One in the eye for gatso’s

johno1066 wrote: Yep, Am on to one at the moment, mobile, parked on double yellow lines and outside a school entrance. If anyone wants pictures I can provide them!!

E-mail me the pictures I'll put them on here for you !

One point for you, Gatso is the make of one type of scamera, as I'm sure you know, it uses radar scatter to measure speed.

It is very unlikely to be used in a mobile van ( not impossible, but unlikely), they will generally be real time video with either infra red, or inductive sense trigger ( the latter will be plugged into a post somewhere).

They are also exempt parking regulations, in my experience even if where it is parked compromises safety.

johno1066 wrote: [QUOTE=Peter Fenwick] According to that report gatsos do cut down the number of accidents. May I suggest Peter, that you read the following then visit the Safespeed site. www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/search/display.var.522448.0. speed_cameras_fail_to_cut_accident_rate.php http://www.safespeed.org.uk/notso.html

I wasn't saying I agreed with the notion that speed cameras reduced accidents, all I was saying was that according to the report that Goldryder first started the thread about, they do.

Nigel,

Your comment about telegraph poles, microwaves and speed cameras. I'll do a little research on that one.........

Peter.

Not telegraph poles mate, radio telephone masts, the type used by vodaphone etc.

And this argument only applies to "transmitting" cameras, such as gatso's.

John

The highway code is not driving law, and shouldn't be treated as such, I agree with your sentiments but I think your unlikely to get anywhere, the people who are ultimately in charge of these things make the rules anyway, they know we the general public don't like them, but they don't really care.

You would also be surprised at the amount of support these devices have, like Peter says, most of the arguments we put forward just make it look like we want to break the law at will, and not be punished for it.

"As soon as someone comes up with a sensible way forward on how to tackle this then nothing will happen. The only solution offered on this site so far is to vote for someone else. Simply blaming the current government is nieve. If you think that any other major political party would do things differently then IMO you are mistaken. In order to get this you need to think of a way to get the general public as a whole on side. That way you can force the issue onto the political agenda."

The Solution as requested many times by the Public, is to put Police back on the Streets in numbers, instead of doing office work.10,000 extra police which were employed under the Bliar master plan, have disappeared, as well as the Trafpol and their Departments.You obviously havent noticed.

If the present police numbers are too low, which they are--take on 15000/20000 Extra Civilian staff to release Plod back where they belong, but due to utter incompetence by the senior police admin , possibly caused by daily Slime interference--they use Camera.s for everything instead of a "Police Driver who can smell em out" as a Cheshire Trafpoll chief said on TV prog last week.This man needs promoting to UK chief of Police, but maybe Too clever for Bliars system--a chief using his brain and Experience--unknown words in no 10.WE want More trafpol not camera,s-- excuses and Lies.

So for ALL the promises made over the years, not much has changed except we pay more for less.The Public opinion only concerns a govt at Election time, so PF-- we have to constantly remind the Govt of the day--good job we dont believe a word they spin out---that they can be kicked out of power like anyone else.

I think what Peter is saying is it isn't just this government, any elected government of whatever party is going to have the same policies on this issue.

Like many, I'm not happy with the daft way (and positions) that more and more cameras are be deployed in, but I don't think the way we all vote will change that. Not sure what will, unless they start not making as much money and become unprofitable!

Ok John, give me your arguments against speed cameras, and i'll try to play devils advocate with you, weve done this before on here.

I'll answer on your other post regarding the car.

B 7 VP wrote: The Solution as requested many times by the Public, is to put Police back on the Streets in numbers, instead of doing office work.10,000 extra police which were employed under the Bliar master plan, have disappeared, as well as the Trafpol and their Departments.You obviously havent noticed.

The issue regarding not enough Police is totally separate from this one. People want more Police on the streets in order to deal with issues regarding voilence, yob culture etc. I don not recall anyone saying that we needed more police on the streets to deal with traffic offences.

From conversations I have had, problems with traffic offences are pretty low on peoples list of issues that concern them. Although many people have been stung by cameras, most people would not choose which way to vote based on a parties policy with respect to them.

The Conservatives know this, other wise they would have used it as an issue to campaign on for the election. Either that or they agree with the current camera policy. 

Also a lot of people think speed cameras are a good idea. Sure people who use this forum and other motoring groups of enthusiast don't, but we are the minority. I would be willing to bet that if you went to your local nursery and spoke to mothers dropping of toddlers you would find a lot of support for them.

If you want to change things we need to make the issue one which is supported by the public as a whole, or at least a big enough section of society that the government and the opposiition parties take notice. In order to do this you first need to sell you views to the public. Not only that but you need to conter the propoganda that is out there. have you noticed the programmes about the traffic cops on the BBC. What do you think the purpose of these is? IMO this is selling issues like speed cameas and the notion that speeding is the latest motoring evil to the viewing public. To promote your views, change peoples opinions or even get them to care enough will take money or the backing af a news paper.

Discussing it on here is like preaching to the converted.

People don't go to the assistance of officers- or come forward to police appeals, for a wide range of reasons, it's not only drivers doing it (or not) as a protest.

I agree more police are needed on the streets, but as has been said, even if it was approved, it takes time to train more officers.