One in the eye for gatsos |
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Topic: One in the eye for gatsos Posted: 26-May-2005 at 03:03 |
As most of us already thought already, Gatso's do not cut down the number of accidents in blackspots, but road humps do...
It took boffins to finally prove the point though... |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 03:28 |
According to that report gatsos do cut down the number of accidents. Just not as many as speed bumps. According to that study cameras cut fatallity and injury rates by 11% and the total accident rate by 22%
Edited by Peter Fenwick |
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rubberknees50
Really Senior Member II Does it have chrome bumpers? Joined: 26-July-2004 Location: Telford, Shropshire Status: Offline Points: 1074 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 03:54 |
So humping in the road is a safety measure?
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 04:49 |
LOL.....
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Nigel
Moderator Group Joined: 09-November-2002 Status: Offline Points: 6941 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 04:50 |
I still believe that councils putting speed humps in the road are commiting a breach of the peace.....Ivan ? If a road has a speed limit of 30 mph, then it is safe to do 30 mph at some time, by putting in speed humps they are blocking the queens highway. |
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Bryce
Groupie Joined: 20-February-2005 Location: Farnborough, Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 99 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 04:59 |
Hi All, Having witnessed the problems most driver have in the Farnborough area when they "stumble" upon one of the MANY speed humps I would prefer not to see anymore... Mind you some statistic studying civil servant will deside that speed humps are the way forward and start putting them on the motorways instead of cameras!!! Did I just stick up for speed cameras? Cheers,
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:18 |
The speed humps down the road I live in are usually totally igored by motorists anyway alot of the time.
As far as I am concerned there is nothing that will ever stop drivers going to fast if they want to..apart from every car that rolls off the proddy line having a speed govner, and even then its unlikely to stop idiots. Edited by Goldryder |
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Nostrils
Really Senior Member II Joined: 27-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 792 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:25 |
Thats was I thinking! Everyone knows that the majority of speed cameras sited are revenue makers and this study confirms this - Now that we have 'freedom of information', the public can ask the council for their studies and statistics on each site in their borough and they'd better have a good reason to refuse! In a similar vain, the London Congestion Charge has done its job by reducing the number of vehicles in the zone (perhaps making outling areas more congested) - However, Ken is saying it is such a success he is putting the price up to £8 and looking to extend the zone.....looking at this from another point of view....it has been so successful that there the revenue estimated is not being met and less money is available for so-called Public Transport improvements and Ken is now panicking because his 'promises' will not happen! Gatso cameras have their place outside schools, shopping centres and where people congregrate in large numbers! Speed humps have thier place too, as above. |
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:28 |
The humps on my road have nice smooth tops, are wide and have enough room to drive over them and only have the tyres craze the sides...plus they have a damn great gap in the middle of them too.
No good to man nor beast but they look pretty cos they are red and have pretty little zig-zag patterns all over them...maybe they are sposed to be street art |
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Bryce
Groupie Joined: 20-February-2005 Location: Farnborough, Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 99 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:46 |
The speed humps on a specific area of Farnborugh are the same as Goldryder mentions except that they are tarmac but they have decided that, not only do we need them in each lane so if you have an ounce of common sense you would straddle them without needing to drop much speed (but less than 30mph), they then decide to put them in the parking bays... What happens is: A) people slow to 5mph, then continue up the rest of the road at 5mph... B) people drive down the middle of the road, part on the wrong side forcing oncoming traffic to have to swerve/stop C) "MAX POWER" racers floor it betwen humps, making a tit of themselves with exhaust roar/tyre screech in their bodykit covered Astra/Nova/Coras/Saxo/106 etc. And now the road looks a mess, different coloured surfaces, many humps, 2 Zebra crossings within 300 metres of each other, new mini round-about, all on 700 metres of road, too much to take in without looking for cars/people/bikes/cats/dogs/police. Actually maybe point a) is the way to go! But then this is from the council who decide to change a 2 way road into a one way system as a trial, then 4 months later announce that they can't afford to commison a traffic study to monitor the effect it has on all the other roads in the area - (total madness if they ever left their nice warm offices!). God, I'm getting old! Even my girlfriend has started to call me Victor! Cheers,
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 05:54 |
I'm with you Victor...the councils do have an amazing sense of humour sometimes...
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B 7 VP
Really Senior Member II Joined: 04-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1115 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 06:19 |
Barnet Council in London, were one of the first to install humps and promoted them as the greatest thing since sliced bread--Deaf to ALL complaints from Residents-Ambulances-Council services-Fire dept, Council replied you wanted something done about rat runs & speed issues. After a year or so, with the fury of the TAX Payers getting louder, the council decided to remove them, and RED Ken said Barnet would loose All grants for other unrelated subjects---its called Blackmail in Tinpot dictator speak, in this socalled democracy country.So the Humps were Removed, improvements were made to other roads in the area,s which increased the flow of traffic--so drivers stopped the Rat Run driving. Everyone happy!!!!!----Except RED Slime . |
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Nigel
Moderator Group Joined: 09-November-2002 Status: Offline Points: 6941 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 06:29 |
The term rat run always amuses me. It seems to refer to the legitimate usage of side roads by taxed and insured vehicles that are entitled to be there, but householders think shouldn't ! On Johns and mine favourite subject of Speed scameras, an offshoot of these lovely little tax boxes, is people who wanted to exceed the speed limit by a few mph on a wide, open A road, with few potential hazards etc etc, now do it on rather less safe b & c roads ! Good for road safety eh ? |
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor Illegitimi Non Carborundum Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 5301 |
Posted: 26-May-2005 at 06:46 |
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johno1066
Newbie Joined: 06-June-2005 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 19:58 |
[QUOTE=Peter Fenwick] According to that report gatsos do cut down the number of accidents.
May I suggest Peter, that you read the following then visit the Safespeed site. http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/search/display.var.522448.0. speed_cameras_fail_to_cut_accident_rate.php http://www.safespeed.org.uk/notso.html Edited by johno1066 |
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micky_h
Really Senior Member II Joined: 17-February-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 798 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 19:59 |
Has anyone ever seen a gatso outside of a school?
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johno1066
Newbie Joined: 06-June-2005 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 20:05 |
Yep,
Am on to one at the moment, mobile, parked on double yellow lines and outside a school entrance. If anyone wants pictures I can provide them!! |
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Nigel
Moderator Group Joined: 09-November-2002 Status: Offline Points: 6941 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 20:06 |
I've seen them on approaches to schools. An interesting little thought for you on gatso's, ( and only gatso's ). Telephone mast : 1.8 Ghz, high in the air , public believes them to be dangerous. Microwave oven : 2.4 Ghz. Gatso : 30 - 33 Ghz, head height ! Telephone masts need planning permision, speed cameras don't. Someone is spreading cow pooh somewhere. Edited by Nigel |
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johno1066
Newbie Joined: 06-June-2005 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 20:07 |
Albeit, the school entrance is not used as it's a side entrance private school and they use the front entrance, the camera is close to the brow of a hill so you're zapped going uphill before having time to check your speed!!
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johno1066
Newbie Joined: 06-June-2005 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 06-June-2005 at 20:12 |
That's a very interesting observation Nigel,very interesting. Trouble is, it doesn't get publicised enough. after all, a third of ALL fatal accidents are caused by "speeding" alone, aren't they?Or at least, so we are led to beleive.
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