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Indeed VRT is an unpalatable pain you're just going to have to suck it in and pay it. Insurance wouldn't go out the gate without it but motor tax i don't hold it in the same regard,(all my roadgoing motors are in tax btw) but I put it in the same league as the dog licence, currently Jess the Springer is a good 9 months out and I don't honestly think I'm going to back tax him or really loose to much sleep over it !!! 

The fact of the matter is tax evasion is a wide spread in Ireland, it just depends on what end of the scale your at 1,000,000s or Jess & I at €12.50, so I don't throw stones on the subject.

 

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they'll miss my road tax and vrt tax and my income tax i dont give a rats arse if you miss my attitude you'll live. ive never seen so many people with their head up their a**e in my life wake up lads your government is robbing you blind and you all seem happy to go along with it .

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I wonder is it the recession or something thats affecting peoples attitudes lately. But ive noticed on other forums (forii??) lately that people are getting hot under the collar over little things. Disappointed its spread to here. Though the majority on here are level headed and able to debate and still stay composed.

Lads keep it cool

@Ben fully agree with your coments on comunication on this board. Bad news on the water so as they will charge us from latest october onwards. My local CC told me they put meters in this sumer.

@ Joey well technicaly it is an illegal tax still if they catch you they will not give a hood about that argument of yours. Better to go elect you representation and get them to do their job.

@ all the rest with their Halo's

THis country has some strange double standard and I'm not talking about the irish and the "feckin foreigners" but just the irish. Someone can flaunt the tax laws and evade paying millions on tax and he is a hero in this land. Someone tries to evade a couple of 100s and all hell breakes loose. The economy goes down and suddenly it is the "eastern europeans" who fly in and out with cheap flights and cash in on social welfare payments? What about the irish doing just that in the UK? Maybe they (the eastern europeans) learnd from the best? And the Minister for this department found only a very small number of "non residents" actualy doing this but a massive number of parents for excample cashing in support they shouldn't get

Latest joke is that the garda chases painters and invades radio stations as the big heads didn't like an artists expression and in doing so make this thing go around the world. (Remember there is no bad publicity)

So are you are all saying that bankers and company guys are cool if they rip Ireland of (by evading taxes) and anyone else should shut up and do as they are told? ....

Maybe that is the attitude that allowed certain powers in this land to rip the whole nation of and destroy the future of generations to come. From my point of view this country changed alot in the last years and some of it for sure isn't good.

Just my two pence tho

chris

If a tax is illegal, fight it through the courts.

I choose to live in this country and in doing so agree to abide by its laws; i don't go on internet fora to flaunt the ones I don't.

If there are tax loop-holes that the wealthy can explore, it is up to our legislators to close them.

If you disagree with the laws of the land, elect somebody else to make them. If you can't vote here, like me, and you don't like it, go live somewhere else.

If there is nobody representing your view, stand in the next election and get people who agree with you to vote for you.

Just because some laws get broken does not give anybody carte blanche to break other laws.

Nobody does me any favours by not paying their tax; they just make my tax burden greater.

Curley wrote: larzyh wrote: Nobody does me any favours by not paying their tax; they just make my tax burden greater. Valid point Larzyh, I've tried to do all my shopping local in the belief it might in the long run save jobs while my neighbour(s) do a weekly commute to the north for goods. It's not illegal but is it patriotic???

Bit of both.

I don't agree with Joey's point as the loophole of getting insurance on UK plated cars is closing. (Think Quinn does a max of 2 weeks now) Feck the tax maybe - no insurance - no way. If you have a prank in your car you are in serious trouble and the financial burden could seriously hamper your future.

On the other hand as you Tom point out shopping here means only that the shops can still charge exorbitant prices, blaming cost bla bla bla bla. Nothing will change. One has to have some empathy for Joey's view point seeing that there are really far bigger issues at stake at the moment. Shops have to cop on and prices have to come down for people to be able to take less pay etc not the other way round as this would never happen

I am not sure which "far bigger issues" people are talking about.

If it is the fact that the country is on the verge of bancruptcy, then please explain to me how people dodging tax is not part of that issue.

 

I didn't say I couldn't see the bigger issues; I said I was not sure which ones you were on about.

If 10% of people don't pay tax the remaining 90% will have to make up the shortfall. That's also maths.

Which 10% is it that you propose should be allowed not to pay tax? The "ordinary people" who overextended their credit in the boom years; the property developers, maybe? 

beemerchris wrote: 10Billion are taken out of the economy by a government that has no vision. Hence they take it from "ordinary people".

Chris, just who do you think is going to foot the bill if this 10 billion is borrowed, serviced and repaid? 

Unless I'm missing something, its the ordinary people.

Also, I'd like to pick up on the statement that you, and others, made about VRT being an illegal tax.  There have been court cases up to the level of the European Court of Justice about it and unless I've missed something then they haven't found it illegal.  But lets not let that get in the way of a good soundbite.

I'm not a fan of VRT and I've paid a good chunk of it over the years.  True, it is more than an unhappy coincidence that VRT was introduced at just the same time that Excise duties were being phased out.  However, the government is entitled to introduce taxes as it sees fit (if you disagree with any of them, use your democratic privileges to bring about change).  Europe has dictated the situation re. excise duties on inter-community movement of goods and the government has removed them.

Please, someone, show how VRT is an illegal tax - proof, rather than hearsay, hysteria or personal opinion.......

Also, just something to bear in mind:

Tax avoidence - legal - organizing your assets, income, consumption, etc. in a way that is effective in reducing or minimizing your tax bill.

Tax evasion - illegal - deliberately misrepresenting your assets, income, consumption, etc. to defraud the exchequer.

Beemerchris wrote:  On the 7. of April the hammer will drop There is definately no doubt about it. We motorists are going to feel more pain. Will annual road tax increase? Probably, Will fuel prices at the pumps increase? Probably, Could there be a hike in VRT rates? Probably, As they get less from the sale of new cars that fall in to the low co2 tax bands, they will make up the difference by raising the contributions that will have to be made by owners of cars with high co2 emissions. This means higher VRT rates and higher annual road tax. This plan was proposed by the Society of Irish Motor Industry, and they submitted it to government as the most suitable way to bring in the co2 based annual car road tax system. The government practically adopted the proposals precisely as the SIMI proposed. I may have to raid my kids piggy bank, and maybe dip into their holy communion money as well to pay the road tax. Unfortunately I can see the day coming when cars with engines greater that 2 liter, that are taxed under the old regime, will be taxed out of existance. I am also wondering if there will be changes made to the basis of assessment of annual road tax for certain commercial vehicles. Surely there must be a fairer system for all!     

Oh for Christ Sake

@Dergside

I remember you as being a sound and intelligent person and as such you surely understand the whole idea of Europe and the free movement of goods. So with this in mind the whole issue of it being illegal becomes self-explanatory (spelling?). The person I know who brought this to court in Europe was an Austrian I worked with and guess what he was right. As far as i understand it if you own a vehicle already for 6month and lived outside of Ireland VRT does not apply. However it is difficult to proof and if you have an Irish bank acc or paid any PRSI in this period you wont get this option.

You state that states introduce tax villy nilly as they see fit and you are right with that and yep some are illegal. The Germans for example have a special tax on foreign bubbly (Champagne and Proseccos) total illegal but still done. In the bigger picture of Europe this is a non issue as it isn't important enough. I paid VRT so I followed the rule (sort of) even so I only life here but work in the UK and in Mainland Europe at the moment. My main issue with this s the ISMI sets the OMSP and this is a total scam. I suggest you google the report on "Friendly Corruption" done from the EU and read what they say about Ireland.

Spending allot of time with EU clients you would be surprised about the damage to the image of Ireland currently developing. I' sure you can imagine at least 5 reasons for this.

On the subject of doing it right. I'm a registered voter in this country and up till last year planned to apply for full Irish citizenship but the resent development and two racist attacks I had made me put this on hold. So I go voting but in this country this is all a bit of a choke (see my previous post on majorities etc)

You comment to tax organization/avoidance etc. If you are a citizen of the USA for example you pay a baseline of tax regardless of where your life and work. If you don't like it well then just get the new citizenship and give back you US one. On a similar line how do you reckon does what you say fit into the equality that people here think is so important. How do joe blokes (and probably Joey) organize their assets in that way that their spouse liefs in e.g. Italy or Portugal. I bet with you that they did not pay the Italian tax rate either as that would be substantial higher. Or in case of the "famous" U2 when Bono has the cheek to run around and "bangs some lids" but himself is a tax evading scumbag in his own country?

Can you really not see why people like Joey or the over 100tsd public service workers that went demonstrating get fed up by this total hypocrisies. You are right the financing of borrowing 10billion would be crippling but why is it that the interest rate is is high? .....

 

Could go on for ever but I'm sure you get the idea if you wanna see it.  

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