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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 05:19
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Speak to Dave as he might have one as he builds his engines from what i've heard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 07:33
Originally posted by M3Nally M3Nally wrote:

So why did they not build the Evo Sport with high compression pistons like evo2 to get nearer 250bhp. After all 18bhp with 48mm TB's is not alot more than my evo2 at 220bhp with only 2.3l engine.

Was there a power restriction for racing as well as engine size in DTM at the time?


What is quoted by the manufacturers is the static compression ratio which has little relevance to the engine when it is running.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 09:10
another advantage of the later cars (i think) is that straightforward bog standard unleaded is ok

whereas on earlier cars it's ok but with a power loss

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 10:05
Toby,

Cheers, which Dave is that then and what is his number?

PM please if don't want to give details on here.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 10:24
Originally posted by Jonners Jonners wrote:

another advantage of the later cars (i think) is that straightforward bog standard unleaded is ok

whereas on earlier cars it's ok but with a power loss

Uwe??

Nothing to do with earlier or newer cars. ALL M3's are running fine with unleaded, EXECPT the EVO2 which always should be run on 98 Oktan fuel because of the ignition timing. If you want to run the EVO2 on any fuel with less than 98Oktan you need to "switch" the ECU to the 95Oktan map. Or take your chances.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 10:57
I run my E46 on Optimax only. If I get really desperate I'll go with BP Ultimate, but find a definate difference if I use anything less than that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 11:02
Coasting,
you engine has a knock sensor fitted which senses the quality of fuel used and adapts the ignition accordingly. Our old bangers don't do this. So if you fill it up with lower Oktan petrol than mapped it goes BANG!

BTW that BP stuff is crap. It burns faster than I can fill the tank up! And smells funny.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 11:39
Uwe - the informationmeister...

thanks for that - always stayed clear of early cars because i thought unleaded would be a problem - infact i bottled out and bought an evo sport so i was certain it would be a late one...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-March-2005 at 12:03
Jonners, not the lead is the issue. The Oktan rating of the petrol. And of course if a catalytic converter is fitted than unleaded is a must, whatever Okan it is.
But I believe you're not unhappy with your "mistake"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 04:06
Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Coasting,
you engine has a knock sensor fitted which senses the quality of fuel used and adapts the ignition accordingly. Our old bangers don't do this. So if you fill it up with lower Oktan petrol than mapped it goes BANG!

BTW that BP stuff is crap. It burns faster than I can fill the tank up! And smells funny.


Exactly the reason why I had mine mapped on std unleaded, as I couldn't be certain that I would always be able to get the high octane stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 07:12
Or you know somebody clever mapping your car on 98 AND 95 and you use the fuel quality wires to switch between the maps
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 14:46
what about my cecotto what does that supposed to use , i just stick normal unleaded in
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 14:50
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It all depends on which clips are connected. There next to the ecu on the left. one blue and one black. there quite long thin connectors as well. both connected and should run on Ron 98 {optimax), blue only connected Ron 95 is ok.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 15:32
ill have a look  soon , is the ecu under the glovebox or on the drivers side on the m3 (cant remember) normal e30s its above the s/column, i used to be a vauxhall mech years ago & they had a simelar thing of an octane pug which you simply turned over ,one side for 95ron & the other for 98ron they were colour coded too for different models  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 16:21
It`s inside the glovebox.Easy to get to - just a few screws to remove.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-March-2005 at 16:43
Here's a pic from Uwe's posting on another thread. The green arrow points to a black block, but it's the connecter, the same shap as the blue one just above/behind it.



This will give you some idea.

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So does this apply to my Sport Evo, should i always run super U 98
(optimax normally) Is it ok to run 95 standard stuff now and then when
you cant get any super U?
Will it have this plug you mentioned to switch between the grades?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-March-2005 at 01:48
Originally posted by Rob L Rob L wrote:

So does this apply to my Sport Evo, should i always run super U 98
(optimax normally) Is it ok to run 95 standard stuff now and then when
you cant get any super U?
Will it have this plug you mentioned to switch between the grades?


Yes it does. I find my Sport Evo runs best with both connectors connecter (98 RON Map) but running on 95 RON unleaded. Smoother idle, more responsive on part throttle and will still hit the limiter in top even with the front/rear spoilers in position 2/3 respectivly. The standard MAPs are quite consevative I think that running this way is closer to the optimum when using good quality fuels.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-March-2005 at 03:03
Gary used to runs his SE on normal 95 and he's not sure if both connectors are connected but suspect it is. He does/did get some pinking, but now runs on 98.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-March-2005 at 04:04
Ok again.
DO NOT RUN 95 OKTAN fuel with the 98 Oktan map!!!!!!!!
Have a guess why this map is called 98 Oktan map?
The better response is coming from the "sharper" ignition timing. But this could only be done because 98 Oktan is used. Anything less will cause pinking --> destruction! I can put you in touch with a fellow M3 owner blowing his engine up that way.
The danger lies in the high speed pinking at WOT. You cant hear it, but this does the most damage.
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