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    Posted: 13-April-2006 at 15:35

Glad to here it has been resolved to the owners satisfaction

As for the Saab. Who cares what anyone else thinks. If he likes it then that's all that matters.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-April-2006 at 14:57

Well, the saga has ended. The car has been sold (for a loss of only £900 over 7 months-not bad) and he now has a SAAB 9-3 convertible and before you say it, yes, he's had all the jokes, he's a 20 year old driving around in a 60 year olds car, but hey ho, horses for courses.

I just hope the dealer has learnt from this experience, I certainly have (about libel, slander, peoples interesting views etc!) Hope none of you ever have an experience like this one, if you do, be careful what you say on here! lol.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 16:19
At the end of the day, Minis are crap - it's a product
made in the same factory as the Marina, Montego etc
with the same disinterested workforce. Early ones
were shockingly bad, a real British Leyland triumph if
you'll excuse the pun.

Sadly the BMWCC does seem to be in the pocket of
BMW GB and I suspect the head honcho values his
press cars too highly to upset the poor lambs at
Bracknell. Look on the UnixNerd site. He's not
scared to let disgruntled punters lay into useless
dealerships. That was the great thing about the
Driver's Club - old Graham took delight in winding up
BMW and knew exactly how far he could go (quite
far!)

As with any retail establishment, a garage or
dealership is only as good as the people who work
there. For example in the Alfa Romeo dealer network
there are only three dealersin the UK who are
actually any good and they have all been AR dealers
for 20-30 years. Having said that the dealer chain
who are fronted but no longer owned by S*tn*rs (aka
"the Jewish ex racing driver and brother of the bloke
who owned the Cavern Club") were consistently crap
when I was looking for a 325Ci and the dealerships
'formerly known as GODFREY HALL" (Now part of
the Sytner chain) were even worse with abysmal
customer care.
I can just imagine Frank "Davros" Sytner in his
half-Dalek machine. Y-O-U    H-A-V-E     B-E-E-N.......
............T - E - R - M - I - N - A - T - E - D!!!

A good BMW main dealer? Stratstone (formerly
Bridgegate) in Chesterfield. About as good as a
main dealer gets.
Personally though I'd always use an independent
and Euro Car parts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2006 at 12:40
Originally posted by beast535 beast535 wrote:

Originally posted by 320ci 320ci wrote:

And I am also pleased Mill BMW and Preston Farm BMW are very good(my local BMW dealer's).

I thought we couldn't name dealer names. This could be libel (slander) because the dealer may think they are great and not just very good....

Well just to even it out then I have heard not so good things about the latter, who are also my local dealer. However for parts, which was all I ever used them for, they were ok.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2006 at 08:38
Originally posted by beast535 beast535 wrote:

Originally posted by 320ci 320ci wrote:

And I am also pleased Mill BMW and Preston Farm BMW are very good(my local BMW dealer's).

I thought we couldn't name dealer names. This could be libel (slander) because the dealer may think they are great and not just very good....

Yep i agree with you, if you cant name them because they are bad, then you shouldnt name them if they are good, ....... it makes there head swell

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2006 at 07:19

Originally posted by 320ci 320ci wrote:

And I am also pleased Mill BMW and Preston Farm BMW are very good(my local BMW dealer's).

I thought we couldn't name dealer names. This could be libel (slander) because the dealer may think they are great and not just very good....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2006 at 03:19

I'm glad its working out, this little saga is going the same way as the last complaint that was posted on here.

Its good that its does get resolved, but  bit sad that it takes so long, and annoys someone enough to "make" them post about it.

Never mind Hyundai, you want to see the service my wife recieved from Suzuki !, a five grand on the road car, and service like she had a Rolls Royce, and I'm not kidding.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2006 at 01:51
I'm so pleased he got something sorted. And I am also pleased Mill BMW and Preston Farm BMW are very good(my local BMW dealer's).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2006 at 13:44

Yes, I agree about the Friday afternoon car, I'd never heard that phrase until now! 'lemon' being the other one.

I learnt the same too about good and bad service being spread by word of mouth. If I get good service somewhere, I will always tell as many people I can, to try and even the balance. It's true though, because you are angry, you want to tell people to get it off your chest, thats where the ten comes from. If you are happy, it's what you expect in the first place so really you don't rave about it too much. I'm just fed up of it in the motor trade. It's a trade I've worked in for over 10 years, one i take great interest and pride in working but there are too many sectors now which are very slap dash, bringing shoddy workmanship and bad customer care, quite frankly, I'm sick of it. It has to change or the only manufacturers left, are going to be the ones who give good service, not the ones who make lovely cars! Just look at the top gear car survey. The worst offenders are the ones you expect to be coming top like Mercedes being a good example of bad service/vehicle reliability whereas someone like Hyundai are coming in the top 10???, it makes worrying reading!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2006 at 12:33

I have just read all this.  Gripping stuff.  Some interesting views and points made......

I spent many years in customer services, and as a simple rule:  If a customer receives 'good service', they will tell 2 people.  If a customer receives 'bad service', they will tell 10!

Glad to hear progress is being made.  It sounds like your friend has a 'Friday afternoon' car there, if it were me, I would get shot of it.  It will always be going wrong!!!

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavours last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2006 at 07:12

Excellent, at least your moving in the right direction.

I hope the offer is enough.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2006 at 06:57

*** UPDATE ***

Meeting with DP went ok. Got a decent apology! He has agreed to do the A-pillar cover under warranty (previously refused) and has offered another years extended warranty including an insured courtesy car whenever it comes in. He is also looking into buying the car back of this unfortunate chap. Not a bad start but would you keep a car plagued with problems even if another years warranty is offered? Lets see what figure the DP comes up with to buy the car back.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-April-2006 at 14:13

*** UPDATE ****

At last, a meeting with the dealer principal tonight, I'll let you know the outcome tomorow.

Will it be     or      ??????????????

I'l let you know!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-March-2006 at 19:03

**** UPDATE ****

My friend has had a letter from BMW GB. It basically has the usual "I am sorry this one car has let you down, we take pride in our brand....blah...blah........"

They offerd him £250 to spend at any mini dealer of his choice in return for the whole matter to be dropped WOOHOO!! crack out the champagne boys, we got a result, NOT!

What an insult! They did go on to say that the return of the car was down to the dealer and not them, fair enough, but to offer gift vouchers to spend with a brand you currently loath is pathetic! I think the chap is in the process of weighing up his options before taking further action, but I garantee, that is not going to be the end! He still has not heard a thing from the dealer principal as was promised on Tuesday when their copy of the letter was recieved. You'd think that the dealer principal would at least give a prompt response, even if just to say he's looking into it!

As before, I'll keep you posted.

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P.S. Anyone got the number for watchdog? I feel a bit of publicity coming on!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-March-2006 at 18:53
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Originally posted by Jack735 Jack735 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Anyway it's libel not slander. Slander is spoken, libel is written.

Its neither libel nor slander if whats been written or said is true!

True. But that has to be proven. Unless the forum admin can be sure it is true then they cannot take the risk of allowing it to be posted.

 

Good point Peter! Let me ask this question though, lets just say this was all proven beyond doubt, can the name of the dealer be un-blocked? Just a question I was pondering over.

How it can be proved? I suppose it wouldn't really happen unless it went to court. All of the records the dealer makes of when the car was booked in and what for, should be available as is the copy of the warranty paperwork that my friend took the clever move of requesting so he has got it on paper what should have been done.

Of course conversations weren't recorded so it the dealer versus the client although I do know that his dad witnessed some conversations and I overheard phonecalls so there is plenty of evidence. If the dealer still tries to squirm their way out of this one, there is something seriously wrong within the BMW empire and heads need to roll.

Just to update you aswell, the dealer principal said the other day, after receiving the letter, he would contact my friend regarding this matter. This still has not happened. He hasn't even bothered to ring this guy and say 'I am investigating the situation and will be in touch' nothing, nil, zero. After three days it's getting silly. BMW GB would have recieved the same letter the same day, but no response from them though when I spoke to my frind last, he hadn't had his mail for that day so tomorrow may be a different story. I think both the dealer and BMW UK would do well to at least let my guy know they are taking an interest in sorting this mess out. Patience is wearing thin and it may be time to contact the solicitor.

Any further developments, you guys will be among the first to know.

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The moderators (mainly myself) brought in the rules. They were chosen using a common sense approach and also 'borrowed' from elsewhere on the net.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-March-2006 at 17:06

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

True. But that has to be proven. Unless the forum admin can be sure it is true then they cannot take the risk of allowing it to be posted.

Well said.

Enough lads - the modorators are only acting according to the forum rules, and how they have been instructed by the office and the NC.

If we have a 'gripe' against a dealer, bring it up with the office.

They've got the BMW contacts - we can only hope they use them.

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