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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 08:37
just got back from garage, it is the headgasket, but they seem to think it only has one headgasket? i thought being a V8 it would have 2, very confusing as if its just the one it will surely be cheaper to replace, what now? do i take it to BMW still tomorrow and get there verdict, or just book it in to have headgasket replaced, but surely it its 2 ill need to know which one?? any ideas??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 08:47

Its probably a twin head monoblock type arrangement. This'll mean one gasket for the two heads.

If its single, both heads off I'm afraid.

If it comes down to £500 difference between a BMW job (& assoc. warranty) or an indy, on a £2500 job I'd go BMW. And get a written quote if you can!

How many miles on the '40 out of interest?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 08:52
only 104k, so the headgasket shouldnt even have gone! but not a lot that can be done, why would i need a written quote, just incase they try to charge more?
cant work it out though cos when i phoned BMW for a quote they said it depends if both gaskets had gone, i spoke to a woman first and she said about £1000-£1200 for a new headgasket, then i spoke to a guy who said depends if both have gone but if its one gasket then surely it wouldnt matter, very confusing ...........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 09:17

worrying more like!

a woman, pricing a mans job?!?

he he he!!!

Seriously though it may be 2, I don't know, but you'll be having 80% of the parts off to do one head so not much more for the pair.

I always get a written quote or at least estimate for a big job like that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 12:57

How much is your 740 worth ?

I'd get the dealer & indy to both do quotes. You may find the indy is far cheaper & if your car is only worth say £3k (rough guess), I wouldn't want to blow £2.5k at BMW getting the head gasket(s) fixed.

I've seen late 90's 735 & 740s go for £3-3.5k on ebay from dealers with warrenties, to put things in perspective.

Whick way do you jump ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-November-2005 at 13:18
have had a cheaper quote from BMW dealer of £2k (who said they wont do work with out testing to gaurentee its headgasket at no extra charge and they will try and keep price to minimum)and one from an indy for £2400 so ill stick with BMW, car is fully loaded with Alpina wheels and full BMW service history and ive just spent £500 getting past mot and £300 on 2 new tyres, with headgaskets fixed its worth an easy £5k + (saw a non fully loaded one with slightly more mileage and no sat nav and tv go for £5200) cant sell it as it is without saying its got headgasket problem and who will buy it then???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-November-2005 at 05:01

I didn't realise how economical they were to buy!

Very tempting.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-November-2005 at 09:36
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I didn't realise how economical they were to buy!

Very tempting.....

An older 7 is the best bargain on the market, especially if you're prepared to do a bit of work on them yourself.  An E32 in good condition should be cheaper to run than a fiesta if you include depreciation in your calculations because they can be had for next to nothing



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-November-2005 at 12:53

£2.8k on repair bills.

£2k just to change a HG.

Ouch, I've never spent anywhere near that on a whole car.

You could buy 10 E23/E28s for that!

It just make's you appriciate your Bargain Bangers. You can always buy SatNav from Halfords for £300 if you always getting lost on the way to work, & I never find the need to watch TV whilst driving.

Tough luck mate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-November-2005 at 14:13
Originally posted by Selephant Selephant wrote:

You could buy 10 E23/E28s for
that!



Yeah, and they'd all be worthless rubbish. As matey
says, a 740i with head gasket probs is worth next to
nothing. Spend two grand and it then has a value of
about 5k. All part and parcel of running a modern car,
but I wouldn't swap 100 E23's for an E38. Just a
lovely car and one of the best BMW has ever made.

Whilst it's being fixed at BMW, get them to replace
the thermostat unit and the heater hose at the back
of the heads - these are a right b*stard to get to with
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-November-2005 at 15:21
yeah. only a hundred. why not a thousand. yeah while its in the workshop get them to change the car. for a mercedes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2005 at 03:44
Mercedes are flagging in the build quality dept as well, the number of recent Mercedes owners that are selling their cars due to unreliability is quite staggering. 3 near me, all mid range saloons as well (not sure what they are in ther Merc range though)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2005 at 04:54
your right there ag, eightees bmw models are so well built that in todays standards it puts the modern cars to shame. i personaly feel theres no real difference between the two companies. the big cars of today of all makers can be picked up for peanuts. its a shame that cars have advanced so much that it takes a laptop to fix. sevenfourty, have you tried a engine recon specialist. they would or should be cheaper than a garage or bmw. as in the end bmw would have to take the head there for reconditioning, ie head skim, with new gasket. or even a secondhand engine replacment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-November-2005 at 06:09

If its going to set you back £2k I would definitely go to the trouble ascertaining the exact fault beforehand myself as from what your descibing none of the 'professionals' have done this 100% beyond all doubt. 

To test for a leaking head gasket a gauge can be purchased which screws into the sparkplug hole and gives a read out of the pressure ( compression ) in the cylinder. Do this for each cylinder and if its the head then one or more cylinders will give a reading below the others.

Is there any sign of overheating/Increase in water temperature ?

When a head gasket 'blows', hot exhaust gasses escape and this in turn heats up the water more than normal and hence will show up on the temperature gauge. No increase in temp reduces the chances that it is a head gasket problem.

Are there any signs of emulsion ?

When water and oil are mixed some oil is emulsified. This will show up as a specks of white gunk very similar in appearance and consistency to mayonaise on the oil filler cap.

If there are no signs of Emulsion then the water and oil are not mixing and hence this drastically reduces the chances of it being a  blown gasket, I would definitely then check the compression.

If the problem only occurred AFTER you had the radiator header tank replaced then I would serriously consider 'Buffoon at large' type causes, Caused by ignorant, incompetent and uncaring mechanics not doing their jobs properly.

Have they messed with and or replaced all the HT ( spark plug etc )  leads correctly ? have they tugged them about or oiled them up. ( Oil/gunk on the outside of the HT leads can cause misfiring )

Hope some of this helps

best of luck with it.



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car is being take to BMW on Monday, they say they wont start the work or order parts until they have diagnosed the fault themselves, to be fair another BMW garage (where i got the MOT and header tank) said it may be (without checking or they would charge me) and my local garage did a test and said it was the head gasket. there is no water getting into the oil which is a good thing, i assume the crack is on the outer side of the gasket as when i do use it it just all splurts out over the road. it takes only a few minutes to get to optimal temperature which i think it has always done (cant remember but i know it was always quick at warming up) and doesnt overheat, but as soon as i stop and look under the car all the coolant has leaked out and the header tank cap is hissing and splurting a little out with steam coming from it! the garage i took it to i have used lots of times and they know me there and they did say its the headgasket so i sort of trust them, but BMW said they would check this for free next week before they start the work so we will just have to wait and see. either way i have geared myself up for the £2k bill now, not worth selling as is, theres not a lot that can be done, or is there....?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-November-2005 at 06:04
Sounds very like a head gasket to me. The extra preasure can caulse many problems and leaks. Make sure they replace the radiator cap. Most people/ mechanics do not know that thse cars actually run at a computer controlled 110C (Most cars run at about 85C which is less than boiling) when the engine is under LIGHT load. This means the pressure is REQUIRED to keep the water inside the head from boiling. A loss of presure in the cooling system can caluse a headgasket to blow before the temp even increases even under light load!!!.

Great to hear you are getting your car fixed.

I really do not agree with the attutude that one should not spend money on ones car. Modern cars do not really wear out they just have failures and these things can occur ant any time during their life. almost totally independent of the mileage. As soon as you start defering maintainance and swapping your car for someone elses stuff up you start to loose the benifits of running an old car!!.

Remember the AA/Which etc running costs. Anybody who runs an old 740 should at least be able to run it for less than the new Fiesta cost of 30 pence per mile (15000). So as long as your car is one of the fastest most comfortable best looking cars on the road who cares if you have to spend 2000 on it!! once in a while.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 06:31
Got a phonecall from BMW this morning, heart sank thinking they were gonna tell me all sorts of problems with the engine, but to my surprise they told me it WASNT the head gasket!! very surprised that they were that honest, they said it was the thermostat and cam sensor that were at fault and its only gonna cost around £480 as appose to £2k so i was well chuffed! Thing is i got a BRAND NEW 325ci M sport as a courtesy car and have had it for 3 days and im loving it :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 08:56

Sounds expensive for a thermostat and a cam sensor!

Enjoy that 325...  you're paying for it anyway

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 10:48
That £480 was probably £400 labour & £80 parts!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-November-2005 at 10:51
im not fussed either way, anything is better then £2k!
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