9 is careless and 12 is just stupid but 31 is bordering on the insane.

Mind you if penalty points weren't handed out with such gay abandon then they might be taken more seriously. When a huge proportion of the driving population have at least 3 points it becomes the norm and no longer socially unacceptable. Insurance companies ingonore them because they obvioulsy see no correlation between 3 points and an increased risk of a claim.

 
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Points: 6941 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2006 at 18:28

The public ignore them, insurance companies ignore them (in my experience), and now magistrates ignore them lol

http://www.itvregions.com/Granada/News/Driver+keeps+licence+ despite+31+penalty+points.htm
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